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Post by Chip on Nov 4, 2010 14:40:53 GMT -5
So I'm reading that the Yankees are saying that they "Don't have enough room for Werth." technically they dont... Gardner, Granderson, Swisher is the OF. Werth isn't going to be a 4th. They've already said the DH spot is going to be used again as a rotation for guys. So they aren't going to want to pay a guy like Werth a large contract to DH/4th OF.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Nov 4, 2010 15:49:45 GMT -5
Jayson Werth is better than anyone the Yankees have in the OF, if anyone would go to DH it'd be Swisher.
But the DH spot is gonna be Posada/Montero/Cervelli in a rotation next year
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Post by carly1988 on Nov 4, 2010 16:13:34 GMT -5
Jayson Werth is better than anyone the Yankees have in the OF, if anyone would go to DH it'd be Swisher. But the DH spot is gonna be Posada/Montero/ Cervelli in a rotation next year They would have better luck putting me in at DH and my avg will be .000 but at least Id use that big ass helmet for something and lean into a pitch ala Roger Dorn Also, RIP Sparky
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Nov 4, 2010 16:46:12 GMT -5
I can safely say, I think the Yankees will stay away from Crawford and Werth, only maybe to jack up the prices for the Sox.
If they deal Jesus Montero, then crap, who knows.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 4, 2010 17:18:18 GMT -5
Werth isn't a DH guy. He's got a big bat and he's good in the field. You'd be crazy to pay him big money to just be a DH. If you sign him, you're going to play him everyday in the field to start out with at the very least. In a couple of years, maybe you move him to the DH spot, but not at the start.
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Post by user9327 on Nov 4, 2010 17:32:34 GMT -5
Doesn't Werth actually have a pretty good arm, too? Or used to?
As I've said in the past, if the Yankees sign anybody besides a reliever and possibly Jason Werth, I'll vomit and I'm a Yankee fan.
If they get Cliff Lee, it's absolutely disgusting and it will just further drive baseball into the ground.
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Post by Quanthor on Nov 4, 2010 17:39:27 GMT -5
Werth is gonna make sooooooooooooooooooooooo much more money than he actually deserves, it's ridiculous. Good player, but 100mil? No way.
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Post by user9327 on Nov 4, 2010 17:48:14 GMT -5
Werth is gonna make sooooooooooooooooooooooo much more money than he actually deserves, it's ridiculous. Good player, but 100mil? No way. The Yankees spending habits and salary cap can be blamed for a lot of players having ridiculous contracts. I wish baseball would just have a salary cap. Even with a salary cap, larger markets still have a little bit of an edge.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Nov 4, 2010 17:52:14 GMT -5
Werth is gonna make sooooooooooooooooooooooo much more money than he actually deserves, it's ridiculous. Good player, but 100mil? No way. Yeah hes gonna exposed outside of Philly, thats why I want Crawford. Id be okay with Werth, but I agree, he wont be anywhere near what his contract will say he is. At Fenway, and replacing the corpse of JD Drew, he'd be alright
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Post by ICW on Nov 4, 2010 18:03:13 GMT -5
Doesn't Werth actually have a pretty good arm, too? Or used to? As I've said in the past, if the Yankees sign anybody besides a reliever and possibly Jason Werth, I'll vomit and I'm a Yankee fan. If they get Cliff Lee, it's absolutely disgusting and it will just further drive baseball into the ground. Oh boy. The Yankees will go hard after Cliff Lee, they've tried to acquire him via trade on two different occassions. Now that money is all that stands in their way, it's difficult to imagine the Yankees losing out on him. If they sign Cliff Lee, that's probably their entire offseason (besides re-signing Jeter/Mo/Pettitte). They MIGHT look into Brian Fuentes to be their LOGGY, I guess it depends if he wants to close or not. And Cashman will likely be active in the trade market, hopefully filling out our bench. I don't see an offseason where we sign Lee/Crawford or Lee/Werth. Just wouldn't be worth it. If the Yankees sign Cliff Lee, that's going to be their major free agent signing.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 4, 2010 18:14:33 GMT -5
The Yankees have the money to sign both Werth and Lee if they want to. They're going to massively overpay for Jeter though. I can't imagine any other team giving him $20 mil a year, but I'll bet that's what the Yankees do.
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Post by user9327 on Nov 4, 2010 18:43:46 GMT -5
The last two posts are good because they take some of the words out of my mouth... with the part about Lee being a major signing for them and also I agree that the Yankees are going to overpay for Jeter. It looks like Jeter's agent isn't going to ignore the fact that the Yankees are already overpaying.... nearly every one?
Concerning Lee, if they sign him I certainly understand why and that they've wanted him for so long. But how many years are they talking about?
I just get concerned that the Yankees don't really look too far down the road. Look at A-rod, Teixeira, Posada, AJ and arguably CC's contracts... those are seriously concerning in the long term, not so much CC.
I just worry that if they sign Lee for a ridiculous length and amount, not only will it just further what I don't like about baseball, but it will also make my team into a bunch of bad contracts in the long run....
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Post by Chip on Nov 4, 2010 18:52:59 GMT -5
The Yankees are taking a "fiscally responsible" approach into the Jeter contract situation as the Captain hits the open market. It's an interesting approach to take with a guy who led the charge to 6 of their 7 World Series appearances the last 15 years.
Consider some of the guys that have come in from Free Agency since 2001 -
Mike Mussina 6 yrs 88M. Jose Contreras 4 yrs 32M. Gary Sheffield 3 yrs 36M. Javier Vasquez - twice. 60M on the tag team of Jaret Wright and Carl Pavano. The remaining 3 years of Kevin Brown's 100M abortion. 52M on Johnny Damon, just to fist Red Sox Nation. They gave Kyle Farnsworth 17M to pitch 4 months they gave Kei Igawa 20M to pitch for their AAA club AJ Burnett got 82M
AND they gave A-Rod 275M to resign, after they said there would be no negotiations should he opt out, had nowhere else to run, and then outbid nobody but themselves in the process. Yet, they can't seem to find the justification in paying the most influential Yankee since Mantle?
I'm sorry, but to say that Jeter won't be a more productive shortstop than Jesus Montero or Ramiro Pena or whatever scrub they could dig up in AA ball in the next 6 years is moronic. He's not going to turn to sand. Not to mention he just had a down year, it doesn't mean his career is over and he should pack it up. For christ sake, ITS DEREK JETER.
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Post by user9327 on Nov 4, 2010 18:56:22 GMT -5
I think Jeter's gotta get a 3 year, 4 year max.
But I can agree with you, it would be a damn shame if he leaves over something like this. He is a Legend, whether it's corny or not. He is this generations version of Mickey.
I think someday A-rod will be more appreciated, but never to the lengths of the above mentioned. But I do think it would be pretty cool one day to see a-rod getting his plaque put in the stadium, and Jeter comes out with grey hair as a surprise to give it to him... much like Dimaggio did with Mantle... who never really were the best of buddies either.
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Post by ICW on Nov 4, 2010 19:11:30 GMT -5
Derek Jeter is a special case. He is one of the greatest New York Yankees of all time and one of the greatest Short Stops of all time; he is the face of the Yankee franchise at the moment. Do I think the Yankees will sign him to a 5 or 6 year contract? No, I don't. I think the Yankees recongize that doing so would be extremely foolish. They'll probably over pay for Jeter but retain him for 2 or 3 years, which is fine by me. I think Jeter has a couple productive seasons left in him and frankly...the Yankees don't have many choices to replace him.
When it pertains to Rivera, I could careless how much the Yankees pay him. He's the greatest relief pitcher of all time and is still producing great seasons although he is showing signs of decline.
With Pettitte, I think he'll be brought back on another one year deal. Before his injury last season, Andy was looking great, hell he was easily our best starting pitcher. Again, I think he has stuff left in the tank.
Finally, with Cliff Lee...I think the Yankees will give him whatever he wants. I don't think he'll get the seven year contract Sabathia got; he'll probably get a 5/6 year offer from the Yankees, maybe with an Opt Out clause. But the bottom line is that the Yankees need better starting pitching and the market after Lee looks extremely bleak.
I don't think the Yankees will sign Crawford or Werth if they sign Cliff Lee. I think the Yankees sign Lee and gradually add pieces to the bench and bullpen. Maybe even acquire a catcher but who knows how the entire Montero/Posada/Cervelli saga will unfold.
And as for the Yankees not looking down the road, Stat City...I wouldn't worry too much about it. Like I said, the Yankees have Jesus Montero waiting in the wings (if they don't trade him). If he turns out to be a DH masher then so be it; we have Austin Romine waiting in the wings to become the full time catcher if need be. Not to mention Gaby Sanchez but he's years away.
There's also the Killer B's in the Yankees farmy system - Andrew Brackman, Dellin Betances, and Manny Banuelos. They're a couple of seasons away (although Brackman could possibly see some playing time this season. He was added to the roster during September call ups but didn't pitch).
I think Teixeira just had a bad season. It happens, the guy was banged up an awful lot. I think he'll have a much, much better season.
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Post by ICW on Nov 4, 2010 19:16:33 GMT -5
The Yankees are taking a "fiscally responsible" approach into the Jeter contract situation as the Captain hits the open market. It's an interesting approach to take with a guy who led the charge to 6 of their 7 World Series appearances the last 15 years. Consider some of the guys that have come in from Free Agency since 2001 - Mike Mussina 6 yrs 88M. Jose Contreras 4 yrs 32M. Gary Sheffield 3 yrs 36M. Javier Vasquez - twice. 60M on the tag team of Jaret Wright and Carl Pavano. The remaining 3 years of Kevin Brown's 100M abortion. 52M on Johnny Damon, just to fist Red Sox Nation. They gave Kyle Farnsworth 17M to pitch 4 months they gave Kei Igawa 20M to pitch for their AAA club AJ Burnett got 82M AND they gave A-Rod 275M to resign, after they said there would be no negotiations should he opt out, had nowhere else to run, and then outbid nobody but themselves in the process. Yet, they can't seem to find the justification in paying the most influential Yankee since Mantle? I'm sorry, but to say that Jeter won't be a more productive shortstop than Jesus Montero or Ramiro Pena or whatever scrub they could dig up in AA ball in the next 6 years is moronic. He's not going to turn to sand. Not to mention he just had a down year, it doesn't mean his career is over and he should pack it up. For christ sake, ITS DEREK JETER. You're letting sentiment get in the way of reality. I think the Yankees recongize that Derek Jeter is an aging short stop who probably has a few good seasons left in him; certainly not six good seasons left in him.
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Post by user9327 on Nov 4, 2010 19:23:42 GMT -5
Jeter was pretty bad last year but in fairness to him, he still smokes Lefty pitching. Although it's common, it's still a credit to the lineup against Lefty's.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Nov 4, 2010 19:25:18 GMT -5
Derek Jeter is going to be barely a average player going forward, you 6 years and 15 million of that, by all means go right ahead
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Post by user9327 on Nov 4, 2010 19:29:55 GMT -5
well that remains to be seen. Do I think he's worth 6 years, no freaking way.
But do I think he can still contribute for 3 or 4 more? Sure.
People have been saying he's on the decline for many years. But he still hit .300 or better in the previous 5 seasons. After his year in 2008 people said he was declining. Then he hit what? Nearly .340 in 2009? over .400 in the World Series JUST a year ago?
Not so sure he's certainly going to be a barely average player going forward. He could still put together a good year at the plate.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2010 19:38:32 GMT -5
everyone knows hes on the down turn of his career and to giving him a huge contract isnt a good idea but its one of those things where it seems to be more than just baseball. you cant make an emotional decision when moneys involved but hes one of the few players in the game whos home grown, did a lot for the franchise and really is their face and as a fan id like to see him end his career with the yankees but like ICW said, you cant let sentimentality get in the way of reality. but with the way they throw around money anythings possible
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