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Post by Kliquid on Jul 29, 2008 10:13:11 GMT -5
I'm not arguing it was a BS call, but it still counts as a loss. A lot of qustionable decisions, stoppages etc but unless overturned they still count. I will never count that as a loss because it was total horseshit. And you'll never hear people who actually have any idea what they're talking about refer to that as a "loss." If Fedor had 3 or 4 losses to his name then people would just brush that loss aside and move on, it's only because he's undefeated that people "don't count" it as a loss. Now I'm not making an argument that it wasn't bull ****, but when the decision is final a loss is a loss. Actually, that's the whole point... If he had other losses on his record, it wouldn't matter; because his record would actually be tarnished. But he has never been legitimately beaten. Ever. Nor has he ever really been in any serious trouble during a fight. You can feel free to call it a "loss" all you want, but the point remains that given the actual RULES, he has never been truly beaten. |
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Post by Boquest on Jul 29, 2008 10:31:12 GMT -5
I definitley agree with Kliquid on this situation, it was a bullcrapcall but I guess since it was in a tournament format, they couldn't have given Fedor the DQ win since the cut was to bad. They should have ruled it a NC, and found a replacement to continue the tournament (ala. UFC 2,3) or something like that. It's to bad something like that is on his record.
...even though I disagree with Fedor never being in serious trouble. He was in a bad spot against Fujita, those major wobbly legs weren't part of his game plan, nor was landing on his head against Randleman. It's just that when something like that happens, he stays calm and looks for a breather, instead of getting all nervous and worked up, just like GSP acted after getting clipped by Serra in there first fight. Fedor being able to stay calm, is a huge part of why hes never been beaten.
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Post by moogie101 on Jul 29, 2008 15:59:49 GMT -5
I'm not arguing it was a BS call, but it still counts as a loss. A lot of qustionable decisions, stoppages etc but unless overturned they still count. I will never count that as a loss because it was total horse ****. And you'll never hear people who actually have any idea what they're talking about refer to that as a "loss." Whether YOU agreee with it as a loss it still stands. Whether YOU think I have any idea what I am talking about, the loss still stands. I personally still believe that Ricco deserved the decision win over Nog years ago in Pride. People here believe that BJ deserved the nod over GSP. That the Thompson/ Kimbo fight should have been stopped in the second round as a stoppage win for Thompson etc. Doesn't change the fact that those are still losses. I'm not saying it was a decisive loss or even that I agreed with the call but you are acting like the loss on his record doesn't exist & it does. |
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 29, 2008 17:56:09 GMT -5
I am in the camp that BJ Penn should have been given that decision victory over GSP, but he didn't. He lost.
... But that's completely different.
You're talking about all of those other things which are decisions by judges, not involving an illegal elbow 15 seconds into a fight. There is absolutely no way in hell that anyone should be given a win in a fight when they perform an illegal maneuver to get the win.
I'm not saying Fedor should have won. I'm saying it should have been a no contest. But like was already said, this was a fight in a tournament and someone had to be the winner even if it should have been a "no contest."
To say that his only "loss" was off of that bullcrapis just a sham. This isn't pro wrestling. Records matter. It might as well have been Kevin Nash and Scott Hall with a cattle prod against Fedor.
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Post by moogie101 on Jul 30, 2008 3:53:05 GMT -5
Yeah Kliquid I remember your feelings over the BJ/ GSP we "discussed" the result when it first happened which is why i brought it up.
As I've said I'm not saying it was the correct call, youy started this by stating that Fedor hasn't lost & my point is that according to the record books he has.
Time to quickly end this subject before you bust me open with an illegal elbow just to prove your point.
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