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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2010 14:09:31 GMT -5
The day it does happen (IF and that's a giant IF it does), I imagine they (WWE) would wait until the last ever HOF ceremony, and even then, it'll be a slow phase in, as in, no televised ceremony, not even an online ceremony, he'll just be in the profiles of the website and hell (is it wrong to chuckle at that considering who's the thread about), his picture may not even lead to a online profile.....it'll just be there.
To make another comment, it's just as bad to not remember/not make a small notice of what he did as a person while either playing as him in a video game, or watching a DVD/VHS with one of his matches on there as it is as bad to bash a person based on his beliefs on the situation, making it seem like you don't deserve to live because you mention Chris Benoit. Maybe even worse, since you're denying someone the right to free speech, only people not allowed that are people who use it as justification for hate speech.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2010 14:09:38 GMT -5
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Post by gordon on Jan 17, 2010 14:15:35 GMT -5
To make another comment, it's just as bad to not remember/not make a small notice of what he did as a person while either playing as him in a video game, or watching a DVD/VHS with one of his matches on there as it is as bad to bash a person based on his beliefs on the situation, making it seem like you don't deserve to live because you mention Chris Benoit. Maybe even worse, since you're denying someone the right to free speech, only people not allowed that are people who use it as justification for hate speech. Are you referring to me? Because if so, I never said you have to think of him as a murderer when you're playing as him in a video game or watching him on DVD. That's when I said his murdering should not come in to play.
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Post by The Boglin on Jan 17, 2010 14:17:07 GMT -5
No, Im playing the devils advocate role. I have my own personal thoughts and beliefs on Benoit and it will remain the same but some of you kids have to quit watching TMZ and then coming on here goin OZMG hez a KUlleR!!! No, I never said "OZMG hez a KUlleR!!!", I said he murdered two innocent people, his wife and his 7-year-old child. All signs point to that being correct. Just like all signs point to Jimmy Snuka murdering his girlfriend. I never said that Benoit did, and Snuka didn't. I was just saying that they are not the same thing. I'm not the conspiracist crackpot here.... why do you keep calling his wife Innocent? what is she innocent of? you have no idea what went on that in house. I'm not saying she deserved to die but I wouldnt use the word innocent.
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Jan 17, 2010 14:20:15 GMT -5
It's the WWE Hall of Fame, you know, a WRESTLING Hall of Fame. I don't think there's somebody that was inducted because they gave all their money to charity. You get inducted because you were over, you are a celebrity that got involved, or because you were a great wrestler, and even if you accept it or not, Chris Benoit was a great wrestler. He is my second favorite wrestler of all time, and whatever he could have done outside of an arena will not change my mind. Seriously, it was declared he made a double murder suicide, but we don't know what happened. Nobody here knows what really happened, and to me, nothing will over shadow what he did in the ring.
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Post by gordon on Jan 17, 2010 14:22:36 GMT -5
No, I never said "OZMG hez a KUlleR!!!", I said he murdered two innocent people, his wife and his 7-year-old child. All signs point to that being correct. Just like all signs point to Jimmy Snuka murdering his girlfriend. I never said that Benoit did, and Snuka didn't. I was just saying that they are not the same thing. I'm not the conspiracist crackpot here.... why do you keep calling his wife Innocent? what is she innocent of? you have no idea what went on that in house. I'm not saying she deserved to die but I wouldnt use the word innocent. What are you implying?
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Post by carly1988 on Jan 17, 2010 14:29:39 GMT -5
why do you keep calling his wife Innocent? what is she innocent of? you have no idea what went on that in house. I'm not saying she deserved to die but I wouldnt use the word innocent. What are you implying? Probably the rumors that she was a satanist and worshiped the devil and was heavily into drugs, which if you're a serious Christian where you let something like Chris murdering people bother you, then you probably should let that bother you as well..... This Im just assuming
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Post by Matthew Stovell on Jan 17, 2010 14:36:37 GMT -5
Probably the rumors that she was a satanist and worshiped the devil and was heavily into drugs, which if you're a serious Christian where you let something like Chris murdering people bother you, then you probably should let that bother you as well..... This Im just assuming The key words there that you yourself typed, 'rumours' and 'assuming'. Benoit killing his wife and child, regardless of how they lived their lives, he took two lives and then his own. His decent wrestling career should rightly be shadowed by the insane actions that happened on that weekend.
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Post by CBT on Jan 17, 2010 14:40:02 GMT -5
I'll never understand why there can't be an understanding... Benoit the wrestler / Benoit the person.
I agree, Benoit's name should never be considered for honors no matter how much time passes, as the stigmata will always exist of what he did.
However, to act as though such vicious, careless, remorseless, selfish, ect.. acts change what he was also remembered for WRESTLING. Well, it's silly to go after people who see him as the wrestler... nobody ever attributed Benoit to a noble peace prize candidate or even a good humanitarian he was an entertainer exposed as mentally disturbed human being. Unless you had the chance to connect with him as a person, there is no reason to go to war against him.
I respect those that see the severity of his actions, but I see it like this... if he was to never commit those actions and instead found himself crippled in the ring to never wrestle again his previous work would still be praised.
Touchy subject, thank god most of my friends don't discuss wrestling let alone care about picking apart this.
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Post by carly1988 on Jan 17, 2010 14:40:31 GMT -5
Probably the rumors that she was a satanist and worshiped the devil and was heavily into drugs, which if you're a serious Christian where you let something like Chris murdering people bother you, then you probably should let that bother you as well..... This Im just assuming The key words there that you yourself typed, 'rumours' and 'assuming'. Benoit killing his wife and child, regardless of how they lived their lives, he took two lives and then his own. His decent wrestling career should rightly be shadowed by the insane actions that happened on that weekend. Well I say rumors because Im not very familiar with the situation, but from what I understand multiple people have stated that she was involved in it. So it goes to the point that at how many sources have to agree upon it before its no longer a rumor?
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Jan 17, 2010 14:41:43 GMT -5
Inducting Benoit into the Hall of Fame would be like giving Hitler the Nobel peace prize. Hitler tried to kill off an entire population of people. Benoit committed a double murder-suicide, not the same thing in anyway. Yes, he killed his wife and son. But go to history class and learn about Hitler. Way, way, way, way, waaaaaaay worse than Benoit.
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Post by Flava Dave on Jan 17, 2010 14:43:15 GMT -5
lol, people acting like the WWE Hall of Fame actually matters.
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Post by carly1988 on Jan 17, 2010 14:48:06 GMT -5
Inducting Benoit into the Hall of Fame would be like giving Hitler the Nobel peace prize. Hitler tried to kill off an entire population of people. Benoit committed a double murder-suicide, not the same thing in anyway. Yes, he killed his wife and son. But go to history class and learn about Hitler. Way, way, way, way, waaaaaaay worse than Benoit. Not to mention the Hall of Fame has to do with wrestling, which has nothing to do with what happened in his home. The Nobel Peace Prize is a political award in which Hitler was not exactly the most politically peaceful person
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Post by ToastMaster General on Jan 17, 2010 15:05:13 GMT -5
Murderers shouldn't be allowed into a HOF of any sort. That'd be like Charlie Manson going into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for his musical abillty.
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Post by chaz on Jan 17, 2010 15:10:33 GMT -5
Nobody can take away the fact that he was an amazing wrestler, one of the best of all time. But by that same token you cannot ignore the fact that he was a cold-blooded murderer too. And by that fact alone, he should never be considered for any type of award or recognition.
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Post by slappy on Jan 17, 2010 15:16:16 GMT -5
He murdered his INNOCENT wife and son. That overwrites ANYTHING he EVER did in wrestling. No, he must not be inducted in the Hall of Fame. End of discussion. Quoted for ing truth.
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Post by E-Noon on Jan 17, 2010 15:22:21 GMT -5
I'm still at the point where I cant even watch a Chris Benoit match. The guy was on my top 10 list of all time but everything he accomplished just didnt seem as important as the murders.Personally it doesnt bother me that people still like him, but imo he doesnt deserve HOF recognition.
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Post by missedgehead on Jan 17, 2010 15:22:24 GMT -5
I agree but sadly it won't happen. Same here. His misdeeds will unfortunately always override his great career.
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Post by slappy on Jan 17, 2010 15:27:57 GMT -5
I agree but sadly it won't happen. Same here. His misdeeds will unfortunately always override his great career. Yeah, It's a shame that murder had to take him out of the spotlight.
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Post by mnm213 on Jan 17, 2010 16:03:28 GMT -5
If this Hall of Fame, of theirs was about wrestling... then Benoit deserves to go in, in my opinion. Whether it be a private induction or whatever. The man worked hard his entire career, he deserves to be honored for his work. And no, Benoit didn't tarnish anything. No matter what he did, no matter how sick it was... Benoit will always be one of the best performers ever. Nothing can take that away.
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