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Evans
Sept 7, 2008 19:30:33 GMT -5
Post by axemurderer on Sept 7, 2008 19:30:33 GMT -5
honestly i think evans got in a lucky shot but congrats to him anyways i hope we dont see him as champ this guy showboats way too much Spoken like a true Liddel Fanboy ! like Liddel never showboated by his stupid scream after knocking someone out...thats showboating dude...I dont think Evans showboats too much as you out it..you saw that one fight that he ended up getting ripped by Hughes for, and you wanna say he showboats too much. I gotta say since then he has showed a lot of humility in his fights and didnt do anything I would call overboating or being disrespectful to the other fighter. Dont be angry because Liddel got knocked the EFF out. Not sure, but I do think Liddell can probably beat Griffin. So, if Evans can totally flatline Liddell quickly, there's no telling what could happen with Griffin. Griffin has proven he can stick in with a guy that's terrific on the ground (Shogun) And Griffin has proven he can stand and throw (Rampage) He's so unpredictable and so unorthodox. There's no telling what will happen. And I wouldn't be so sure Chuck could beat Griffin now, or in the past. completely agree, I dont think Chuck coulda beat Griffin either..that man can take a  in punch, and seriously, when was the last time youve seen Chuck try to take someone down ?? exactly, he doesnt..so I just dont see him being able to knock out Griffin..EVER ... But It was only a matter of time before someone dropped Chuck like that. And I gotta be honest, I completely called it. I told all my friends that Evans would win by Knockout, no one beleived me..and he did..won $100.. But im still going to stick with Rashad beating Griffin. Not because I dont think Griffin can win..but I like Rashad and just see him coming out of this fight with the belt. Its going to be a great fight.. |
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Evans
Sept 7, 2008 20:17:49 GMT -5
Post by Mr. Orange on Sept 7, 2008 20:17:49 GMT -5
Axe Murderer: "When was the last time we saw Chuck try to take someone down? Exactly, he doesn't"
Wrong, he took Wanderlei Silva down 3 times in their fight. Watch it again if you don't believe me. Liddell's pose is showboating? And Rashad dancing around and pinching his nips isn't showboating? Liddell's pose is because he's pumped up after a knockout win. Pinching your nips and dancing is showboating.
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Evans
Sept 7, 2008 20:45:59 GMT -5
Post by axemurderer on Sept 7, 2008 20:45:59 GMT -5
Axe Murderer: "When was the last time we saw Chuck try to take someone down? Exactly, he doesn't" Wrong, he took Wanderlei Silva down 3 times in their fight. Watch it again if you don't believe me. Liddell's pose is showboating? And Rashad dancing around and pinching his nips isn't showboating? Liddell's pose is because he's pumped up after a knockout win. Pinching your nips and dancing is showboating. I acknowledged he showboated before..who hasnt ?? he didnt show boat in the fight with Liddel...oh wait, there wasnt enough time....and yes Liddels moronic screaming (its not just a pose there buddy) is showboating as well..Rampages Moronic Howling is showboating..BJs blood licking is showboating..even if you already won and its not during the fight, its still showboating. I simply stated the fact that he has not showboated in his past few fights which shows he has matured as a fighter and is respecting the sport and other fighters more. and okay Chuck took Silva down a few times, but that was completely out of character..Lidell is a striker, and rarely ever shoots for a take down unless he is dizzy from a punch. Either way, he would lose to Griffin. |
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Evans
Sept 7, 2008 21:06:53 GMT -5
Post by HHH316 on Sept 7, 2008 21:06:53 GMT -5
I'll give it to him, that was a hell of a KO, but its not like Forrest hasn't ever been punched before. I'd still take Forrest in this one. I still refuse to buy into Evans
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Evans
Sept 7, 2008 22:46:39 GMT -5
Post by The Canadian Killer Deen on Sept 7, 2008 22:46:39 GMT -5
axe murderer
rashad was pinching his nips in that fight and dancing like an idiot in that same fight then he did his little "omg i had a heart attack" thing after the fight
ill admit im a liddell fan but ill also admit alot of the ufc fighters can beat the crapoutta him all im saying is that rashad ran the majority of the time in that fight
if u wanna continue to argue lets take it to pm's people shouldnt have to get pissed about us crowding up this thread with our little argument
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Evans
Sept 7, 2008 23:24:17 GMT -5
Post by NYdream™ on Sept 7, 2008 23:24:17 GMT -5
Im glad im not the only one who noticed the nips pinching, lol. I found it hilarious! But I was still sad chich lost. I now have a new respect for Rashad Evans fist!
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Evans
Sept 8, 2008 0:50:36 GMT -5
Post by Sandy on Sept 8, 2008 0:50:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry. I know this board is full of Chuck fans but...
CHUCK NEEDS TO F***IN RETIRE. He has become one-dimensional in the way that everyone claimed Tito Ortiz being with his "Slam, mount, and ground and pound" style...Chuck is "circle circle (waste 3 minutes of the first round) make your opponent engage with you and overhand right"...
and everyone knows that now. So it is much easier to beat Dana Whites boy.
Evans deserves the title shot. How a man is lucky on a win I don't understand. Isn't the intention of three months of training to prepare for a moment such as the one that was thrown in Evans face? The whole point of fighting is to submit or knock a guy out right? Evans did that with relative ease and left Chuck on the ground for 5 minutes.
Congrats to Evans, I take him in a fight against Griffin. They have fought similar opponents and Evans has done better in those fights. Rashad is always the underdog...Griffin is always the favorite...so I will go with the underdog.
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Evans
Sept 8, 2008 2:19:51 GMT -5
Post by therealbobby on Sept 8, 2008 2:19:51 GMT -5
Ok i dont know where you get the info that Forrest has a hard chin, he knows he doesnt have a hard one
its well known
But Forrest is a very smart fighter and executes the gameplan amazingly, examples being Shogun and Rampage
Forrest is alot bigger then Shad, Rashad is similar to Rampages style,
but with Greg Jackson in the corner of Rashad, anything is possible
The truth is that Hacklemen and the Pit are not so well for Chucky anymore, he needs to do what the up and comers are, and thats training in many diffrent gyms, he needs to keep upgrading himself and learning new things, if Chuck wants to hang with these new breed of fighters, he needs to evolve himself aswell
its all up to him if hes going to choose to stay the same or upgrade and actually make some noise in the division
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Evans
Sept 8, 2008 2:20:39 GMT -5
Post by DWright on Sept 8, 2008 2:20:39 GMT -5
I'm sorry. I know this board is full of Chuck fans but... CHUCK NEEDS TO F***IN RETIRE. He has become one-dimensional in the way that everyone claimed Tito Ortiz being with his "Slam, mount, and ground and pound" style...Chuck is "circle circle (waste 3 minutes of the first round) make your opponent engage with you and overhand right"... and everyone knows that now. So it is much easier to beat Dana Whites boy. Evans deserves the title shot. How a man is lucky on a win I don't understand. Isn't the intention of three months of training to prepare for a moment such as the one that was thrown in Evans face? The whole point of fighting is to submit or knock a guy out right? Evans did that with relative ease and left Chuck on the ground for 5 minutes. Congrats to Evans, I take him in a fight against Griffin. They have fought similar opponents and Evans has done better in those fights. Rashad is always the underdog...Griffin is always the favorite...so I will go with the underdog. I just don't see Evans beating Griffin at all. Evans biggest wins are Liddell and Bisping (who is now a MW) Griffin on the other hand has beat Rampage and Shogun (2 completely differenty styles, both of which are better than Evans) I think he learned his lesson from the Jardine fight, and really proved that against Jackson. I could really see Evans vs Griffin going the distance, with Griffin winning by unanimous decision. Either way, it'll be a fun fight to watch. |
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Evans
Sept 8, 2008 2:23:25 GMT -5
Post by DWright on Sept 8, 2008 2:23:25 GMT -5
Ok i dont know where you get the info that Forrest has a hard chin, he knows he doesnt have a hard one its well known But Forrest is a very smart fighter and executes the gameplan amazingly, examples being Shogun and Rampage Forrest is alot bigger then Shad, Rashad is similar to Rampages style, but with Greg Jackson in the corner of Rashad, anything is possible The truth is that Hacklemen and the Pit are not so well for Chucky anymore, he needs to do what the up and comers are, and thats training in many diffrent gyms, he needs to keep upgrading himself and learning new things, if Chuck wants to hang with these new breed of fighters, he needs to evolve himself aswell its all up to him if hes going to choose to stay the same or upgrade and actually make some noise in the division I honestly think Chucks best bet, is to move to HW. I think some of these LHW are just too quick for him and move like Welterweights, and he just can't keep up with them anymore. Chuck needs to see new opponents and try to make noise in the HW division. I really think he could be successful there and even beef up the division a bit. Or he could just snor--I won't go there. |
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Evans
Sept 8, 2008 4:03:24 GMT -5
Post by Mr. Old School™ on Sept 8, 2008 4:03:24 GMT -5
axe murderer rashad was pinching his nips in that fight and dancing like an idiot in that same fight then he did his little "omg i had a heart attack" thing after the fight ill admit im a liddell fan but ill also admit alot of the ufc fighters can beat the **** outta him all im saying is that rashad ran the majority of the time in that fight if u wanna continue to argue lets take it to pm's people shouldnt have to get pissed about us crowding up this thread with our little argument Sounds like someone is still a bit sour that Chuck got knocked the hell out. This was Rashad's biggest fight of his career and hardly anyone gave him a chance. Did you not see the poll earlier on in the night?? Only 19% were going for Rashad and the rest were for Chuck. Boy, were they wrong. It can be argued that Rashad was running for the majority of the fight. I believe he was just playing it safe until he baited Chuck in and ing drilled him with a vicious right hand and put him down and out. That wasn't luck at all. He timed that punch to perfection and it certainly paid off. He dropped Chuck like a bad habit. NOBODY has ever put Chuck to sleep like that. I can't wait to see that knockout on a future UFC Ultimate Knockouts DVD because you know they will include it. They'd be stupid not to. Usually it's your boy Chuck doing the knocking-out, but not this time around. "The Iceman" got put on ice courtesy of "Sugar" Rashad Evans. ;D |
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Evans
Sept 8, 2008 5:03:36 GMT -5
Post by NYdream™ on Sept 8, 2008 5:03:36 GMT -5
Ok i dont know where you get the info that Forrest has a hard chin, he knows he doesnt have a hard one its well known But Forrest is a very smart fighter and executes the gameplan amazingly, examples being Shogun and Rampage Forrest is alot bigger then Shad, Rashad is similar to Rampages style, but with Greg Jackson in the corner of Rashad, anything is possible The truth is that Hacklemen and the Pit are not so well for Chucky anymore, he needs to do what the up and comers are, and thats training in many diffrent gyms, he needs to keep upgrading himself and learning new things, if Chuck wants to hang with these new breed of fighters, he needs to evolve himself aswell its all up to him if hes going to choose to stay the same or upgrade and actually make some noise in the division I honestly think Chucks best bet, is to move to HW. I think some of these LHW are just too quick for him and move like Welterweights, and he just can't keep up with them anymore. Chuck needs to see new opponents and try to make noise in the HW division. I really think he could be successful there and even beef up the division a bit. Or he could just snor--I won't go there. I never thought of that. It would be a good idea for him to move to HW IMO |
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Evans
Sept 8, 2008 10:52:01 GMT -5
Post by saveus1 on Sept 8, 2008 10:52:01 GMT -5
it was definetly a big win for evans
but if evans went for the punch that knock liddell out a bit slower
I think chuck liddell would of won because he went for a punch just before he got knocked out that probally would of knocked evans out.
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Sept 8, 2008 12:15:40 GMT -5
Post by DWright on Sept 8, 2008 12:15:40 GMT -5
it was definetly a big win for evans but if evans went for the punch that knock liddell out a bit slower I think chuck liddell would of won because he went for a punch just before he got knocked out that probally would of knocked evans out. Huh? That's kinda the point. When you see an opening, you take it. It just means Evans scouted Liddell very well and anticipated that punch. |
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Evans
Sept 8, 2008 14:49:43 GMT -5
Post by therealbobby on Sept 8, 2008 14:49:43 GMT -5
Ok i dont know where you get the info that Forrest has a hard chin, he knows he doesnt have a hard one its well known But Forrest is a very smart fighter and executes the gameplan amazingly, examples being Shogun and Rampage Forrest is alot bigger then Shad, Rashad is similar to Rampages style, but with Greg Jackson in the corner of Rashad, anything is possible The truth is that Hacklemen and the Pit are not so well for Chucky anymore, he needs to do what the up and comers are, and thats training in many diffrent gyms, he needs to keep upgrading himself and learning new things, if Chuck wants to hang with these new breed of fighters, he needs to evolve himself aswell its all up to him if hes going to choose to stay the same or upgrade and actually make some noise in the division I honestly think Chucks best bet, is to move to HW. I think some of these LHW are just too quick for him and move like Welterweights, and he just can't keep up with them anymore. Chuck needs to see new opponents and try to make noise in the HW division. I really think he could be successful there and even beef up the division a bit. Or he could just snor--I won't go there. Ya that was an option talked about for a while, considering Randy failing in the LHW division and then dominating in the HW division Liddell could possibly do something there, there are people he can beat, like maybeee Randy, but come on, Lesnar has about 60 poundson him, aswell as Carwin, Liddell does do good against wrestlers, but the size advantage is just off the charts I would love to see him fight Big Nog though, it would be nice to see if he could defend such a high level of Jits |
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Evans
Sept 8, 2008 14:51:33 GMT -5
Post by therealbobby on Sept 8, 2008 14:51:33 GMT -5
it was definetly a big win for evans but if evans went for the punch that knock liddell out a bit slower I think chuck liddell would of won because he went for a punch just before he got knocked out that probally would of knocked evans out. Lol ya, he beat him to the punch, Evans is quicker the point is that he timed it better, and he saw it coming, I'm sure Greg Jackson new something like that would happen |
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Sept 8, 2008 14:53:05 GMT -5
Post by gordon on Sept 8, 2008 14:53:05 GMT -5
Chuck would definately beat Forrest in my opinion, im a big Forrest fan but i dont think he has the skills to beat the Ice Man, Chuck got got caught against Rashad and it could happen to any fighter. Rashad is a dangerous fighter and although it kills me to say, he was the better man and deserves his title shot, it was a great shock however due to his massive struggle fighting Tito in which i believe Tito should have won if it wasnt for the cage holding to see Rashad go from that to knocking Chuck straight out. I see Forrest using his unorthodox style to defeat Rashad in a great battle early next year.
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Evans
Sept 8, 2008 17:44:40 GMT -5
Post by axemurderer on Sept 8, 2008 17:44:40 GMT -5
all im saying is that rashad ran the majority of the time in that fight so he pulled a Lyoto Machida and people say that "hes elusive" and "hes so hard to hit"..they praise that guy but guess what..He runs the entire fight also !! Chuck would definately beat Forrest in my opinion, im a big Forrest fan but i dont think he has the skills to beat the Ice Man, . thats what everyone thought about Evans !! and look how that turned out !! |
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Sept 8, 2008 17:48:18 GMT -5
Post by DWright on Sept 8, 2008 17:48:18 GMT -5
I really think a Chuck/Forrest fight would end much like the Forrest/Rampage fight. I don't think Chuck would knock him out, and I don't think Forrest would finish Chuck. Though...I wouldn't be shocked to see Griffin submit him, I just think it would go the distance.
But now, I don't see Evans beating Griffin at all. Griffin has faced great wrestlers, great jits and great standup, and he's been successful.
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Evans
Sept 8, 2008 17:52:08 GMT -5
Post by The Canadian Killer Deen on Sept 8, 2008 17:52:08 GMT -5
all im saying is that rashad ran the majority of the time in that fight so he pulled a Lyoto Machida and people say that "hes elusive" and "hes so hard to hit"..they praise that guy but guess what..He runs the entire fight also !! i dont really like lyotto either lol and to who ever thinks im pissed bout chuck getting his head knocked off im not im just stating my opinion on the fight... ... at least that was what i was trying to do |
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