Raine
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Post by Raine on Sept 2, 2008 10:41:14 GMT -5
Back in 1996, when I first became familiar with the Kliq this is the order of importance I felt the group held.
1. Shawn Michaels (Current WWF Champion)
2. Diesel (Former WWF World, Tag & I.C Champion)
3. Razor Ramon (Former 4 time I.C Champion)
4. Hunter Hearst Helmsley
5. 123 Kid
But now in 2008, this is my view of the group:
1. Triple H (12 time WWE World & Heavyweight Champion, plus multiple tag & I.C reigns, plus being heir to WWE throne)
2. Shawn Michaels (Multi time World champion, but his 5 star performances, is more what his career has become about)
3. Kevin Nash (Another multi-time World champ, but is more famous for being involved in the nWo's creation.
4. Scott Hall (Lost the plot in recent years, but has respect for being a great wrestler/talker and creating the nWo)
5. Sean Waltman (Multi-time tag and lesser title holder, good worker but was video taping, sex with Chyna such a good idea?)
Anybody feel different?
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Post by Chicago on Sept 2, 2008 10:51:19 GMT -5
No, I feel the list you provided is very accurate for both the past and present.
However, I would also add Peter Polaco (aka Aldo Montoya/Justin Credible) to the end of the list below Waltman, as he was also a rumored member who was good friends with most (if not all) of the key members.
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Post by original on Sept 2, 2008 12:11:34 GMT -5
agreed, it seems like the same order for everyone else - but for HHH moving to the top.
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Post by carly1988 on Sept 2, 2008 12:22:45 GMT -5
In 96 I actually thing the order of "Rank" backstage would have been...
1)Shawn Michaels
2)Razor Ramon
3)Diesel
4)123 Kid
5)Hunter Hearst Helmsley
Simply because Michaels and Hall were friends first, then in came Nash......Waltman was the next and Hunter was actually the "new kid" and odd man out usually...of course thats all changed now
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Post by raz2005uk on Sept 2, 2008 13:44:06 GMT -5
yh, before in that era - HHH was virtually a nobody - even management hated him - hence the reason his squash match against Warrior at WM12 occured.
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Post by †hê Jå§ðñ Wïllïåm§ on Sept 2, 2008 17:55:49 GMT -5
the reason the squash match happened was because of there MSG Incident.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Sept 2, 2008 18:25:44 GMT -5
the reason the squash match happened was because of there MSG Incident. Not true, Warrior squashed HHH at WM 12, Diesel and Razor were still around. |
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Post by Chicago on Sept 2, 2008 20:21:32 GMT -5
The MSG Incident took place on May 19th, whereas WMXII took place at the end of March.
Hunter was likely just an easy opponent for Warrior to squash without there being any longterm ramifications. He was scheduled to win the King of the Ring in June of '96 had the MSG Incident not taken place, so I wouldn't say management hated him at the time.
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Sept 2, 2008 23:44:22 GMT -5
The MSG Incident took place on May 19th, whereas WMXII took place at the end of March.  |
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Post by Raine on Sept 3, 2008 8:32:09 GMT -5
Plus HHH was a more viable opponent for Warrior to face, I mean the 123 Kid vs Ultimate Warrior wouldn't really cut it for a Wrestlemania. Up until January 1996 HHH was undefeated, although he mainly fought midcard guys he was a decent opponent for UW to face. Like it has been said I don't think it was anything to do with Hunter, getting squashed by the Warrior, its just it wouldn't do any long term damage to Hunter's career as was said. Also HHH went straight into a feud with a debuting Marc Mero after WM12.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2008 16:46:59 GMT -5
the big damage for HHH out of MSG was KOTR 96.he was set to win it.he was punished because Vinnie was afraid to punish HBK in case he jumped to WCW.
but we all know it turned out way better for WWF,Vinnie and Wrestling in General that Austin won it.......and delivered THE speech.
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Post by Daniel Bryan Says No on Sept 3, 2008 21:52:41 GMT -5
I sort of disagree. Diesel was always kind of the big brother to Michaels and the rest and seemed to almost be the leader from the stories I read. And HHH came 2 years after Kid and I feel only became a bigger star after Kid was gone and went to WCW for a horrible run.
1995/early 1996
1. Diesel
2. HBK
3. Razor
4. 123 Kid
5. HHH
In 2008 I would say:
1. HHH
2. HBK
3. Diesel
4. 123 Kid/Syxx
5. Razor
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Post by layton on Sept 4, 2008 11:10:30 GMT -5
In 96 I actually thing the order of "Rank" backstage would have been... 1)Shawn Michaels 2)Razor Ramon 3)Diesel 4)123 Kid 5)Hunter Hearst Helmsley Simply because Michaels and Hall were friends first, then in came Nash......Waltman was the next and Hunter was actually the "new kid" and odd man out usually...of course thats all changed now I do see what you are saying how Hall and HBK were friends first, but Nash and HBK were better friends...especially by the time the Kliq was in full swing. I see it 1. HBK 2. Nash 3. Hall/HHH (at times I can see both guys being third in command) 5. Waltman |
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Post by Raine on Sept 4, 2008 11:25:41 GMT -5
In 2008 I would say: 1. HHH 2. HBK 3. Diesel 4. 123 Kid/Syxx 5. Razor No way is Sean Waltman a bigger name in wrestling than Scott Hall in 1996 or 2008. Hall is a legend, X-Pac is pfff! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2008 19:39:05 GMT -5
the big damage for HHH out of MSG was KOTR 96.he was set to win it.he was punished because Vinnie was afraid to punish HBK in case he jumped to WCW. but we all know it turned out way better for WWF,Vinnie and Wrestling in General that Austin won it.......and delivered THE speech. GOD. What a "what if" that is right there. |
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Post by gtm on Sept 5, 2008 9:30:43 GMT -5
do you think they are all still friends now? obviously trips and shawn are but do you think the all keep in contact?
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Post by Sleeping Like An Angel on Sept 5, 2008 9:58:36 GMT -5
The MSG Incident took place on May 19th, whereas WMXII took place at the end of March.  Don't say that! |
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Post by Dwight on Sept 5, 2008 13:00:38 GMT -5
do you think they are all still friends now? obviously trips and shawn are but do you think the all keep in contact? Thats an interesting question. Ive heard that guys like Nash in particular have really gotten sick of Hall's drinking problem and you can't blame him for that since Nash was a big influence supposedly in getting him to TNA a year or two ago. Waltman seems to do his own crazy thing now. But its hard to tell. If I had to guess I would say Hunter,Shawn, Nash are still really close. I'm just sure they're tired of Hall and Waltman's problems so it wouldnt surprise me if they dont really talk at all anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2008 15:34:47 GMT -5
I read that HHH and Waltman still speak and that HBK,Nash and HHH are all on pretty good terms.....
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Post by I LIKE BIG BUTTS on Sept 5, 2008 15:55:12 GMT -5
Credible was also in.
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