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Post by noir on Jul 5, 2011 19:56:15 GMT -5
What does God accomplish by allowing us to suffer?" Very simple: He's trying to tell us something. By allowing people to suffer, God is showing us that SOMETHING IS WRONG. If everything were alright between man and God, then there would be no sorrow and death, because in the beginning there was none. God is showing you every day of your life that man has been SEPARATED from Him because of sin, and that man is destined to an eternity in Hell Fire unless he comes to God for help. The fact that God allows suffering and agony today proves that He will allow it in eternity as well. www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/suffer.htmlbut in this sense, your god is instilling fear. if he is capable of mass murder in order to prove a point, then would you not agree that it is fair that people do not believe in and also detest the idea of god? Maybe there is a reason bad things happen to people. Life isn't fair. God doesnt control this world but at times he does intervene. Satan is the god of this world so of course bad things happen. God can certainly look after people but that doesn't mean He will make life easy for everyone. Rather than blaming God for the worlds issues or claiming he doesn't exist. Look in the mirror. this is more just my ignorance of the christian story, but didn't God create EVERYTHING. if he cannot prevent these things, doesn't this render him not omnipotent. side note: i've noticed christians are a big fan of the karma feature on WF
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Post by chumped on Jul 5, 2011 19:56:43 GMT -5
I think it's a pretty nonsensical idea. Probably the most nonsensical idea that ever existed. But I try not to think about it too much.
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Post by ebilbryan™ on Jul 5, 2011 19:57:39 GMT -5
I believe that there is some sort of God, but his/her/its actions (or lack there of), I do not agree with.
I'd also like to think that there is some sort of afterlife, and that the human body/form is just a shell that houses the eternal spirit.
My main gripe is with organized religion - the way I see things, the purpose of life is to make your own decisions and hopefully learn from their consequences/benefits in order to have a better life.
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Post by carling27 on Jul 5, 2011 19:58:55 GMT -5
there's a story from the bible that got removed about Jesus as a teenager where he makes someone turn blind and then kills two people.. no lies. sources please i'm looking for it now and will give you one when i find it, it's from the apocrypha, my religious studies teacher told me about it when i was at school.
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Post by cgj on Jul 5, 2011 19:59:37 GMT -5
And? Do you not know that their was a reason for this? In my youth group we studied something like this, why does God allow awful things happen to people. It had a reason. Do I remember much of what my pastor was saying? No. Their was a reason this happened, it's not like God goes around just randomly killing people without a reason. According to the bible, he did just that. www.evilbible.com/Rape.htmwww.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on Jul 5, 2011 20:01:02 GMT -5
There could be a God and a Jesus, but how could I possibly know for certain? And likewise, how on Earth could I prove they/he/it doesn't exist? For this reason, I am agnostic.
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Post by deskjet on Jul 5, 2011 20:01:06 GMT -5
It's interesting to see where people stand on this topic. I never cared before, but now that I look at things differently, I was curious as to what others think...especially among the WF community. Food for thought: Ezekiel 18:19-20 stated "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son". BUUUUT... Samuel 15:3 "Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." And? Do you not know that their was a reason for this? In my youth group we studied something like this, why does God allow awful things happen to people. It had a reason. Do I remember much of what my pastor was saying? No. Their was a reason this happened, it's not like God goes around just randomly killing people without a reason. But dont you think it'd be easier just to kill people without having someone else do it. Don't murder...well, ok, go ahead and murder Or maybe he can pop outta the sky and say..Hey stop fukin around or im gonna kill u? Does that ever make you wonder?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 20:03:09 GMT -5
You are all pulling everything negative out of the bible. You are pulling out nothing positive.
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Post by deskjet on Jul 5, 2011 20:05:27 GMT -5
You are all pulling everything negative out of the bible. You are pulling out nothing positive. Why believe in a partial truth? So u only look at the positive in the inspired, unadultered, word of Almighty God?
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Post by cgj on Jul 5, 2011 20:06:39 GMT -5
You are all pulling everything negative out of the bible. You are pulling out nothing positive. But the negative stuff is still there. I'm afraid that's not an argument.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Jul 5, 2011 20:09:02 GMT -5
Lighten up thread....commence in 3....2....1:
WHERE IS YOUR GOD? WHERE IS YOUR GOD? WHERE IS YOUR F**KING GOD?!
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Post by Revvie® on Jul 5, 2011 20:09:35 GMT -5
I debated on whether or not to post....BUT its hard for me not to since its the single biggest interest that I own up to. Religion, philosophy(mostly existential), and human culture along with science to tie all my thoughts into nice neat knots. That being said, there is not TRUE answer and I will not be one to state that MY TRUTH, is TRUTH like I have already seen stated. With that being said, I do believe in God and in Jesus. WHY? because historically they can prove the existence of Jesus or Yeshua if you want to call him. The fact that he made such an impact and definitive historical evidence to prove his existence does not define how I feel about what we have done with his teaching as christians...which for the most, we have tossed most of what he has said out into the streets and attached onto the old testament...regardless To fathom existence is something I do regularly...its all I do most of the time. I have studied most all religions to some extent and the renowned ones I have study thoroughly...Ive studied the science behind things and quantum physics and so on and so forth and no matter where I seem to find myself or my answers, they lead ME back to GOD or a GOD for those who want to question the definitive existence(or more so the plausibility of). To say this whole universe(and quite possibly others) came to be out of a freak accident is ludicrous in my mind. Then we try to wrap our heads around the idea of a GOD and since we cant understand, most just assumed that its not plausible. I know that atheist will say, (I dont have to prove a negative). This also leaves me blank..if its a negative then what is the positive. If you dont have proof to back either claim then where does that leave us. that leaves us at no true answer, just the best answer that you can come to yourself. And please dont throw out hitchens name...he is an insult to most true atheists. An opinion is all I have to offer and it is my own. "If I am capable of grasping God objectively, I do not believe, but precisely because I cannot do this I must believe." Soren Kierkegaard
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Post by Captain d00m - Mr. 3000 on Jul 5, 2011 20:10:19 GMT -5
Man, I really hate it when religious people shove their beliefs down my throat! Now let me tell you why their wrong...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 20:10:59 GMT -5
You are all pulling everything negative out of the bible. You are pulling out nothing positive. Why believe in a partial truth? So u only look at the positive in the inspired, unadultered, word of Almighty God? Negative I do not. I am going to end this with my final thoughts. You cannot prove God does not exist. You can have your opinions and I will have mine. No matter the amount of proof that he does exist, some people will not believe. It is a waste of time to argue on here about this, so peace.
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Post by deskjet on Jul 5, 2011 20:17:46 GMT -5
Why believe in a partial truth? So u only look at the positive in the inspired, unadultered, word of Almighty God? Negative I do not. I am going to end this with my final thoughts. You cannot prove God does not exist. You can have your opinions and I will have mine. No matter the amount of proof that he does exist, some people will not believe. It is a waste of time to argue on here about this, so peace. Actually I can prove he doesn't exist...I doubt you can prove he does to anyone but yourself or your cirlce. And that's not meant to be disrespectful of your or your belief. If it works for you..go with it. I just don't think it's real. Like I said in the beginning. You can believe in anything..to inspire hope, assurance, love, etc...but it doesn't make it true
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Post by Revvie® on Jul 5, 2011 20:19:06 GMT -5
Negative I do not. I am going to end this with my final thoughts. You cannot prove God does not exist. You can have your opinions and I will have mine. No matter the amount of proof that he does exist, some people will not believe. It is a waste of time to argue on here about this, so peace. Actually I can prove he doesn't exist...I doubt you can prove he does to anyone but yourself or your cirlce. And that's not meant to be disrespectful of your or your belief. If it works for you..go with it. I just don't think it's real. Like I said in the beginning. You can believe in anything..to inspire hope, assurance, love, etc...but it doesn't make it true You can't prove he does. Then prove A god doesnt exist to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2011 20:19:57 GMT -5
Negative I do not. I am going to end this with my final thoughts. You cannot prove God does not exist. You can have your opinions and I will have mine. No matter the amount of proof that he does exist, some people will not believe. It is a waste of time to argue on here about this, so peace. Actually I can prove he doesn't exist...I doubt you can prove he does to anyone but yourself or your cirlce. And that's not meant to be disrespectful of your or your belief. If it works for you..go with it. I just don't think it's real. Like I said in the beginning. You can believe in anything..to inspire hope, assurance, love, etc...but it doesn't make it true Prove to me he does not exist without stating one of these 1. You cannot see him 2. You cannot feel him phyiscally And now I just broke my statement saying I wasn't going to argue.
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Post by cgj on Jul 5, 2011 20:23:11 GMT -5
Actually I can prove he doesn't exist...I doubt you can prove he does to anyone but yourself or your cirlce. And that's not meant to be disrespectful of your or your belief. If it works for you..go with it. I just don't think it's real. Like I said in the beginning. You can believe in anything..to inspire hope, assurance, love, etc...but it doesn't make it true Prove to me he does not exist without stating one of these 1. You cannot see him 2. You cannot feel him phyiscally And now I just broke my statement saying I wasn't going to argue. The burden of proof does not lie with him. You are the one making the claim.
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Post by deskjet on Jul 5, 2011 20:25:54 GMT -5
Actually I can prove he doesn't exist...I doubt you can prove he does to anyone but yourself or your cirlce. And that's not meant to be disrespectful of your or your belief. If it works for you..go with it. I just don't think it's real. Like I said in the beginning. You can believe in anything..to inspire hope, assurance, love, etc...but it doesn't make it true You can't prove he does. Then prove A god doesnt exist to me. Ask a muslim, buddhist, christian, hindu to pray for something and see which one gets answered or ask your god to make him self physically present to you and see if he does. A stretch you say? Then why call him god.
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Post by Revvie® on Jul 5, 2011 20:26:21 GMT -5
Prove to me he does not exist without stating one of these 1. You cannot see him 2. You cannot feel him phyiscally And now I just broke my statement saying I wasn't going to argue. The burden of proof does not lie with him. You are the one making the claim. I love this Atheist cop-out response. Proof is reliant on both sides, not just one. Unless you can unravel said universe and explain it to me in full detail then you have failed to meet your burden of proof. On the same right, I cannot meet mine either... which is why I stated it was based on a person opinion of life and not a definitive truth for either side...which is why this debate will never end: ever. Those who know the truth tale no tales.
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