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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Sept 4, 2011 10:53:41 GMT -5
Personal opinions aside.. Rock is bigger than Austin Cena is bigger than Punk Is this seriously even a topic? Personal opinions aside? This topic distinctly asks for personal opinion on the question. I don't see how anyone could have the personal opinion that CM Punk/Austin should main event. It's absolutely incredulous. For the sake of wrestling, I'd like Rock and Cena to main event. And to even argue that Austin is anywhere near The Rock in terms of popularity right now. Cena/Rock are mainstream faces whereas Punk/Austin are only popular amongst a select group of fans - the very fans that inhabit this site. So yes, of course you'll all mark for that match. Hell, I will too. But to say it should main event Wrestlemania over The Rock and Cena - a dream match which has been in the work for YEARS.. is just ridiculous and reveals how much of a smark many of the members of this site are. Seriously.
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Sept 4, 2011 11:11:14 GMT -5
Where the f*ck did you get that statement from? I'm calling bs. I think your reading it wrong, Im saying Austin sold more merchandise than Rock and Cena not Cena sold more than Austin/Rock. On that subject, Cena has actually sold way more merchandise than Rock, In fact Cena's merchandise numbers from 2008-2011 is higher than every other Wrestler/Superstar except for Hogan and Austin. Stone Cold still takes the win when it comes to selling merchandise, His new shirt is even a hot seller. I think you seriously underestimate the power of The Rock. Having lived through the entire Attitude Era, seemingly unlike a new generation of users on this site, I will say now that The Rock and Stone Cold were 50/50 in popularity. Anyone who argues otherwise is just listening to the opinion of others, or stating their own opinion. Even his 'This is your life' segment reached an 8.4 rating. I know there are slight changes in how the ratings are done these days - but still that rating proves that he was a lot more over than you've been told therockisback. And to claim Mysterio sold more merchandise than The Rock is stupidity. And to claim that Austin sold more than John Cena and The Rock combined is just stupidity. Proceeding to the modern day, The Rock has become a huge movie star whereas Austin hasn't really starred in anything massive. The Rock is a household name to wrestling fans and non-wrestling fans alike, Austin is not. Punk certainly isn't. John Cena is. TWO of the Rock's shirts are higher sellers than Austin's Stomping Mudholes shirt - as well as his SCSA shirt which is now going for 3.99 dollars. Don't get me wrong, I love Austin, therockisback. But to claim that he is some sort of immovable object in the wrestling world is stupidity. The top 5 people who have immortalised the wrestling industry are: 1. Vince McMahon 2. Hulk Hogan 3. The Rock 4. Stone Cold 5. John Cena. Sure, some will have Austin 3rd and Rock 4th. And that's fine. But to discredit The Rock and Cena in a bid to claim that Austin/Punk is a more important match and should headline Wrestlemania is just stupid.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Sept 4, 2011 12:33:29 GMT -5
@$heamus.
Your looking at it to much from a BUSINESS standpoint, Austin/Punk would no doubt be the better match, Have a better build and story but as i have also said Rock/Cena is the bigger match and is the right match to main event in Miami with two of the biggest names in and out of the WWE. From a fans view Austin/Punk would be a better match to close WM.
Regarding Austin/Rock's popularity (Also being a fan who lived through the whole Attitude Era and started watching around 95 so just before the Attitude Era began) between each other in Wrestling Austin definitively has the edge on this one just by a little bit. These two guys were both extremely popular but Austin was the face of the Attitude Era but it is a close 50/50 decision between them.
Look at Cena/Orton or Cena/Rey or Hogan/Flair, Cena and Hogan win by landslides but Austin just beats Rock by a small percent but it is fair to say their both 50/50 between them.
Austin did get better crowd reactions than Rock, Austin was the one that was starting to take WWF to the top and in the end along with Rock, Taker, HHH WWF beat WCW. Ratings wise Rock has the highest rated segment in "This is your life" while Austin has the highest rated match with Taker for the WWF Title the night the greater power debuted.
Outside of WWE no doubt Rock is more popular as Dwayne The Rock Johnson, Austin has at least starred in one big movie which was The Expendables in 2010, Rock starred in The Mommy Returns and Fast5 and some awful Disney movies.
Look at 2002, When Austin walked out and Rock took a break after SummerSlam and when they both returned in early 2003 Rock was Booed while Austin got arguably the biggest pop of all time at NWO 2003, Rock was suppose to be on the Raw after SummerSlam to explain his absence but WWE was afraid Rock would get Booed so they kept him off for a few months after SummerSlam. Look at WM17 for another example of who got a better reaction even though it was in Texas Austin still turned heel and aligned with Vince but they were still on Austins side, WWE even turned Austin back to a face withing 7 months because of his great pops from the fans, Rock in 1999 also was getting good pops for a heel.
Putting Rock/Cena on last at WM28 from a business view is 100% the right way to go, That match alone will sell WM buy rates, But Austin/Punk from a fans view is the right way to go and would own Rock/Cena by a mile.
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Post by ROCKAJABRONi on Sept 4, 2011 13:37:43 GMT -5
Putting Rock/Cena on last at WM28 from a business view is 100% the right way to go, That match alone will sell WM buy rates, But Austin/Punk from a fans view is the right way to go and would own Rock/Cena by a mile. Isn't that a little contradictory? I mean from a business perspective, you want to do what makes you the most money. And you get that money from the fans. So, ultimately, from a business aspect, you'll do what you think the fans want. Not saying that the WWE does that successfully all the time. You can't just look at the wrestling to determine what goes last at a show. You have to look at what the atmosphere would be like, the venue of the event, they hype behind the match, etc. I get where you're coming from when you say the better match should main event. But was Rock/Hogan a great wrestling match? No it wasn't. But that should have main-evented WM18. Even though the Y2J/HHH match was arguably the better wrestling match, Jericho, himself, said that it shouldn't have main-evented.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Sept 4, 2011 13:42:47 GMT -5
Punk vs Austin without question but I think Rock vs Cena is a way bigger marquee matchup just based on outside acknowledgement of WrestleMania and should definitely end the show. They are both fantasy matches for me so I hope we get to see both to be honest. Both at the same WrestleMania, a Mania I am going to, would be insane. Punk's star is still building, a match with Austin could definitely help add to that star power and could essentially really put him over. Cena and Rock have nothing to gain from their match imo (from a wrestling standpoint), it's just a great showdown of mega stars and will put butts in the seats. The best way to put it. Punk needs the big win over Austin while Rock/Cena have nothing to gain which is why either of them could win and it could set up a big rematch, I would love one more Run WWE Title reign.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2011 14:21:04 GMT -5
I want to see Randy Orton (c) vs. Daniel Bryan for the World Heavyweight Championship. I mean Bryan did say he would love to face Orton and It would be a great match. What a bad choice for the MAIN EVENT but that match would be great, Bryan would have to carry Orton & Orton would have to put effort. The last time Orton was in the main event i almost fell asleep. You're joking right? Orton has improved drastically in the ring this year. Go ahead and watch ALL his matches with Christian, every one is great. If put against the right opponent, Orton can put on a classic.
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Post by wabarrett on Sept 4, 2011 14:25:52 GMT -5
^^^ True, Orton's barely had a bad match all year.
Much like Cena, he just needs an opponent who isn't a sack of crap, then they will deliver everytime.
The Orton/ Miz series was pretty boring... but, for me that's because Miz doesn't exactly put on classics.
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Post by v/\v on Sept 4, 2011 15:05:20 GMT -5
I'd also state that this main event is different to WMX8 as it would involve Orton being champ defending against new names. And as long as the match is great the energy will follow. WM19 had Brock/Kurt on last after some barnstormers and triumphed. Whatever way you cut it Rock/Cena is no Rock/Hogan so it will have a different energy, where the crowd will want more after it. WWE just need to place faith in their stars to deliver a performance that will keep the crowd on the edge, which is ultimately what they are paid for.
WWE would be wise to place a single match after Rock/Cena to not leave a half of the audience sour on the whole experience. There is little gain for WWE on who the winner of Rock/Cena is so they have to try with something else to keep people coming back.
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Post by wabarrett on Sept 4, 2011 15:09:00 GMT -5
Gonna be honest, IF we got Rock vs. Cena and Stone Cold vs. Punk and Orton vs. D. Bryan and Undertaker's final match... I would... I dunno what I'd do, but f*** I hope that is what happens.
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Post by TurboEddie on Sept 4, 2011 19:04:50 GMT -5
Those matches shouldn't take place at the same WrestleMania. CM Punk and Stone Cold should main event WrestleMania 29.
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Post by nexusagainstus on Sept 5, 2011 10:01:13 GMT -5
Wasn't one of the perks in CM Punk's new contract that he would Main Event WrestleMania? Just sayin' Those matches shouldn't take place at the same WrestleMania. CM Punk and Stone Cold should main event WrestleMania 29. I completely agree. Rock/Cena, Austin/Punk, and the possible retirement match for Undertaker(I don't think it will be though) seems like putting way too many eggs in one basket.
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Post by MattPenrose13 on Sept 5, 2011 10:19:22 GMT -5
Personal opinions aside.. Rock is bigger than Austin Cena is bigger than Punk Is this seriously even a topic? Yep, Cena > Punk, Rock > Austin. Therefore, Rock/Cena > Austin/Punk.
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Sept 5, 2011 13:21:00 GMT -5
ASR (therockisback)Did you seriously just say from a business standpoint that Cena/Rock was the right way to go but not from the fans perspective? Business is the fans. The fact that I actually have to go into detail to you about why Rock/Cena should main event the show is silly. Look forward to Punk/Austin more if you want - and the match will happen, I'm sure of it - but that doesn't mean it should main event. Not everyone shares your opinion or the predominant opinion amongst us, the IWC.
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Post by wabarrett on Sept 5, 2011 13:24:36 GMT -5
If Punk vs. Austin was on the same show, Rock vs. Cena should main event based on:
- The match being put in place a whole year before the event. - The Mania being held in Miami, Rock's hometown ofc. - The Rock being in his first match for 7 years. - The Rock and John Cena combined being bigger than Stone Cold and CM Punk combined.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Sept 6, 2011 13:49:15 GMT -5
@willbuh @$heamus, You both said it right, That's what im saying Rock/Cena should be the main event based on those facts and COMBINED they are bigger than Austin/Punk but Austin/Punk would be the better match and another big match plus a better build up so from more of a fans view it should main event while from a business AND a lot of other fans views Rock/Cena should main event.
Rock/Cena is basically a big match with two HUGE names in the same ring and just like that it makes money and it doesn't even have to be a classic (which it still will be a classic) to be a good match while Austin/Punk is the exact same thing but would turn out the much better match so that is why i would want that match to main event but that's just my view on it, Bottom line is both are great but Rock/Cena should and will go on last.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Sept 10, 2011 3:13:47 GMT -5
i would rather have punk/austin main event but it wont happen even if it could wwe would still use cena/rock
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