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Post by deskjet on Jul 5, 2011 20:26:49 GMT -5
Actually I can prove he doesn't exist...I doubt you can prove he does to anyone but yourself or your cirlce. And that's not meant to be disrespectful of your or your belief. If it works for you..go with it. I just don't think it's real. Like I said in the beginning. You can believe in anything..to inspire hope, assurance, love, etc...but it doesn't make it true Prove to me he does not exist without stating one of these 1. You cannot see him 2. You cannot feel him phyiscally And now I just broke my statement saying I wasn't going to argue. Ask a muslim, buddhist, christian, hindu to pray for something and see which one gets answered or ask your god to make him self physically present to you and see if he does. A stretch you say? Then why call him god.
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Post by Revvie® on Jul 5, 2011 20:27:49 GMT -5
Then prove A god doesnt exist to me. Ask a muslim, buddhist, christian, hindu to pray for something and see which one gets answered or ask your god to make him self physically present to you and see if he does. A stretch you say? Then why call him god. Yet another debate cop-out...really? So because he doesnt appear for you, this makes him non-existent? Then explain to me the nature of the universe and unless you can...i will claim it does not truly exist...at all. ;D edit:For the record, this is a favorite approach of Dawkins...and it is not what will win a debate. Actually as I tried to state, neither side can bare the burden because neither side has definitive proof.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 20:29:10 GMT -5
But my God does not have to be seen by me or millions of other Christians physically. Thats the only kind of reason you have that he doesn't exist! You have those two i listed, none other.
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Post by spamdfms101 on Jul 5, 2011 20:29:26 GMT -5
Theres no way you can argue if he does or doesnt exist.
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Post by The Champ is Here! on Jul 5, 2011 20:30:46 GMT -5
these threads always end well
I work at a church, i think that answers the question
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Post by noir on Jul 5, 2011 20:32:59 GMT -5
I think the disproving of a omnibenevolent/omnipotent/omnipresent god was provided by deskjet earlier with his Epicurus quotation. I'd also add that, as Revvie said, you cannot claim a universal truth for either side of the argument since there isn't one. however, as a human being who uses logic, fact and experience as far as my tools of judgement - as an agnostic/atheist I have come to the conclusion that there is much more support in favour of no organised religion being true. As I stated earlier, I feel it is simply a question of upbringing and socialization. I am willing to bet that ~90% of Christians were raised that way.
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Post by StingerSplash on Jul 5, 2011 20:33:04 GMT -5
I am a baptized believer in Christ. I'm not going to say much, but to those who say God can't be felt. When I worship, I feel him. When I pray, I feel him. I have seen God work in my life and in others. I believe whole-heartedly.
Like the Bible says: Satan has roam over the Earth. This is the reason that Christians are the most persecuted group in the world. Look it up, it's a fact.
I'm not going to argue, because it goes nowhere. But if you would like to discuss something with me, PM me. I'm always willing to share my beliefs and why I believe that way.
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Post by machoking on Jul 5, 2011 20:37:35 GMT -5
I expected better from this place.
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Post by chumped on Jul 5, 2011 20:37:44 GMT -5
When I worship, I feel him. When I pray, I feel him. I have seen God work in my life and in others. I believe whole-heartedly. At the risk of sounding like an ***hole, let's be honest here. You seeing god "work" is just something happening and you attributing it to "god".
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Post by Revvie® on Jul 5, 2011 20:37:47 GMT -5
I think the disproving of a omnibenevolent/omnipotent/omnipresent god was provided by deskjet earlier with his Epicurus quotation. I'd also add that, as Revvie said, you cannot claim a universal truth for either side of the argument since there isn't one. however, as a human being who uses logic, fact and experience as far as my tools of judgement - as an agnostic/atheist I have come to the conclusion that there is much more support in favour of no organised religion being true. As I stated earlier, I feel it is simply a question of upbringing and socialization. I am willing to bet that ~90% of Christians were raised that way.And you would be on the money as such, but WE as human beings take the best of our wisdom and knowledge and pass it on to our kids. This takes place regardless of religion or lack there of. I know friend of mine that their family has been atheist since back a few generations and they raise their kids as such. This rules out little to me. As far as you taking it all to the best your understanding and coming to the conclusion that you have, well I say that is what you should have done, as everyone should. The bible does not say to foolishly believe in God or Jesus or any other holy text. It states free will and the freedom to choose. I never will deny an atheist his free will...the only time I take a stand is when Opinions and Idealism are listed as factual information... and since I dont think you have done this...your good with me haha ;D EDIT: For the record, I ignored the beginning statement since a mere quote does not sway in a debate. And you stated afterward that prove could not be shown on either side.
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Post by The Champ is Here! on Jul 5, 2011 20:38:04 GMT -5
Ask a muslim, buddhist, christian, hindu to pray for something and see which one gets answered or ask your god to make him self physically present to you and see if he does. A stretch you say? Then why call him god. that is terrible logic. God does not bow to our whims.
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Post by Mole on Jul 5, 2011 20:39:52 GMT -5
Quick question:
If God exists, do unicorns exist?
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Post by deskjet on Jul 5, 2011 20:39:59 GMT -5
Ask a muslim, buddhist, christian, hindu to pray for something and see which one gets answered or ask your god to make him self physically present to you and see if he does. A stretch you say? Then why call him god. Yet another debate cop-out...really? So because he doesnt appear for you, this makes him non-existent? Then explain to me the nature of the universe and unless you can...i will claim it does not truly exist...at all. ;D edit:For the record, this is a favorite approach of Dawkins...and it is not what will win a debate. Actually as I tried to state, neither side can bare the burden because neither side has definitive proof. HE DOESN'T APPEAR ANYWHERE! Anything in our known physical world has a trace back to it's origin...Why doesnt a god? Sure we can use religion, the structure of the universe as traces to but why does he/she/it remain hidden and amibiguous. Either all religion is true( virtually nullifying the existence of any notion of God and verifying that it was man made), or all religion is false..meaning the evidence is unfounded and made up. Absolute truth should be clearly defined. Otherwise, by defintion, it;s false.
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Post by Revvie® on Jul 5, 2011 20:42:58 GMT -5
Yet another debate cop-out...really? So because he doesnt appear for you, this makes him non-existent? Then explain to me the nature of the universe and unless you can...i will claim it does not truly exist...at all. ;D edit:For the record, this is a favorite approach of Dawkins...and it is not what will win a debate. Actually as I tried to state, neither side can bare the burden because neither side has definitive proof. HE DOESN'T APPEAR ANYWHERE! Anything in our known physical world has a trace back to it's origin...Why doesnt a god? Sure we can use religion, the structure of the universe as traces to but why does he/she/it remain hidden and amibiguous. Either all religion is true( virtually nullifying the existence of any notion of God and verifying that it was man made), or all religion is false..meaning the evidence is unfounded and made up. Absolute truth should be clearly defined. Otherwise, by defintion, it;s false. Show me the scientist who said they have traced everything physical back to its root? You provide me with this, I will concede right now. The rest of your logic is failed as it makes not TRUE statements except to attempt to pull a double negative in wording. No serious debate can be made from that, which is why I dont ever see it used.
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Post by The Champ is Here! on Jul 5, 2011 20:44:38 GMT -5
Yet another debate cop-out...really? So because he doesnt appear for you, this makes him non-existent? Then explain to me the nature of the universe and unless you can...i will claim it does not truly exist...at all. ;D edit:For the record, this is a favorite approach of Dawkins...and it is not what will win a debate. Actually as I tried to state, neither side can bare the burden because neither side has definitive proof. HE DOESN'T APPEAR ANYWHERE! Anything in our known physical world has a trace back to it's origin...Why doesnt a god? Sure we can use religion, the structure of the universe as traces to but why does he/she/it remain hidden and amibiguous. Either all religion is true( virtually nullifying the existence of any notion of God and verifying that it was man made), or all religion is false..meaning the evidence is unfounded and made up. Absolute truth should be clearly defined. Otherwise, by defintion, it;s false. you realize if there is a God, He is not going to have an origin, nor will He be fully understandable by us. and all religion cannot be true, as several of them contradict each other.
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Jul 5, 2011 20:46:00 GMT -5
Quick question: If God exists, do unicorns exist? If the answer to the first is no, then second is yes
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 20:46:33 GMT -5
Quick question: If God exists, do unicorns exist? What a dumb statement.
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Post by chumped on Jul 5, 2011 20:46:35 GMT -5
If God does exist then he is the greatest troll to ever exist.
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Post by Mole on Jul 5, 2011 20:47:40 GMT -5
Quick question: If God exists, do unicorns exist? What a dumb statement. Really? Is that because you say unicorns don't exist? Explain why unicorns don't exist.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 20:48:56 GMT -5
I believe in a higher power and a creator, but I don't know if its the "God" that the Bible teaches us. My religious beliefs are crazy, so if you were ever to sit down with me and talk about my religious beliefs, you're gonna be sitting around for awhile.
BTW, this thread is going to end badly.
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