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Post by done on Aug 19, 2011 13:51:50 GMT -5
I know it's another thread about Owen Hart and his death (please don't make this end up into a terrible argument) but I've been searching around about it. And I don't want this thread to be locked, to be honest. Some parts of this you may find disturbing... I've found some comments on youtube with people stating things like this happened: "The Rock says in his book that he was backstage when Owen fell, then someone came through the door and told him something had happened to Owen, he went to the curtain area and looked down the ramp and he asked Vince if he could go down to see Owen but Vince said it would be best not to just incase people thought The Rock was coming out to save the day and it was part of a storyline, then Owen went past Rock when they took him backstage" ''Actually after Owen fell, the EMT's wanted to use THAT exact Ambulance to take him to the hospital and they told them to wait for another ambulance to arive because they were using that one to film this stupid f***** scene.'' "wow...... I heard that in Bret Hart's book he said that The Rock had tried to highjack that ambulance because they told the emt guys to wait for another ambulance because the one that was there was gonna be used for an angle...." Which I think is sad. I don't but ( this is why I'm asking ) if they had giving the ambulance up for Owen, do you think he would still be here today? This is scene (skip to 0:40) : The other thing which is really sad is that because they kept the show going, they had to use the same ring( which had Owen's blood in it ). What makes it even more sad is that Jeff Jarrett's match was straight after Owen's stopped match, and you can obviously see the blood: Also Rock knew that Owen had died before his match but I think HHH also knew because you can hear his voice when he was one the mic: If you noticed ( as stated in the comments of some of the vids ) the crowd was really making as much noise as they would usually do, after Owen's fall. A forum stated that in Earl and Dave Hebner's Shoot Interview "one of his arms was ripped up and hanging by skin" Here's the link: forum.bodybuilding.com/archive/index.php/t-116652551.htmlThis is probably one of Owen's last Known photo (I haven't clicked on it myself because I just find it really disturbing...It's of him on the cat walk: homepage.mac.com/knarley/.Pictures/owen/owenhartcatwalk2.jpgYou can find more of his photo's and of him getting dressed: homepage.mac.com/knarley/owenhart/page4/page4.htmlI haven't clicked on the homepage.mac links, so I don't know if they still work. Found this on Wiki: "In 2008 reports from WWE employees had claimed to see Owen Harts ghost in the rafters dressed in his blue blazer gimmick and also claimed to see lights flickering." I don't know if this is true. Some other links: www.hauntedamericatours.com/ghosthunting/owenhart.phpand this: www.imdb.com/name/nm0366464/board/nest/93994443?p=1I found this on a website too: "On Tuesday, there were reports from a local Kansas City radio station and the Kansas City Police Department stating that the apparent cause of the fatal accident was that Owen Hart was reaching up to grab onto the harness; but instead accidentally hit the release, causing his fall." I wouldn't mind links and other stuff posted in this thread, but please no fighting... But I would like to know the people who knew he died on the same day!? Thank You and R.I.P Owen Hart. |
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Post by Mr. Orange on Aug 19, 2011 13:55:57 GMT -5
Watch The Undertaker the entire time from when he walks out through the curtain to when Austin gets in the ring. Taker looked like he had just finished crying and when they zoomed in on him in the ring he was just staring at the corner that Owen hit about to burst into tears again.
Tragic tragic night.
I also read, I believe in Brets or Jericho's book they wanted him to come down with a little guy. But Owen was against it and late to rehearsal and they scrapped the idea saving the little persons life as well
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Post by comintogetcha on Aug 19, 2011 13:58:44 GMT -5
The segment with the ambulence had already been taped by the time of the accident, it was no longer at the arena. They had the ambulence turn around and come back to the area. Also, citing wikipedia as a source for anything is ludicrous. Your ghost stories are also patent nonsense.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Aug 19, 2011 14:05:22 GMT -5
The ambulance would not have made a bit of difference. Everything I've read says Owen died pretty much right after impact. In Mick Foley's book "Foley Is Good", he said that J.R. recalled Owen moving, as if he were doing sit-ups, and then he fell back down and never moved after that point.
RIP Owen.
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Post by done on Aug 19, 2011 14:07:36 GMT -5
Watch The Undertaker the entire time from when he walks out through the curtain to when Austin gets in the ring. Taker looked like he had just finished crying and when they zoomed in on him in the ring he was just staring at the corner that Owen hit about to burst into tears again. Tragic tragic night. I also read, I believe in Brets or Jericho's book they wanted him to come down with a little guy. But Owen was against it and late to rehearsal and they scrapped the idea saving the little persons life as well I think that's why Undertaker didn't come the next night because he would of broke kayfabe. I heard that HBK was not there the next night also. EDIT: (skip to 4:57, Undertaker crying also skip to 9:09 you see Owen's blood right next to Taker): |
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Post by Sully© on Aug 19, 2011 14:16:12 GMT -5
It was a really tragic night. The raw following was sad as hell. Rip Owen.
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Post by done on Aug 19, 2011 14:17:04 GMT -5
The ambulance would not have made a bit of difference. Everything I've read says Owen died pretty much right after impact. In Mick Foley's book "Foley Is Good", he said that J.R. recalled Owen moving, as if he were doing sit-ups, and then he fell back down and never moved after that point. RIP Owen. Yeah I heard he got up but fell down soon after, but the things is he fell from 70 + feet in the air. Owen's a really strong man, for trying to pull himself up. Another thing about Undertaker not coming the next day may of been because of his gimmick. |
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Post by done on Aug 19, 2011 14:20:01 GMT -5
The thing is, could everyone in the crowd tell that he had died.
Especially people front row and people behind J.R. and Lawler.
It was said that Owen was screaming while he was falling.
Imagine being in front row and hearing Owen scream then a collision of his body hit the ring...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2011 14:28:02 GMT -5
A while back i read something that surrounded the owen fall thing, and to be honest it doesnt shock me
Vince had basically forced owen to do the stunt, as at survivor series 98 dark match anyway owen didnt like the equipment and did not want to perform the stunt again.
So anyway that night in the arena owen was supposed to do a 'test run' with the equipment but in typical owen style he slipped away and stayed in the back. Vince still wanted him to do this as he was going to win the ic belt and fued with edge, that would of been great to watch, so sad selfish vince strikes again.
I really wish i could find the link or if someone else could add to this would be great, I had the ppv on copy dvd for some time with raw is owen on it is sad to watch even now.
RIP OWEN HART
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Post by done on Aug 19, 2011 14:49:35 GMT -5
A while back i read something that surrounded the owen fall thing, and to be honest it doesnt shock me Vince had basically forced owen to do the stunt, as at survivor series 98 dark match anyway owen didnt like the equipment and did not want to perform the stunt again. So anyway that night in the arena owen was supposed to do a 'test run' with the equipment but in typical owen style he slipped away and stayed in the back. Vince still wanted him to do this as he was going to win the ic belt and fued with edge, that would of been great to watch, so sad selfish vince strikes again. I really wish i could find the link or if someone else could add to this would be great, I had the ppv on copy dvd for some time with raw is owen on it is sad to watch even now. RIP OWEN HART This is actually one of the reason why I have a bitter taste in my mouth about Vince. If the ScrewJob never happened both Bulldog and Owen wouldn't of died( because Bulldog would of never of gone to WCW and broken his back, plus Bret would of convinced Vince and Owen not to do it at all) It would of been a great feud In my opinion. Also I think they faced once or twice, they faced each other at Breakdown or something like that and they were gonna have a match before but Owen retired because of what he done to Dan Severn. Does any body know or even have the match but Edge said on RAW is OWEN that him and Christian faced Owen and Jarrett. I would love to see that match. |
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Post by machoking on Aug 19, 2011 14:56:31 GMT -5
I dont think his arm was ripped to pieces as there would have been blood all over the place after that and you can tell from pics of the ring and pics of him being stretchered out that there isnt that much blood out there.
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Aug 19, 2011 15:04:38 GMT -5
Am I the only one that is not able to see the blood? I'm being serious.
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Post by sean™ on Aug 19, 2011 15:20:14 GMT -5
I think I'm one of the few members of this board that was there that night, and I know I'm the only member here that had floor seats no less. I hate to be "that guy", but I can still see him falling. It doesn't haunt me, but it's all an image I'll never forget.
From the fall, to him moving, to the questions, to the news coverage. I'll never forget him being rushed back stage, and slowly putting one thumb up, and the entire arena started clapping. Still gives me chills.
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Post by sean™ on Aug 19, 2011 15:23:11 GMT -5
Also, for the record as I've had more than my fair share of people try and "call me out" on the whole thumb issue, but I know what I saw and the rest of Kansas City that started clapping out of concern and respect afterwards knows as well.
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Post by done on Aug 19, 2011 15:28:29 GMT -5
Am I the only one that is not able to see the blood? I'm being serious. Look at the Undertaker/Austin match as Austin is stooping at taker the blood is right next to him. Jarrett and Debra/Venis and Bass match you can really clearly see it. As Jarrett is Irished Whipped to the corner Owen died... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2011 15:30:17 GMT -5
yea,this topic gives me the creeps.....
your out there in England,researching this stuff on a friday night?
Not the best stuff to be reading at night....
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Post by done on Aug 19, 2011 15:31:40 GMT -5
I think I'm one of the few members of this board that was there that night, and I know I'm the only member here that had floor seats no less. I hate to be "that guy", but I can still see him falling. It doesn't haunt me, but it's all an image I'll never forget. From the fall, to him moving, to the questions, to the news coverage. I'll never forget him being rushed back stage, and slowly putting one thumb up, and the entire arena started clapping. Still gives me chills. Thinking about it sometimes gives me goosebumps, just like when I was typing up this thread and as I was researching and that's why I didn't click on some links because I know I would really feel scared, sad and might actually cry. But to actually witness it is just another story. Did you hear Owen screaming sean or was that just a lie about him screaming? |
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Post by CF9™ on Aug 19, 2011 15:34:25 GMT -5
The whole thing about Owen's blood being in the ring is a lie. I'm pretty sure it was Matt Hardy's.
And also, those ghost stories are pretty interesting.
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Post by chaz on Aug 19, 2011 15:42:07 GMT -5
A while back i read something that surrounded the owen fall thing, and to be honest it doesnt shock me Vince had basically forced owen to do the stunt, as at survivor series 98 dark match anyway owen didnt like the equipment and did not want to perform the stunt again. So anyway that night in the arena owen was supposed to do a 'test run' with the equipment but in typical owen style he slipped away and stayed in the back. Vince still wanted him to do this as he was going to win the ic belt and fued with edge, that would of been great to watch, so sad selfish vince strikes again. I really wish i could find the link or if someone else could add to this would be great, I had the ppv on copy dvd for some time with raw is owen on it is sad to watch even now. RIP OWEN HART This is actually one of the reason why I have a bitter taste in my mouth about Vince. If the ScrewJob never happened both Bulldog and Owen wouldn't of died( because Bulldog would of never of gone to WCW and broken his back, plus Bret would of convinced Vince and Owen not to do it at all) It would of been a great feud In my opinion. Also I think they faced once or twice, they faced each other at Breakdown or something like that and they were gonna have a match before but Owen retired because of what he done to Dan Severn. Does any body know or even have the match but Edge said on RAW is OWEN that him and Christian faced Owen and Jarrett. I would love to see that match. It's absolutely idiotic to place the blame on Vince. Even if he did want Owen to do it, he didn't want Owen to die and he didn't trigger the quick release. Also, Bulldog had substance abuse problems for years prior to the Screwjob. It would have caught up with him eventually. And Owen still could have died. Bret says he would have prevented it, but what else is he meant to say? That he wouldn't? |
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Post by done on Aug 19, 2011 16:01:25 GMT -5
The whole thing about Owen's blood being in the ring is a lie. I'm pretty sure it was Matt Hardy's. And also, those ghost stories are pretty interesting. I just watched the The Hardy Boyz Match and I see no blood on Hardy nor the ring. EDIT: yeah you're right but didn't Owen on the other the side, or am I wrong? Sorry for the Triple post in a row. |
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