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Post by Angel Beast on Jul 5, 2011 19:13:52 GMT -5
Do I believe in God? Yes. But I do believe there's more then one.
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Post by carling27 on Jul 5, 2011 19:14:19 GMT -5
there is no benevolent god. if you think a god is looking after you, then why isn't he looking after the 1000's of malnourished, the millions who are homeless, the child who is terminally ill. if this god has the knowledge of and power to prevent this, then it's an careless or evil entity and you cannot debate that. traditional religion is created by no more than socialisation and fear. we live in the 21st century and we are beyond it. However, I don't claim to know the answers. Existence in its widest definition is beyond human comprehension and for that reason, I'm certainly open to creationism to some extent, or to existence beyond our realm. this is one of my favourite subjects, i must say, i'm fascinated by religion. this is a glorious post. very, very well put. ________________ as for me, i like to think god doesn't exist and deep down i'm sure that's how i feel.. it's just in the back of my mind.. everytime i do something i consider to be wrong i feel like i'm going to be punished for doing it and it's not from some misplaced sense of morality or karma or any of that bullpoop.. i just feel like someone will punish me for doing something bad.. my opinion is up in the air on this and i try to enjoy my life and not worry about things like this. it causes more hassle than it's worth. edit: i would just like to say that despite everything i've posted here i do wish i believed in god.. forgiveness and moving on to another life is much more appealing than rotting in a coffin for the rest of eternity after you pass.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 19:19:31 GMT -5
““Raise your eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one of them is missing.” (Isaiah 40:26)
"Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he that constructed all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4)
Makes me sick when I see people comparing CM Punk to God. It's disgusting, cm Punk is not God, and saying that is a disgrace to everyone who believes in God and or Christianity. You people like that noir guy are bringing up all kinds of problems in this world. If God is always their for us how come for all those malnoruished blah blah.
Let [YOUR] manner of life be free of the love of money, while YOU are content with the present things. For he has said: “I will by no means leave you nor by any means forsake you (Heb 13:5)
Jer 31:28 And it shall come to pass, [that] like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD.
ugh...a topic like this should never come up in wfigs.
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Post by cgj on Jul 5, 2011 19:20:57 GMT -5
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Post by Angel Beast on Jul 5, 2011 19:21:57 GMT -5
there is no benevolent god. if you think a god is looking after you, then why isn't he looking after the 1000's of malnourished, the millions who are homeless, the child who is terminally ill. if this god has the knowledge of and power to prevent this, then it's an careless or evil entity and you cannot debate that. traditional religion is created by no more than socialisation and fear. we live in the 21st century and we are beyond it. However, I don't claim to know the answers. Existence in its widest definition is beyond human comprehension and for that reason, I'm certainly open to creationism to some extent, or to existence beyond our realm. this is one of my favourite subjects, i must say, i'm fascinated by religion. I think they said it best in Futurama Now while I believe in God(s) I can't prove their existence and no matter what Mr. Hawkings says God can't be disproved. You either believe or you don't, simple. If you believe don't force your belief on a person who doesn't likewise if you don't believe don't force it onto those that do believe.
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Post by Boy Wonder on Jul 5, 2011 19:23:00 GMT -5
Well this thread is going to end up going well
But yes, I do believe in God
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Post by bencw on Jul 5, 2011 19:23:15 GMT -5
Christopher Hitchens>'god'
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Post by noir on Jul 5, 2011 19:31:41 GMT -5
@ fullmetaljacket. this quotation doesn't really say much. My point was, even if YOU feel god looks after you (assuming you're christian here), because you prayed and got a promotion/that girl you like said yes/whatever, there are still people out there who are individuals dying. I may not be effected by malnourishment (and I am thankful for that) but I find it selfish for a christian to assume a god watches over them and loves them, whilst they also witness that same god allowing all the suffering to happen around them. Now while I believe in God(s) I can't prove their existence and no matter what Mr. Hawkings says God can't be disproved. You either believe or you don't, simple. If you believe don't force your belief on a person who doesn't likewise if you don't believe don't force it onto those that do believe. Yes, as a strong atheist/agnostic, believe it or not I had an hour or so long debate with my best friend (stronger atheist) about gods existence and probability. he applied the notion of probability saying that there "probably is no god". however, I personally believe that a deity/god, if it were existent, is not measurable by our human knowledge. We can prove the big bang theory and evolution, but the question of creationism is beyond all realms of human knowledge. so whilst I'm strictly anti-organised religion, I certainly won't debate an agnostic because I probably am more agnostic than I am atheist. this is a glorious post. very, very well put. and that my friend, is a glorious username/sig ;D saw him play on Saturday at the Hop farm music festival!! was incredible but yeah, to all saying this won't end well. why don't we try and let it? this is an interesting topic, most of us are grown up enough to have a good conversation. let's see where we can go.
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Post by carling27 on Jul 5, 2011 19:36:50 GMT -5
and that my friend, is a glorious username/sig ;D saw him play on Saturday at the Hop farm music festival!! was incredible i'm extremely envious of that! i've been wanting to see him live for such a long time, i'm only 20 years old so i never had the chance to see him perform in the smiths but i love morrissey and to see that charming man ( ) live would be just amazing.
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Post by cgj on Jul 5, 2011 19:37:18 GMT -5
@ fullmetaljacket. this quotation doesn't really say much. My point was, even if YOU feel god looks after you (assuming you're christian here), because you prayed and got a promotion/that girl you like said yes/whatever, there are still people out there who are individuals dying. I may not be effected by malnourishment (and I am thankful for that) but I find it selfish for a christian to assume a god watches over them and loves them, whilst they also witness that same god allowing all the suffering to happen around them. Well said. Going a bit further with your point about selfishness, I find it amazing that when the Hubble telescope can produce pictures like this... ... theists still believe there is a sky monster watching over them.
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Jul 5, 2011 19:39:27 GMT -5
Do I believe in the conventional perception of 'God'? NO Do I believe there are more forms of life beyond or own? Yes
I don't hate religion per say, but what I do hate is, when they try to convert you, or are oblivious to your opinion. That's what annoys me.
Also, not trying to criticize anyone's faith, but isn't incest frowned upon in Christianity? If so, then you are frowning upon every follower of the Christianity faith, as they believe Adam and Eve were the two first people, so therefore their children would have had to have incest to repeat the human race.
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Post by Scotty on Jul 5, 2011 19:40:13 GMT -5
no.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 19:40:49 GMT -5
@ fullmetaljacket. this quotation doesn't really say much. My point was, even if YOU feel god looks after you (assuming you're christian here), because you prayed and got a promotion/that girl you like said yes/whatever, there are still people out there who are individuals dying. I may not be effected by malnourishment (and I am thankful for that) but I find it selfish for a christian to assume a god watches over them and loves them, whilst they also witness that same god allowing all the suffering to happen around them. What does God accomplish by allowing us to suffer?" Very simple: He's trying to tell us something. By allowing people to suffer, God is showing us that SOMETHING IS WRONG. If everything were alright between man and God, then there would be no sorrow and death, because in the beginning there was none. God is showing you every day of your life that man has been SEPARATED from Him because of sin, and that man is destined to an eternity in Hell Fire unless he comes to God for help. The fact that God allows suffering and agony today proves that He will allow it in eternity as well. www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/suffer.html
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Post by joker123 on Jul 5, 2011 19:40:57 GMT -5
I believe in God, but I don't believe in church, heaven and hell etc.
I have my own set of beliefs that don't really fall under any type of religion.
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Post by Brad on Jul 5, 2011 19:44:34 GMT -5
Yes, I firmly believe that there is a God and only one true God. I believe his son was Jesus and he died for our sins. I believe in heave and I believe in hell. I believe that you must believe in your heart there is a God and speak with your mouth that Jesus died and was raised from the dead.
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Post by Link on Jul 5, 2011 19:46:49 GMT -5
Maybe there is a reason bad things happen to people. Life isn't fair. God doesnt control this world but at times he does intervene. Satan is the god of this world so of course bad things happen. God can certainly look after people but that doesn't mean He will make life easy for everyone. Rather than blaming God for the worlds issues or claiming he doesn't exist. Look in the mirror.
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Post by deskjet on Jul 5, 2011 19:48:21 GMT -5
It's interesting to see where people stand on this topic. I never cared before, but now that I look at things differently, I was curious as to what others think...especially among the WF community.
Food for thought:
Ezekiel 18:19-20 stated "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son".
BUUUUT...
Samuel 15:3 "Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 19:54:15 GMT -5
It's interesting to see where people stand on this topic. I never cared before, but now that I look at things differently, I was curious as to what others think...especially among the WF community. Food for thought: Ezekiel 18:19-20 stated "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son". BUUUUT... Samuel 15:3 "Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." And? Do you not know that their was a reason for this? In my youth group we studied something like this, why does God allow awful things happen to people. It had a reason. Do I remember much of what my pastor was saying? No. Their was a reason this happened, it's not like God goes around just randomly killing people without a reason.
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Post by carling27 on Jul 5, 2011 19:54:21 GMT -5
there's a story from the bible that got removed (from the apocrypha) about Jesus as a teenager where he makes someone turn blind and then kills two people..
no lies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 19:55:37 GMT -5
there's a story from the bible that got removed about Jesus as a teenager where he makes someone turn blind and then kills two people.. no lies. sources please
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