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Post by kimberlysghost on Aug 21, 2011 4:23:07 GMT -5
Just found this on ebay. www.EBAY LINK NOT ALLOWED/itm/OWEN-HART-SIGNED-WWE-OTE-1999-TICKET-Day-his-Death-/180710292042?_trksid=p5197.m1374&_trkparms=algo%3DPI.WATCH%26otn%3D8%26po%3DLCA%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D2214176425863197702#ht_934wt_932
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Aug 21, 2011 5:23:16 GMT -5
The ambulance would not have made a bit of difference. Everything I've read says Owen died pretty much right after impact. In Mick Foley's book "Foley Is Good", he said that J.R. recalled Owen moving, as if he were doing sit-ups, and then he fell back down and never moved after that point. RIP Owen. I remember reading this as well. The sitting up motion was most likely the momentum carrying through.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2011 5:56:27 GMT -5
Anyone have video of how he die? I have never seen how he die.
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Post by threehgame on Aug 21, 2011 6:43:18 GMT -5
Sting did an interview a few years ago (around the time his book/film about finding God was released) in which he talked about the first time he repelled from an arena catwalk. He said they tested it and he was confident, but when the moment came he said the area noise was so loud he couldn't hear the people rigging him which were right next to him, and as he was read to drop down they stopped him because the lines were hooked up backwards. They had to stop and re-line the harness otherwise he would have fallen.
Judging from that it seems the entire entrance from then on should have either scrapped in wrestling or they needed to create a safer easier to hook harness that could have prevented that from happening considering both WCW and WWF were supposedly using experienced people. But as Sting said the crowd noise seems to rise to the top of the building and it makes everything you do up there so much harder.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Aug 21, 2011 7:10:55 GMT -5
So tragic...and could have been so easily avoided...couldn't imagine being in that live crowd and witnessing that.
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Post by chaz on Aug 21, 2011 7:36:56 GMT -5
1) Owen's job was on the line. He had already turned down storylines he didn't agree w/, and Vince wasn't taking no for an answer this time. W/ Bret gone, Owen had nobody to back him up on his refusal to do the stunt. McMahon might as well have had a gun to Owen's head. 2) You clearly didn't understand my previous post. When Sting decended from the rafters, he always had a back-up harness on and never had a quick release on it. WCW made sure Sting was safe. From what I've heard and read, a few people have stated that McMahon and Russo wanted Owen to fall out of the harness a few feet above the ring as a joke, but no human harness was designed for this. The harness Owen used wasn't even meant for a human, it was meant for sail boats. Vince was turned down by numerous stunt experts until somebody finally argeed to do it. Owen's safety obviously wasn't the #1 thing on McMahon's mind. The harness' that Sting and Owen used were two totally different things. Owen had options. He had a brother in a rival company that would have taken Owen in faster than Bischoff could snap his fingers. Also, he was supposedly nearing retirement from wrestling, so what if it came a few months/a year early? Owen had options outside of wrestling too and plenty of money. He was very well known for being smart with his money and saving the majority of it for when he got out of wrestling. So no, still no gun to Owen's head to do this. As for your second point, I completely agree with what you're saying about the harness. It is very likely it was faulty, but it's also as likely that Owen triggered the release himself by accident. This is the version Martha Hart herself presented. She believes Owen triggered it by moving around in the harness to get comfortable. However, you can't claim that one stunt is safe while the other isn't. It's the same stunt! If anything, blame the equipment or the person performing it. Again, I don't think Vince is responsible for the equipment brought in, for the test runs of the stunt. He may own the company but he doesn't (and can't) oversee everything. There's no doubt he had some involvement but it's absolutely ridiculous and unfair to place the blame entirely on Vince.
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Post by done on Aug 21, 2011 9:08:02 GMT -5
Just found this on ebay. www.EBAY LINK NOT ALLOWED/itm/OWEN-HART-SIGNED-WWE-OTE-1999-TICKET-Day-his-Death-/180710292042?_trksid=p5197.m1374&_trkparms=algo%3DPI.WATCH%26otn%3D8%26po%3DLCA%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D2214176425863197702#ht_934wt_932 So that must of been the last thing he ever signed, wow!
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Post by done on Aug 21, 2011 9:26:51 GMT -5
This is where I got what they said about the Sting gimmick. And yeah he did turn down a couple of feuds and that's what lead to this. One of the feuds was for him to have an affair with Debra but he turned that down.
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 21, 2011 13:00:15 GMT -5
1) Owen's job was on the line. He had already turned down storylines he didn't agree w/, and Vince wasn't taking no for an answer this time. W/ Bret gone, Owen had nobody to back him up on his refusal to do the stunt. McMahon might as well have had a gun to Owen's head. 2) You clearly didn't understand my previous post. When Sting decended from the rafters, he always had a back-up harness on and never had a quick release on it. WCW made sure Sting was safe. From what I've heard and read, a few people have stated that McMahon and Russo wanted Owen to fall out of the harness a few feet above the ring as a joke, but no human harness was designed for this. The harness Owen used wasn't even meant for a human, it was meant for sail boats. Vince was turned down by numerous stunt experts until somebody finally argeed to do it. Owen's safety obviously wasn't the #1 thing on McMahon's mind. The harness' that Sting and Owen used were two totally different things. Owen had options. He had a brother in a rival company that would have taken Owen in faster than Bischoff could snap his fingers. Also, he was supposedly nearing retirement from wrestling, so what if it came a few months/a year early? Owen had options outside of wrestling too and plenty of money. He was very well known for being smart with his money and saving the majority of it for when he got out of wrestling. So no, still no gun to Owen's head to do this. As for your second point, I completely agree with what you're saying about the harness. It is very likely it was faulty, but it's also as likely that Owen triggered the release himself by accident. This is the version Martha Hart herself presented. She believes Owen triggered it by moving around in the harness to get comfortable. However, you can't claim that one stunt is safe while the other isn't. It's the same stunt! If anything, blame the equipment or the person performing it. Again, I don't think Vince is responsible for the equipment brought in, for the test runs of the stunt. He may own the company but he doesn't (and can't) oversee everything. There's no doubt he had some involvement but it's absolutely ridiculous and unfair to place the blame entirely on Vince. I believe it was in Bret's book where he stated that Owen was still paying off his house and that Bischoff made no guaruntees about paying Owen the same amount he was making in the WWF, or if he'd even hire him at all. There was no guaruntee that WCW would have taken Owen, but it is pretty clear that Vince was already upset w/ Owen and wasn't going to take no for an answer. For Owen, it was probably either do the stunt to put food on the table for his family or loose his job w/ no guaruntee's at getting another one. I know that it was the same stunt, but Sting and Owen were wearing two completly different harnesses. Sting was wearing a harness designed to support a human, while Owen was wearing a harness that was designed for sail boats. Owen should have never had a quick release to begin w/, let alone been in the harness at all. It has been said by a few people that McMahon was turned down by quite a few stunt "experts" before finding somebody to do the stunt. Was it all McMahon's fault? No, it wasn't, but IMO, he should take most of the blame for forcing the stunt to be done.
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Post by candygallows on Aug 21, 2011 14:51:19 GMT -5
Kinda off the topic of the on going argument, but for those of you interested in Owen, I recommend the Owen documentary that comes with the Wrestling With Shadows dvd. It's excellent
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Post by Underfaker666 on Aug 22, 2011 8:18:42 GMT -5
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Post by done on Aug 22, 2011 8:26:48 GMT -5
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Aug 22, 2011 8:57:31 GMT -5
I just wanted to say, that the same stunt had happened a little over a month before, back at WM the same stunt happened with 3 guys, so its not like anyone had any reason to believe an accident could or would have happened.
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Post by kane9155 on Aug 23, 2011 0:24:02 GMT -5
R.I.P owen hart.
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Post by Mr. K.O on Aug 23, 2011 0:45:08 GMT -5
Anyone have video of how he die? I have never seen how he die. Why would you want to?
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Post by vertan on Aug 23, 2011 9:09:18 GMT -5
I remember when he died and watching the next night on RAW. As a young kid that was pretty emotional to see all of your heroes tear up. It was really the first time in my life I experienced any kind of death really.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2011 10:01:43 GMT -5
www.EBAY LINK NOT ALLOWED.uk/itm/OWEN-HART-SIGNED-WWE-OTE-1999-TICKET-Day-his-Death-/180714753636?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a13704e64#ht_934wt_932
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Post by done on Aug 26, 2011 14:06:22 GMT -5
www.EBAY LINK NOT ALLOWED.uk/itm/OWEN-HART-SIGNED-WWE-OTE-1999-TICKET-Day-his-Death-/180714753636?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a13704e64#ht_934wt_932 Didn't kim post this already? Sad though. R.I.P Owen Hart.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 26, 2011 15:02:31 GMT -5
Saddest day in WWE history. Yeah I was a big fan of Owen, Bret, and the Hart family. My 7 year old son Owen is proof of that.
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Post by rob29 on Mar 5, 2017 17:44:25 GMT -5
A while back i read something that surrounded the owen fall thing, and to be honest it doesnt shock me Vince had basically forced owen to do the stunt, as at survivor series 98 dark match anyway owen didnt like the equipment and did not want to perform the stunt again. So anyway that night in the arena owen was supposed to do a 'test run' with the equipment but in typical owen style he slipped away and stayed in the back. Vince still wanted him to do this as he was going to win the ic belt and fued with edge, that would of been great to watch, so sad selfish vince strikes again. I really wish i could find the link or if someone else could add to this would be great, I had the ppv on copy dvd for some time with raw is owen on it is sad to watch even now. RIP OWEN HART This is actually one of the reason why I have a bitter taste in my mouth about Vince. If the ScrewJob never happened both Bulldog and Owen wouldn't of died( because Bulldog would of never of gone to WCW and broken his back, plus Bret would of convinced Vince and Owen not to do it at all) It would of been a great feud In my opinion. Also I think they faced once or twice, they faced each other at Breakdown or something like that and they were gonna have a match before but Owen retired because of what he done to Dan Severn. Does any body know or even have the match but Edge said on RAW is OWEN that him and Christian faced Owen and Jarrett. I would love to see that match. The Bulldog going to WCW had nothing to do with his death - Davey died from a heart attack in 2002, which was brought on from years of steroid abuse, it's exactly what killed Hercules and the ultimate warrior - the overuse of roids' causes a very weak heart muscle.
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