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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Mar 14, 2010 19:38:05 GMT -5
Really? I thought RAW in the summer of '08 was great. It had a lot of guys that were in the RAW main event for the first time ever, or in a while. But there were a main seven guys, Punk, Cena, Jericho, Mysterio, Orton, Batista, and Kane and whenever one of them did something, it had some kind of rammifications on the other two, and then it culminated with the scramble match. How about this: I think since the Orton-HHH Home invasion angle RAW's been down a lot. Summer-end of '08 was good now that I think more about it. Since 2009 RAW's been down and mostly out.
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Post by Stevo on Mar 14, 2010 20:02:23 GMT -5
I've always felt WWE went downhill after about Wrestlemania XX-ish, maybe not so much some the quality is it were the hype. I felt nothing for a lot of Pay Per Views (whereas 2003 was a great ing year for hype and angles, imo). The loss of Velocity and Heat, the failure that a ton of drafted superstars got (Dudley Boys getting ruined, etc), and just a huge malaise in angles. It didn't help that the slightly credible tag team and women's divisions were TORN APART and left for hell. There have been signs of hope, and usually they were far far away from the main event. The tastelessness of Muhammed Hassan, teams like the Mexicools or Cade and Murdoch (both of which floundered in the end), Jericho's comeback, Rob Van Dam and the first ECW revival (which went downhill fast!), Eddie Guerrero's heel turn, JBL warming up to me in the end, and a few others really caught my attention. But there was always Cena's undefeated streak, DX dick jokes, the pointless US and IC title reigns (I DEEPLY MISS Guerrero vs Cena and Booker vs Christian-type angles, simple yet awesome), the horrific events like New Years Revolution 2005, and a lack of excitement overall in most of the product. Now, I honestly feel WWE may pull themselves out of the rut I find wrestling in (though I'm sure others aren't nearly as quick to condemn more than half a decade of wrestling). With a heel Punk, Bret Hart (I'm excited as all hell for him), Jericho in the main event, the likelihood of Christian maybe making waves, the end of an era in the likes of Triple H, Undertaker, and HBK finally slowing down, and the new prospect that a brand new talent could break out at any moment (give any of a dozen guys the right angle and they're set), and wrestling could get a breath of fresh air it really needs.
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Post by hbkrules on Mar 14, 2010 20:25:37 GMT -5
To be honest I don't think wwe has been great since 2002. Sure we have had some great feuds but it seems like there is always maybe one good feud and the rest of the time just crap. There used to be good storylines up and down the cards.
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Post by JCF on Mar 14, 2010 20:39:19 GMT -5
Yeah... I kind of said I'm not blaming the rating.
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Post by davie™ on Mar 14, 2010 20:41:00 GMT -5
2007 was god awful. So if you mean that time, then hells no. My exact thoughts
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2010 20:54:33 GMT -5
Really? I thought RAW in the summer of '08 was great. It had a lot of guys that were in the RAW main event for the first time ever, or in a while. But there were a main seven guys, Punk, Cena, Jericho, Mysterio, Orton, Batista, and Kane and whenever one of them did something, it had some kind of rammifications on the other two, and then it culminated with the scramble match. How about this: I think since the Orton-HHH Home invasion angle RAW's been down a lot. Summer-end of '08 was good now that I think more about it. Since 2009 RAW's been down and mostly out. Either way it's your opinion. I was just explaining mine. The Orton/HHH feud didn't do as much for me as it did others.
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Post by JCF on Mar 14, 2010 20:58:45 GMT -5
I don't get the 2007 hate. We had some epic stuff like London and Kendrick dominating Smackdown, Edge robbing the gold from Undertaker, Orton-Cena, MVP vs. Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy becoming something, etc. I think even some of the whacky stuff like Khali being a champion was still special.
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Post by davie™ on Mar 14, 2010 21:00:36 GMT -5
How about this: I think since the Orton-HHH Home invasion angle RAW's been down a lot. Summer-end of '08 was good now that I think more about it. Since 2009 RAW's been down and mostly out. Either way it's your opinion. I was just explaining mine. The Orton/HHH feud didn't do as much for me as it did others. Personally I thought the HHH/Orton fued was really good but the official match at Mania 25 just blew the entire fued
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Post by Stevo on Mar 14, 2010 21:01:50 GMT -5
I don't get the 2007 hate. We had some epic stuff like London and Kendrick dominating Smackdown, Edge robbing the gold from Undertaker, Orton-Cena, MVP vs. Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy becoming something, etc. I think even some of the whacky stuff like Khali being a champion was still special. Really? I mean Londrick had no one to feud with, Edge only got the belt as a last ditch effort (a cruddy one at that), and Orton/Cena bored me. Jeff was good, but wasn't that the very end of the year? And MVP vs Hardy was great, that's true. For the most part, it was one of the sloppiest years WWE has ever had.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2010 21:19:35 GMT -5
I'm not talking about the Attitude era, I'm talking about the WWE before 2008. There was a time when the rosters, shows, and PPV's meant something and felt more special. I think the product started going downhill around mid-2008, around the time it went PG. I'm not blaming the rating, but I'm saying that after that things seemed to get bad. First of all, the Raw roster right now is a complete joke. You got these guys like MVP, Mark Henry, Evan Bourne, Primo, Chris Masters, Chavo Guerrero, Hornswoggle, etc, who are a joke. There was a time when MVP was amazing in every way, now he's hideous. Nobody seems to be given a push, nothing. It seems like everybody is thrown into matches and means nothing. Smackdown also seems to be a disaster, but at least somewhat better than Raw. I don't know, but everything seems to get worse... I miss ECW too, as that was easily the best weekly show... now we sit through this garbage show "NXT"... which I don't even bother to watch. You sir are a dumbass.
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Post by Scarlet Begonias on Mar 14, 2010 21:57:57 GMT -5
Face it, the fun of the product ended with the attitude era.
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Post by mdf2349 on Mar 14, 2010 22:09:32 GMT -5
I'm not talking about the Attitude era, I'm talking about the WWE before 2008. There was a time when the rosters, shows, and PPV's meant something and felt more special. I think the product started going downhill around mid-2008, around the time it went PG. I'm not blaming the rating, but I'm saying that after that things seemed to get bad. First of all, the Raw roster right now is a complete joke. You got these guys like MVP, Mark Henry, Evan Bourne, Primo, Chris Masters, Chavo Guerrero, Hornswoggle, etc, who are a joke. There was a time when MVP was amazing in every way, now he's hideous. Nobody seems to be given a push, nothing. It seems like everybody is thrown into matches and means nothing. Smackdown also seems to be a disaster, but at least somewhat better than Raw. I don't know, but everything seems to get worse... I miss ECW too, as that was easily the best weekly show... now we sit through this garbage show "NXT"... which I don't even bother to watch. You sir are a dumbass. your calling him a dumbass while your a fan of a drug addict in jeff hardy a guy thaat was fired from wwe cause he refused help for his addiction than went to tna and got fired because he kept no showing shows then after beeing fired from tna went back to wwe and was suspended twice. then less than a week after leaving wwe for the secound time got arrested for having a crap load of drugs in his possession
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Post by davie™ on Mar 14, 2010 22:16:15 GMT -5
your calling him a dumbass while your a fan of a drug addict in jeff hardy a guy thaat was fired from wwe cause he refused help for his addiction than went to tna and got fired because he kept no showing shows then after beeing fired from tna went back to wwe and was suspended twice. then less than a week after leaving wwe for the secound time got arrested for having a poop load of drugs in his possession
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Post by Jimmy on Mar 14, 2010 22:34:28 GMT -5
I would agree that the quality of shows went down in/after 2008. I actually liked the last few months of RAW in 08 as well but 2009 was seriously terrible for RAW. Just god awful. 2010 is better, but that's only because it's hard for it to get worse.
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Post by JCF on Mar 14, 2010 22:47:15 GMT -5
I'm not talking about the Attitude era, I'm talking about the WWE before 2008. There was a time when the rosters, shows, and PPV's meant something and felt more special. I think the product started going downhill around mid-2008, around the time it went PG. I'm not blaming the rating, but I'm saying that after that things seemed to get bad. First of all, the Raw roster right now is a complete joke. You got these guys like MVP, Mark Henry, Evan Bourne, Primo, Chris Masters, Chavo Guerrero, Hornswoggle, etc, who are a joke. There was a time when MVP was amazing in every way, now he's hideous. Nobody seems to be given a push, nothing. It seems like everybody is thrown into matches and means nothing. Smackdown also seems to be a disaster, but at least somewhat better than Raw. I don't know, but everything seems to get worse... I miss ECW too, as that was easily the best weekly show... now we sit through this garbage show "NXT"... which I don't even bother to watch. You sir are a dumbass. Eh, come on. When was the last time any of those guys really looked strong on Raw? And I am a big Hardy fan, but he's an example of a complete joke.
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Post by SMK on Mar 14, 2010 22:57:04 GMT -5
I still contend that the WWE started going down hill when they broke the rule of being as realistic and turned the Undertaker back into the deadman. Then Hornswoggle, then the Spirit Squad. Now it is what it is. I don't watch anymore, so I dont know if it's good now, but it isn't what it used to be.
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Post by TTF4eva on Mar 14, 2010 23:00:04 GMT -5
I think its gone downhill ever since Benoit died. No real storylines (HBK/Jericho was godly, but that was about it), no interesting gimmicks, just plain, bland wrestling.
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Post by The-Rock on Mar 14, 2010 23:11:31 GMT -5
The "Ruthless Aggression Era" from 2002-2008 was great, but it went downhill in 2009 with the PG Era Indeed, it was an amazing era, but In June 2008 around when Punk won the World title, it ended(imo), and became the curent era. And I am not blaming PG, because it was PG since May 2008, and May 2008 was alright, but all of 2009 sucked in my opinion. I agree from late 2004-2008 was interesting. It was no attitude era but it was better than 2002-early 2004. Everything made sense during this era and we had solid feuds. overall that era was just fun. After the draft in 2008, the WWE changed for the worse. It became rematch and repeat city. The emphasis of building up stars was changed to an emphasis on dragging out feuds and only pushing the top guys. ECW became the only show where the old formula was carried out correctly. On Raw and SD! too many new concepts and new people were introduced and it just came off as rushed, uninteresting, and crappy rather than as a fresh start. Storylines have been just completely ridiculous (Big Show/Vickie/Edge).
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Post by Jimmy on Mar 14, 2010 23:12:29 GMT -5
One of the things I miss about WWE is their roster. I liked how even as of 2008 WWE's roster was very comprehensive. I think it hurts not to have Heat and to have a smaller roster where you have guys like Primo and Masters who WWE would seemingly like to push, but they're on the bottom of the totem pole so they job nearly all the time and have no programs with other wrestlers. Here's my approximate list of guys who were employed this time two years ago or were hired and fired since.
Jeff Hardy Elijah Burke Mr. Kennedy Umaga Big Daddy V D'Lo Brown Val Venis Paul London Brian Kendrick DJ Gabriel Deuce Domino Manu Armando Estrada Hardcore Holly Lance Cade Trevor Murdoch Rory McAllister Robbie McAllister The Boogeyman Stevie Richards Nunzio Kevin Thorn Shannon Moore James Curtis Kizarny Ryan Braddock Snitsky Gavin Spears Colin Deleany Chuck Palumbo Tommy Dreamer Kenny Dykstra Bam Neely Hade Vansen BRADEN WALKER Ricky Ortiz Super Crazy Scotty Goldman Charlie Haas Paul Burchill Gregory Helms
Now obviously all of these guys couldn't keep their jobs, but there's no reason not to have kept some guys like Richards or Nunzio around to job or work house shows or whatnot.
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Post by k5 on Mar 15, 2010 0:04:14 GMT -5
it hasn't been the 'old' wwe to me for almost a decade.
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