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Post by voicesinmyhead on May 16, 2023 21:00:15 GMT -5
The tops pick figure I bet my ass is the same as his first elite. Them Stardust figures are sick though. I guess you lost that bet... Rereleases and repaints are not the same thing.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on May 6, 2023 23:29:37 GMT -5
Aside from Stardust, all of 103 will be shelf warmers for a long time. Worst one since elite 80 imo. How was elite 80 a bad set? Killer Viking Raiders, first short-haired Bayley, and WarGames O'Reilly. All great.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on May 4, 2023 21:30:40 GMT -5
Mattel you’ve mishandled this from the jump. Make it right, offer all the figs tomorrow and get this funded! Please stop.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on May 1, 2023 17:23:35 GMT -5
Here is what mattel should have done. $300 for the entrance stage and include Eric Bischoff figure for 5k backers.Then at 6k backers add Scott Stiener, 7k backers Nwo Hogan, 8k Nwo Kevin Nash, 9k backers Nwo Scott Hall Ultimates. The other option i would have done is Wcw stage and elite scale ring for the $400 price and no figures. I have to believe either of these options would have more than 2,174 Backers right now. I am not going to listen to people who say mattel could not do that at that price point. They literally pay there factory workers pennies on the dollar, get real. Lol. All I can do is laugh now at the blatant disregard for everything Steve has said. Steve has been as transparent as possible as to the minimum number required by the factory and that $400 is the cheapest they could possibly go and yet we still get "suggestions" like these. Hilarious.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 29, 2023 12:02:56 GMT -5
I bought 3 of these because - Love WCW - love the lights and scale size entrance - we have all wanted Scott Steiner forever and one never knows if he won't become available later (see Jeff Jarrett and Jay Strongbow! I would prefer to buy just one but believe in it that much that I see the value. It's all about the end game at this point. I wish Mattel would say in the last week ... we would give all figures and entrance for $400.00 if we hit $5,000 because I think it would put it over the top, and to get exclusive figures plus, this entrance for $400 would knock it out. In all likelihood, it would get to 9,000 or more because the game of chicken would be no more. "I don't want to do it unless I can get all". "I don't want to do it unless it looks like it's getting closer" etc ... All that would go away. Then Mattel can reuse the ultimate molds for the figures they make here to create a different paint app later for each one of these over time which would be available to the masses ... because the investors helped kick this off. I was with you until you suggested that Mattel should include all five figures in the base offering. I can’t even believe people are still saying this. I can’t wait until this crowdfund is over (funded or not) just so I don’t have to read these nonsensical suggestions.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 26, 2023 14:27:46 GMT -5
Could Mattel be holding back the true number of backers from us? And they release the real number at the end to see it shoot up? Wow. The theories have only gotten worse...
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 22, 2023 15:56:15 GMT -5
I have to wonder if they had gone a different route if this would have just not been way easier. 9K units is not a lot. It’d be one of the lowest production runs for ultimates overall. If they had produced 9k units of the stage, Rey, Warrior, DDP and Steiner and sold for $400, would that not be a relatively easy sell? More people would buy as they’re guaranteed the 4 figs and the stage. You’d also factor in FOMO because only 9K will ever exist. People would buy multiples because it’d be easier to scalp too. I said in an earlier post, include all five figure's in with the stage at 5k backers, more for your money. Ugh… not again…
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 14, 2023 6:25:24 GMT -5
Find me one company that can make this exact stage at 5,000 pieces and sell it for $200. See, you’re confusing value with your interest. You personally are not willing to spend more than $200 and that’s your choice. However, you would never find an item like this for $200. Sorry. You simply cannot produce 5,000 pieces of this stage and sell it for less than that. Steve said the same himself. You’re letting your own opinion of what you would pay discredit actual facts. If my assessment is wrong why are there only 2,021 Backers with 22 days left. So unless rsc orders a few thousand of these its not looking good. There aren’t many backers for multiple reasons, but I am sure that there are many (like you) that can’t justify spending $400 on a toy. And that’s completely understandable. However, that doesn’t change the fact that the item is still appropriately priced. That’s what OPs post is all about. We aren’t arguing if the stage is worth it to YOU.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 13, 2023 16:40:56 GMT -5
I want to make sure my original point in making this thread is clear. It took me a long time to make, so I may have forgotten some of the points I wanted to make. I’m just looking at the sticker price. I’m not taking into account shipping costs. I understand the overseas shipping is absurdly high for whatever reason. My point is there is no way the stage Mattel is showing us can be made for less than $400 at 5,000 minimum units without taking a bath. If they were running it at 100,000 units maybe they could come down on the price because manufacturers are likely to cut a deal per unit when the production volume is high enough. But this is a limited run item where every piece needs new tooling. But at 5,000 units, Mattel is not going to be getting any volume deals on this thing. For those of you saying it should cost $200, how? I showed you two stages that were $50 with a fraction of the detail and half the size and were manufactured on a scale to be released in numbers that put it on the shelves of stores all over the world. I think you don’t realize how expensive it is to make a limited run item. Maybe you’re confusing a mass retail product with a boutique item. I’m not trying to argue whether or not the item has any value TO YOU. I’m trying to argue why the $400 price tag makes logical sense in terms of the cost to produce the item at the volume needed to fund the project. If you don’t want it, don’t back it. If you can’t justify spending that much, that’s a different story. I never said, “This is why you should spend $400 on this.” I said, “This is why I think the price tag is appropriate for the item in question.” And lastly, I can’t even afford this. I want it, but it’s not feasible for me to buy right now. So I have to pass. But I can still look at that stage, look at the minimum number of orders needed to green light it, look at the price tag, and say, “Yeah, that makes sense.” Agree 100%
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 13, 2023 14:36:50 GMT -5
I am sorry but this is not worth $400, i don't even think its worth half that. I care more about figures than rings and stages, so i may be skewed. They also should have put scott stiener as the first figure that everyone gets. You combine that with the fact that we are in a recession and people don't have money to splurge on stuff. It literally might be cheaper to make this yourself if you already own a 3d printer or have a friend that does. (Minus the figures) It’s worth $200 imo, I just don’t have a need or room for it. I had a friend that was going to go almost half with me and he get the stage and I the figures, depending on if it all got unlocked or not. But he since backed his own and I don’t think everything will be unlocked so I’ll probably back out, because I’m not paying hundreds for a stage that I could possibly sell later but probably not for what I would want to in order to justify a good price for the figures. like if it came with rey and steiner I would at most want to value them at like $50 each so I would want to sell the stage for like $350 shipped and I just don’t know how that would go lol if that makes sense Find me one company that can make this exact stage at 5,000 pieces and sell it for $200. See, you’re confusing value with your interest. You personally are not willing to spend more than $200 and that’s your choice. However, you would never find an item like this for $200. Sorry. You simply cannot produce 5,000 pieces of this stage and sell it for less than that. Steve said the same himself. You’re letting your own opinion of what you would pay discredit actual facts.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 13, 2023 14:32:50 GMT -5
It’s worth $200 imo, I just don’t have a need or room for it. I had a friend that was going to go almost half with me and he get the stage and I the figures, depending on if it all got unlocked or not. But he since backed his own and I don’t think everything will be unlocked so I’ll probably back out, because I’m not paying hundreds for a stage that I could possibly sell later but probably not for what I would want to in order to justify a good price for the figures if that makes sense For $400 you should get an elite scale wcw ring as well, the price is just too high in the real world. $400 is a car payment or rent or food for a month. Thats why this crowdfund is dead in the water right now. There is no way that Mattel or any company could make this stage and a ring and sell it for $400. There’s absolutely no way. You are not willing to spend $400 on it because it seems high to you and that is completely understandable. However, you can’t say that Mattel could possibly charge any less for it. That’s just unrealistic. The recession and all that has nothing to do with this things price. You can say the recession has an impact on people’s ability to purchase it, but it doesn’t change how much they have to charge for it. Anyone that doesn’t understand why they had to arrive at a $400 price point just doesn’t understand how production costs, molds, and limited runs work. And comparing it to a car payment is relative to the person. There are people that spend $300+ on a singular Hot Toys figure or $500 on a Marvel statue. Again, if you think it is too much for you then that’s understandable. But don’t claim that they should be offering even more, especially a ring.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 11, 2023 21:54:55 GMT -5
If you say “We are only releasing this at 11k backers and it includes everything, and if it doesn’t reach 11k none of it gets made.” it’s not getting made. It has a chance to get made at 5k backers with only a couple of backers. I know, it’s just not worth it at that point though No, that’s your opinion. There are some of us that would still want the stage (the main item) even if it only includes Rey.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 11, 2023 21:52:33 GMT -5
You don’t understand how it works. The set group of items IS the stage and Rey. Everything else is extra. With your scenario, the set group of items would be the stage and all five figures for X dollars with 11,000 backers. But if you reach a certain amount of excess backers, then you could produce another (6th figure). It’s the same scenario. You just don’t like the base offering. And that’s perfectly fine. That’s your opinion, you’re entitled to it, and you absolutely do not have to back this if you don’t think it’s worth it. However, don’t say you understand because they are doing what youre saying. They literally established a set group, set price, and set minimum. Stop trying to explain something that I already understand regardless if you think I do or not. I understand Rey and the stage are the base. I understand the extra figures are bonuses. I am not at all saying you’re wrong. My suggestion was to make all the figures and the stage the base, for a set price and a set amount of backers for either it all to be made or for none of it to be made. I feel this would make it more worth it and easier to get backed. People have literally said, “I’m not backing until it hits x amount.” and this is part of the reason Hogan didn’t get unlocked. Rey and the stage are not $400; yes, that is my opinion but it’s the opinion of a lot of others, too. Ok, but for one thing, the crowdfund isn’t for the figures. It’s for the stage. Second, like someone else asked, if you don’t think we are getting to 11,000 then why make the minimum 11,000. That is a high number to make as your minimum for something this large and this expensive. Also, an all or nothing is simply not how a crowdfund works. Or at least it’s missing some of the perks and what makes it fun. Like I said earlier, if you make all five figures and stage the base with a minimum of 11,000 backers, then what do you do if you reach 13,000? Do you not offer the supports something extra? Like Steve explained, more revenue gives the company the opportunity to give us another offering. In your situation, you’d be offering nothing else. What is the incentive to keep going? And trust me, with all the complaints I see in this thread, people would be complaining left and right that there aren’t more offerings. They’d be saying that Mattel is taking all the profit blah blah. The majority of crowdfunds and kickstarts are run this way. Offer something exclusive that most likely wouldnt be affordable to make at retail and incentivize to gain more backers.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 11, 2023 21:35:11 GMT -5
If you don’t think it’ll reach 11k then why the do you want a 11k minimum!?!? Great question!
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 11, 2023 21:26:36 GMT -5
I posted this elsewhere when asked why big toy companies are “raising money” via crowdfunds but I think it applies to what you’re talking about so I’ll post it here and hopefully it’ll clarify things a bit for those willing to give it a read. Think of yourselves in the role of traditional retail buyers. We’re trying to get the buyers (you guys in this case)interested in supporting the item to hit the minimum order quality for this item of 5K units. Minimum order quantity is the number of units negotiated to move forward at the agreed upon rate which allows this to be $400. Going under that number immediately causes costs to skyrocket and would require we increase the price. Going above that 5K allows better profitability and let’s us give that right back to you in the form of more unlockable figures. So we’re not raising money here, we’re trying to secure that minimum of 5K units in demands to be able to move ahead. I understand how it works I just feel like a set group of items, set price, and set minimum backing amount would do better. I totally could be wrong about it but I’m just giving an opinion too basically. I just personally don’t see it hitting 11k and if doesn’t I see a lot of people backing out not thinking it’s worth it which will cause the numbers to drop You don’t understand how it works. The set group of items IS the stage and Rey. Everything else is extra. With your scenario, the set group of items would be the stage and all five figures for X dollars with 11,000 backers. But if you reach a certain amount of excess backers, then you could produce another (6th figure). It’s the same scenario. You just don’t like the base offering. And that’s perfectly fine. That’s your opinion, you’re entitled to it, and you absolutely do not have to back this if you don’t think it’s worth it. However, don’t say you understand because they are doing what youre saying. They literally established a set group, set price, and set minimum.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 11, 2023 21:15:27 GMT -5
By the time everyone gets the crowdfund if it gets funded wouldn't Mattel have released Scott Steiner in either elite or Ultimate form by that time? Probably. But they definitely aren’t announcing one until after the crowdfund. And maybe it’ll be WWF Steiner first. Who knows?
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 11, 2023 21:10:32 GMT -5
They can’t make the stage and all five figures with less than 11,000 backers. What don’t people understand about this? ok then make it 11k backers and it all gets made or nothing does. 7k backers only getting 2-3 figs with the stage isn’t worth $400 That’s your opinion.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 11, 2023 21:08:58 GMT -5
Because 5k gets the stage. That’s what this is..a Nitro stage. Why would we willingly go to 10k minimum?! The figures are just the bonuses because the stage and rey are not worth $400 at a set price and set amount it either all gets backed and is worth $400 or nothing gets backed and no value is lost The sticker price for the stage and Rey is $400. If you don’t think it’s worth that then that’s your opinion and you don’t need to back it. But as many people have explained numerous times, the other figures are EXTRA and can only be produced if they get more revenue from more backers. If they could have give us more figures for the minimum numbers of backers then they would have. This is the best they could do with 5,000 backers. It’s not necessarily about the base price. It’s about the number of backers. People don’t seem to understand that the more of an item you produce the less the production cost would be. That is where there is room in the budget to make more figures. A limited run of only 5,000 is very costly. As you increase that number, the production costs go down. Pretty simple, but people just want more without understanding how this works.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 11, 2023 20:59:34 GMT -5
They can’t make the stage and all five figures with less than 11,000 backers. What don’t people understand about this?
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Apr 11, 2023 20:57:05 GMT -5
Ugh another one… I feel bad for Steve having to weed through these baseless comments. Baseless? I backed two of the u dip I'm saying I hope they add everything so more people would back it Baseless in that you have no understanding of why they need the tiers and a number certain of backers to produce more figures. They can’t give us all five figures and the stage with only 5,000 backers. Not enough $. They need a minimum of 11,000 to produce the stage and all five figures. Just because you backed it doesn’t mean your comments automatically make sense.
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