T-Phunk
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Post by T-Phunk on Aug 22, 2008 0:28:51 GMT -5
Ya see, don't ever say two intelligent people can't work out a difference of opinion. (Extends a metaphoric handshake)
I understand why you have moved away from the collection, although it unfortunately is not in the cards for me. Professional wrestling and yes Jakks wrestling figures have brought me far too much joy on a whole. It is the moments of brilliance that make the disasters like CS Tatanka's torso so discernable. I am glad you get what I am saying now and will be checking out your Alien Predator collection immediately after clicking (Post Reply).
Cheers Mate.
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Post by AdamBomb on Aug 22, 2008 0:46:27 GMT -5
Oh, I am STILL a die hard wrestling fan, I watch Raw, ECW, TNA, Smackdown!, and the NWA Wrestling Showcase (on Colours)... when I do go outta town, I always have a VCR prepped and ready for whatever I'll miss.
I just got insanely into finding old hobby model kits, and hunting for the next new thing of a movie character that I've been enthralled with since I was a kid.
Much like that though, I've watched wrestling for twenty years now (since I was 3, or so my father had told me, lol) and I'll always be a fan and collect here and there. Thanks for being very, very easy to talk to man, and cheers to you too!
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Post by Raoul the Great on Aug 22, 2008 1:03:24 GMT -5
Has there ever been a series from Jakks that the final product was the same as the protos? I think there is always a bait & switch.
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Post by METAL! on Aug 22, 2008 1:29:06 GMT -5
wow those hellboy figures are awesome! 10/10 loads better than jakks. how much did they cost?
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Irish Ghost
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Post by Irish Ghost on Aug 22, 2008 1:52:32 GMT -5
looks like an awesome figure I wanna get Hellboy himself
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Post by heartbreak2008 on Aug 22, 2008 3:16:13 GMT -5
Jakks should at leatt give us a notice if something went rong, like when cm punk comes out in UMF they should apoligise for no pepsi (if there isn't 1)
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Aug 22, 2008 5:00:05 GMT -5
How much are those Hellboy figures?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2008 5:21:36 GMT -5
WOW.. the Wink figure is excellently detailed. Surely puts the Jakks figures to shame.
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Post by WCW-Figure-Fan on Aug 22, 2008 8:55:38 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but you don't understand the toy industry. Plain and simple. You're making an inappropriate comparison that would be just as inappropriate the other way for other reasons. Yet this has already been explained to you and you're still throwing a fit over it.
There are two kinds of companies making toys. Those making them for mass market and those making them for the specialty market. The philosophy and approach of both companies will vary wildly for justified reasons on both ends. Speciality makers are going after the collector's market. They are bypassing kids entirely and investing in a higher quality product from a production standpoint. They know they are making toys that will sell less than mass market, though, so they price them accordingly. As this has developed gradually, toy collectors were able to buy into this reality, especially as the mass market dwindled and consolidated.
That doesn't mean collecting of mass market toys stopped, either. And indeed, mass market makers have stepped up their game as well, though not to the degree with which the specialty makers have. While they've made efforts to serve the collector market, its still not their primary source of revenue so its not how the company is set up. That's not "disrespect" to their customers. THIS is the product they are selling. Its a different product than Mezco or Diamond Select offers. That's all.
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Post by jfinnomore on Aug 22, 2008 8:57:08 GMT -5
Walt, I would agree with you if we had not heard Jeremy call the CS line a collector's line, oh about a hundred million times. If they were "truly great" they could at least put 100% behind that one series. I am not saying Jakks has been aweful. They have provided me with a more complete line-up of classic wrestlers than I ever could have imagined. However there is just no debating that the past few line-ups in their "Collector's Line" have been riddled with inaccuracy and a lack of concern for the collector in general. They are a collectors line... as much of one as a TOY company can be. If you want them to excel at a level comparable to Neca, McFarlane, Mezco, or into the higher echeloned of companies like Sideshow, Medicom, or Hot Toys, you'd wait longer, and pay more. Now, if your saying you'd like the CS line to cost $20+ per figure, and be released in sets of four guys per 3-4 periods a year, I'd say that's pretty much realistic... ...but who here would want to pay that much for them, wait that long, and still 'play' with them? being a collector of McFarlane for almost 8 years or so now, they have just as many screw ups as Jakks does. If you go to their message boards on the site people bitch and moan about some of the lines just as much as we bitch and moan over here about figures.
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Post by skribbel24 on Aug 22, 2008 9:41:02 GMT -5
Wow, talk about dedication to the craft of toymaking and giving back to the consumers. That is all class. Jakks could learn a thing or two from them.
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T-Phunk
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Post by T-Phunk on Aug 22, 2008 10:08:15 GMT -5
To those who have asked these Hellboy figures were only $14.99. Available on TRU.com.
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Post by D-Rock on Aug 22, 2008 11:00:53 GMT -5
2-3 dollars more than a Classic figure and look at the detial. I must say thou, these movie figures and sports figures are catered to a smaller market, much like wrestling toys were back in the eary 90s when Jakks first took over. Whereas now look at how many register WF users there are, and probly even more collect action figures. I myself cant seem to find anything new I want so I'm looking back at older wants. From CS1-CS11 and older BCA boxed sets (like the one in my sig) so until Jakks can put out up to my quality control with figures I will be stuck in my Doleran
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Post by AdamBomb on Aug 22, 2008 13:02:41 GMT -5
They are a collectors line... as much of one as a TOY company can be. If you want them to excel at a level comparable to Neca, McFarlane, Mezco, or into the higher echeloned of companies like Sideshow, Medicom, or Hot Toys, you'd wait longer, and pay more. Now, if your saying you'd like the CS line to cost $20+ per figure, and be released in sets of four guys per 3-4 periods a year, I'd say that's pretty much realistic... ...but who here would want to pay that much for them, wait that long, and still 'play' with them? being a collector of McFarlane for almost 8 years or so now, they have just as many screw ups as Jakks does. If you go to their message boards on the site people bitch and moan about some of the lines just as much as we bitch and moan over here about figures. Pardon my mistake, I forgot how bad McFarlane has gotten in the last 'couple' of years. - But, I'm sure you know what I was trying to say.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Aug 22, 2008 13:48:12 GMT -5
wemm, i've never collected a hellboy figure or even seen one, but i must say that that figure is one off the best i have seen (taking into account star wars, marvel and mcfarlane figures although comparing them is a bit understated) i agree with you that it does inspire loyalty and if jakks puts in the same amount of dedication and hard work then i would have no qualms buying more jakks figures than i do now
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 22, 2008 14:14:44 GMT -5
Remember LJNs and Hasbros? Ok....then just stop complaining about Jakks. Jakks is the best toy company out there. But like any company, they have their faults and make mistakes. World aint perfect. Not sure why you expect Jakks to be.
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Post by Bullet Club. on Aug 22, 2008 15:05:36 GMT -5
yeah jakkes should do that
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Post by nastynate on Aug 22, 2008 15:19:23 GMT -5
mezco is great. but enough of the jakks bashing. thats like saying i want more accurate depictions of my gi joe heads. hasbro doesnt do that crap either, its just a nice marketing ploy on mezcos part. they should have waited and released it when the accurate head was finished. im a huge hellboy mark though, so enjoy the figs!
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Post by plasticsuperstar on Aug 22, 2008 17:33:49 GMT -5
I can't believe people are still blindly defending Jakks! THAT'S why Jakks are so lazy and greedy - because even adult collectors will think it's right because they know no other way. Jakks are a different type of figure company to Mezco but that doesn't change the fact that Jakks figures sell for about the same price so there is NO reason why so many corners need to be cut on every Jakks figure when Mezco figures have all exclusive sculpts/molds, loads of paint apps, loads of accessories etc and they sell for the same, a Jakks figure would cost a tiny percentage of the production cost of a Mezco figure even if they did paint the back too. There's nothing wrong with them reusing molds and having little detail and paint apps because it does suit wrestling figures but it's when they take even more away until the figure is a dissappointment and they do that all the time. It's all because of Jakks' greed, they are a "near billion dollar company" but they "can't afford" to print the back design on a figure?! NO they want EVEN MORE PROFIT. They can't make every figure as detailed and heavily designed as Mezco because they make so much product but they obviously take things away from final figures for no other reason than to make more profit, there's a ton of other unfair tactics they use to make extra money which only results in a lesser quality of the lines/our collections. There are so many idiots that say "don't like it, don't buy it" or "stop moaning" etc when all you want is for managers to be in scale, people actually said that "Jakks can't afford to make a new manager mold" that could've been used hundreds of times. But when I buy a Star Wars figure, each figure has more new molds and paint applications than any entire Jakks series, they often have more accessories than an entire Jakks series and the accessories are fully painted, they even come with a different die cast coin each, with two differently molded sides (similar to the1/500 die cast belts that cost $120 on ebay) and a Star Wars figure is cheaper to buy than a CS figure. Hasbro is comparable to Jakks, they both started off making kids toys and have expanded into the adult collector market and they both make alot of figures, Jakks obviously started off quite small but now they've made nearly a billion dollars off us I'm sure they've expanded and employed more people. Mezco are a good example to use too because they are a small company yet they still manage to make awesome figures that sell for $15 and make them enough profit to keep improving. The ONLY reason Jakks get away with deliberately ruining most of the figures is because of our love of wrestling, there's no alternative so if we want wrestling figures we have to buy Jakks' stuff. And Jakks can do a great job when they want to, their sculpting is great and the reuse of parts is actually a good thing when it works, it's just that extra little bit that they always take away from each figure that is wrong, they would still make as much money by adding all the detail/accessories that were obviously there at the proto stage because more people would buy the final product and not pass on it for being half arsed. Jakks greed has ruined alot of figures and probably cost them money in the long run, a few accidental mistakes are understandable but all the deliberate corner cutting is what makes Jakks the worst toy company in the world.
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T-Phunk
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Post by T-Phunk on Aug 23, 2008 12:01:22 GMT -5
Remember LJNs and Hasbros? Ok....then just stop complaining about Jakks. Jakks is the best toy company out there. But like any company, they have their faults and make mistakes. World aint perfect. Not sure why you expect Jakks to be. Says the man who cannot stop complaining about how the majority of the world agrees that RA is a better line than DA. Your logic is flawed, but once again because you angrily respond to a post without actually reading it all the way through and following the conversation as it develops. Not once did I say Jakks needed to be perfect. What I am saying is that Mezco is doing any extremely noble thing taking responsibility for making a figure that was not good enough for it's valued collectors. I also said Jakks could learn a lesson from that. I find it laughable, that you think it is worthless for me to expect a company that I have spent possibly tens of thousands of dollars on should feel some accountability for customer satisfaction one day. I am sorry that the world has been so cruel to you that you don't think you are worthy of having people doing the right thing by you. I hope one day you have enough good things happen to you that you can start looking at the world with some optimism.
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