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Post by thelilone on Jan 12, 2011 20:09:42 GMT -5
HEY price is fair.. BUT you cannot say that they are only targeted to collectors when they are a exclusive @ Toys R Us.. true mostly collectors will pick them up due to my 5th grade neighbor Joey has no clue nor cares about Bob Orton! sad but true.. and facts back it up.. my TRU is toms river NJ has had full legends 2packs 1 stocked and they all appear to be there.. if mattel wants to sell more: they can make them ie only, or (prefer this-) add atleast 1 superstar if not two in ea.. Taker from 94, savage from 89, kane from 97, austin from 91 so on so forth i wont complain about THE ROCKERS in all their wrestlemania 5 glory!!!
nor would i complain about the piper & orton but piper & snuka would have been smarter another example i'm happy w/ volkoff & shiek but volkoff & slaughter better BUT STILL guys its TRU many more kids than US..
n e way sum1 from ringside or mattel PLEASE UPDATE me on THE ROCKERS and rest of series 2 legendstwopacks so i can sleep without ambien
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Post by Keck Collects on Jan 12, 2011 20:18:59 GMT -5
There are so many classic teams, that Piper/Orton and Shiek/Volkoff should have never been packed. While Shiek and Nikolai were tag champs, We could make a full page list of actual tag teams who should be in the two packs.
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Post by tonylentelli on Jan 12, 2011 20:19:09 GMT -5
Can't wait for the Rockers and Von Erichs!!! I bet they are out in March.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Jan 12, 2011 20:42:26 GMT -5
I really don't get your complaints about the character selection. What kids are you talking about? These are obviously not aimed at kids. I think the collector market in general for action figures has really taken a hit. I think that is a reason we are seeing the Legends go from 4-6 figures a series. Except for guys like LOD, The Rock, and maybe Stone Cold...I don't see any Legends being really hot sellers right now. If they make the Rockers & the Von Erichs in the same numbers they made the Series 1 two packs...those are going to shelf warm as well. I'm kind of worried about the Legends line right now. My complaint is this: They aren't aimed at kids, but we need them to be desirable to kids because we need them to pick up the slack. Once the collectors buy their Shiek's, Kamalas, and all the other obscure characters....then they sit there because kids don't want them. They need to release more popular characters so that they actually sell. Even if my TRU were to get in new Legends 2 packs, there is nowhere to put them! They are falling off the shelf onto the floor! It's really easy to make the Legends line successful. We don't need every obscure character throughout the history of WWE and wrestling. Bret Hart - tons of attires Classic Kane - Debut attire, 2002 return, removable masks Classic Undertaker - lots of gimmicks, lots of attires Vince McMahon Goldberg Kevin Nash/Diesel Scott Hall/Razor Ramon X-pac Roddy Piper Sycho Sid HBK - they could do 100 attires from his career The Rock - do it again with all his tats Those are all guys who have had WWE figures before and are currently Free Agents or affiliated with WWE. Hawk & Animal need an LOD 2-pack, not ROAD WARRIOR single releases. They could do Razor/Diesel and Hall/Nash 2-packs. We could get an HBK/Diesel 2-pack like the 2 dudes with attitudes pack. Yeah, the Legends line would be smaller and we would get less characters and more guys repeated with different outfits and/or gimmicks....but honestly, different versions of popular guys would sell better than obscure characters or people who are unpopular. I see your point, but that would eventually make things worse. Kids might pick up a classic Taker or Kane, but they ultimately have the current versions. Young ones aren't going to ask for "Legends series 12 Undertaker", they are going to ask for the Undertaker and parents will pick up the cheapest one. Older ones may pick up a Legend Undertaker or Kane, but then they are done. They aren't going to pick up 800 Takers or HBKs (as evidenced by the shelfwarm status of later Classic Brets, Takers, and Michaels). I am damn sure not buying 20 Takers. Some people will, but with fewer figures per series it seems less logical to devote one of the four slots to someone who has been released multiple times. As far as the 2 packs go, their main problem was that Mattell chose a BAD first series. With LOD and Demolition out, those and maybe the Whackers would have made a decent first set. It IS difficult to pay 30 dollars for one 2-pack, but harder when two of the characters have better single figures out, two of the figures aren't very popular, and two of the characters are Bushwhackers. Most kids don't even have 30 dollars, nor would they spend it on the two foreign guys, two of the Village People, or the Luke Gallows brothers". If any kids bought the Whackers it was probably so they could reunite the Gallows family.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2011 20:50:10 GMT -5
Legends 2 packs are a nice idea....but they need to release better characters that will be more popular......Legends 2 -packs Series 1 was NOT a good idea to release those 3 particular packs all at once. They are such shelf warmers and I'm afraid my TRU will never be rid of them. -Bushwhackers? I'm sorry, but once the handful of collectors buy them, the kids are not going to want them, which is why they are sitting on the shelf forever. -Sheik and Nikolia? Same with Bushwhackers. Sheik's individual figure isn't selling either, so him in a two pack with a guy the kids REALLY have no idea who he is, that's not going to sell. -Piper and Orton? Piper should have been an individual figure. The kids really aren't going to be interested in Bob Orton. Plus, as is the fatal flaw with 2-packs....most of the time you don't actually WANT both guys in there. And I don't know that many people can afford $30 when they really only want one of the guys. Maybe we should just stick to individual Legends for now until Mattel can give us Legends 2 packs that will be in demand or where BOTH of the figures are popular not just one. True... but I think Volkoff and Orton were released in the 2 Packs line because they won't be getting single figures. Which is a good thing. You're right... kids won't buy them, and neither will I. But that doesn't mean I want the Legends line filled up with Classic Undertakers, HBKs, Triple Hs... I like having a majority of obsecure characters. Guys like Dynamite Kid, Brian Pillman, Bob Backlund... I'd buy those.
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Post by TyP09 on Jan 12, 2011 21:26:07 GMT -5
most excited for the Rockers!
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Post by kevinandrewc on Jan 12, 2011 21:41:14 GMT -5
I bought all of series 1 for specific reasons: Bushwhackers because I remember them well, and these will surely be their only Mattel figs; Volkoff and Sheik because I love Volkoff's Soviet-era jacket, and I could spring $30 for it at retail (some pay just as much to pre-order single legends from Ringside); and I bought Piper & Orton because I remember Orton, but mainly because I wanted a Piper with ELITE articulation.
I will not buy the Von Erichs because I never watched Kevin, and I'm holding out for a Texas Tornado. The Rockers, however, are essential (to me). Certainly a top 5 want in the tag team category.
I do not foresee this line featuring very many essential tag teams, though, just because it's exclusive to TRU and because the first line may indicate their plans to keep things low-key with repackages and middle card gimmicks (Rockers aside).
If we see a LOD (not Road Warriors) gimmick, Steiner Bros or Hall & Nash, I imagine Mattel will spread them out within the single legends line. Even though they're dropping it from 6 to 4, I wouldn't be surprised to see something like "Outsider Hall" in legends 9 and "Outsider Nash" in legends 10 (not saying we'll get those so soon, just using an example). We'll see!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2011 21:48:43 GMT -5
I don't care what kids buy! Nor should anyone else. The Legends line is fine and it here to stay. Stores have sales you know. I picked up Sheik and Volkoff for 14.99. It just so happened that TRU had another case which sucks but they will put them on sale again. I can't wait for the Von Erichs, been waiting along time for a Kevin and a new Kerry. I have no problem paying 30. I love when people say "make more popular figures"...too who you? Just because you like the Attitude era doesn't mean squat! Wrestling didn't start in the 90's. We need more figures Jakks didn't make period. For instance the Mattel George "The Animal" Steele figure is nice but the real fur version Jakks made is far superior! We need new versions (which we are getting) and more guys never made. I agree aside from Sheik and Volkoff the other 2 sets were not really worthy of being in series 1 but the Von Erichs are just as big as Savage and Steamboat to collectors.
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Post by myaddow on Jan 12, 2011 21:51:58 GMT -5
Depending on who the 3rd set is I'm only getting The Rockers.
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Post by kevinandrewc on Jan 12, 2011 22:01:51 GMT -5
What bobthebutcher said is right on. Even though I don't PLAN on getting the Von Erichs, I'm happy to see them. I watched WWF/WCW from the very late 80s to about 1998. That's a small window of wrestling history. I don't want to feel like I have to buy every legends figure, though I've pretty much done so thus far. I can hold out for a Texas Tornado myself, but I'm not claiming the Von Erichs are "less popular." (I know you're not accusing me of it, just saying.) I'm just saying that I don't like buying and displaying figs (and consequently looking at them) unless I remember their gimmicks or appreciate them based on what I've heard/read.
I just hope this policy Mattel has of making new gimmicks or new legends not covered by Jakks doesn't dominate the entire line forever. A non-camo Slaughter is cool, but I don't collect Jakks, therefore a WM7-era Sarge is still needed for my Mattel collection. This is just one example. I like the inclusion of new or "obscure" gimmicks, but please, Mattel, don't skip too many popular characters just because another company already made them (to a slightly larger scale).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2011 22:07:37 GMT -5
I NEED the rockers.
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Post by plastictaxicab on Jan 12, 2011 22:08:00 GMT -5
I'm guessing there will be no third set. With the (lack of) success of the first series, and the cut back from 6 to 4 Legends in the single lines, I doubt they will produce 3 tag teams per series. I'm hoping we find out at Toy Fair, at the latest.
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Post by Robert69 on Jan 12, 2011 22:08:30 GMT -5
From an average collectors standpoint...I may chime in on this conversation with my two cents a bit, if I may.
I'm only collecting one of each figure form the roster. I LOVE wrestling, I have since I was little. I'm 22 now, but I don't know it's full history. I don't know some of the people they've released in the legends lines thus far other than what my parents tell me about them.
TRUTHFULLY, I would be more willing to buy Nash, Hall, Pac, etc...right now the only legends I want are, in this order, Rock, Warrior, Road Warriors, Jake the Snake, Jimmmy Snuka and Ricky Steamboat. In that order. Axe and Smash are possibilities. That's it. Give me some 80s-90s guys that aren't obscure. Some attitude era figs and I'm all over them. But these incredibly older guys...meh, I just don't have any desire to rush out and buy them. I haven't bought one Legends figure yet. Not one.
Hell, I'm still upset that I gotta buy the 2 pack with Punk/Gallows just to get Gallows for my collection, since I already have a Punk. Those of us that only buy one fig at a time are not as hardcore as some of the rest of you about it. I love the figs, and I love wrestling, but I would like to see some more popular people from my era...
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Post by azraelms on Jan 12, 2011 22:09:08 GMT -5
Price point is fine - no worries there.
What would be interesting is if they did variants on these to maybe make them sell better. For instance, if they were to do a Scott Hall and Kevin Nash 2-pack - make the same amount as they did of series 1 2-packs, but make half of them NWO figures, and the other half can be Razor Ramon and Diesel Or even up the production and make a third version in the red Outsiders attire. If they did that type of thing for multiple sets, these would go just fine.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 12, 2011 22:28:15 GMT -5
Well given the price point for a Basic figure is $9.99 and a 2-pack is $17.99 it makes complete sense that Legends 2-packs are double the price...
The price point is fine though as long as it's two figures I want and would have purchased in the legends line regardless. That hasn't been the case so far given that I didn't even think twice about picking up any of the first set. The Rockers maybe in series 2, but I really just want the HBK. Honestly, if they want to keep them going they should just copy some of the Jakks Ringside exclusives. HBK/Bret Hart Survivor Series pack, The Outsiders, McMahon/Helmsley, etc. It's just hard to hit everyone but if they release 2 sets a series two or three times a year then I think it could be really successful. I would say TRU over ordered series 1 because they don't seem to be moving at all around me.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jan 12, 2011 22:35:31 GMT -5
I didn't mean literally 4 Pipers but they gave us 2 options. Either Entrance greats with kilt, shirt and bagpipes for 20$ or 2 pack legend with just a kilt. Most people saw EG first and picked it up so getting another is kind of a waste. that is why Sheik and Volkoff didn't sell either. You has Sheik in series 2 and people picked that up instead. If they keep releasing them that way people don't care about who the second guy is they don't wanna shell out 30$ for one figure they don't have.
As far as the kids are concerned they need to release colorful characters to sell. Look at all the ones in the CS that were popular and everyone bought. Doink, Warrior,Koko B. Ware,Demolition, LOD, Ric Flair. Also the other things kids look for is unique figures. Figures like Yokozuna, George Steele,Harley Race,and guys like that. Now look at what didn't sell in the CS line, guys like Killer Kowalski,Arn Andersons,Volkoff,Sheik, all plain guys with nothing standing out. If Mattel gives us 2 packs like Demolition, LOD, Rockers, things like that the line will sell as long as they don't release them as singles too.
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Post by "Original Broski" jonjon535353 on Jan 12, 2011 23:02:41 GMT -5
TRU jsut orders too much. They need to order one case, MAYBE two tops of each series, and that's it. -
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Post by BCizzle on Jan 12, 2011 23:20:37 GMT -5
TRU jsut orders too much. They need to order one case, MAYBE two tops of each series, and that's it. - Yet they ordered 0 cases of Basic 4, 1 case of Basic 5, 0 cases of Basic, 0 cases of Basic 7 - at least near me they did.
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Post by albertodelrio64 on Jan 12, 2011 23:37:00 GMT -5
damn, im hyped
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jan 12, 2011 23:43:03 GMT -5
TRU jsut orders too much. They need to order one case, MAYBE two tops of each series, and that's it. - Yet they ordered 0 cases of Basic 4, 1 case of Basic 5, 0 cases of Basic, 0 cases of Basic 7 - at least near me they did. Yeah your right they do order a ton. They don't order them by set they order them by series like Basic series is basic and ppv,Elite,Legends. If they order 6 cases of say Basic they will get the newest stuff until it sells and its time to reorder.
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