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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Feb 18, 2012 8:25:07 GMT -5
Hey,
I just heard about this story and saw this tragic video and I just cannot believe the outcome and it's just bugging me if I don't say something here and now.
Here's the video:
Sure, what she did was wrong by driving without a license and alleged involvement in 2 hit and run accidents and even fleeing, but I'm sorry, what Officer Daniel Cole did, in my opinion, was use sheer blatant deadly and excessive force by using his taser.
The end result with the woman now being braindead is just so tragic, it really upsets me. And of course, the Florida Highway Patrol have cleared him of any wrongdoing, which I think is a disgrace.
He basically killed her, more or less. She may still be alive technically, but she'll remain in a vegetative state for the rest of her life.
I'm sure the officer could've used some other way to get the woman to stop, but nope. They are all so damn trigger-happy and want to use their weapons without thinking of the consequences.
I think if you watch the video, had the officer ran a bit faster he would've caught her no problem, but no, he just HAD to use his damn taser and look what happened.
The poor woman smashes her head on the concrete and is now braindead, all thanks to some overweight, trigger-happy cop who got away with it.
This is just another example of why I don't trust cops and don't like cops at all. They can't be trusted. I've read tons of stories about dirty cops and sure, they ruin it for the good cops, but that doesn't really change my opinion about them.
I just don't like cops, plain and simple.
Anyway, I just wanted to get everyone's opinions on this. Do you think the officer used excessive force or not??
Was it right for him to taser a 100 pound woman in the back, instead of running faster and attempting a tackle??
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Post by Cammi Oh on Feb 18, 2012 9:11:43 GMT -5
That is terrible. Excessive Force, definitely.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Feb 18, 2012 10:05:34 GMT -5
Don't run away. She was entirely in the wrong...
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Post by OYDK? on Feb 18, 2012 10:10:53 GMT -5
She definitely shouldn't have run, but the taser wasn't exactly necessary. The fact she is now brain dead is unfortunate, but she brought it upon herself.
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Post by Jack Specific on Feb 18, 2012 10:13:38 GMT -5
Excessive force? No way. She clearly tried to run and the police did what they are supposed to do to stop a criminal from running. Her falling on her head was accidental, there was no wrong doing by the police. The is the unfortunate result and consequence of her own actions.
JS
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Post by T R W on Feb 18, 2012 10:37:27 GMT -5
Running and tackling her could easily have caused the exact same injury.
I have no problem with what the officer did.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 10:40:49 GMT -5
How could she be braindead if she sat up in the video and then complied with the Officer when he said "Lay down." I'm pretty sure if she was braindead, she wouldn't have been able to comprehend what he was saying or possibly even move.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Feb 18, 2012 10:49:47 GMT -5
Excessive force? No way. She clearly tried to run and the police did what they are supposed to do to stop a criminal from running. Her falling on her head was accidental, there was no wrong doing by the police. The is the unfortunate result and consequence of her own actions. JS I agree and don't agree at the same time. Sure, they have to stop the criminal from getting away, but tasing someone isn't their ONLY option to go with, especially in this case. The officer is like 267 pounds and she's about 100 pounds. He could've gave chase and tackled her, but he says he would've likely caused more injury had he done that than tased her, which I think is a load of b.s. The worst she woud've got if tackled was probably some bruises and scrapes, but because the officer chose to zap her with his taser, she's basically dead now. That's a REAL good choice... Seriously, how far could she have gotten?? I think the officer would've caught her. I mean, they are trained to chase after people, right?? I'm sorry, but I'm sticking with my original opinion. It was deadly, excessive force. Tasers are deadly and this is just another unfortunate case of it. This situation didn't call for a taser at all. The officer could've ran and tackled her, he could've got out his gun and shot in the air and scared her from running, he could've got out his knightstick and gave her a whack in the leg with the distance between them, or whatever. There are definitely other options to go with, other than using his taser. I think they should be banned because they are deadly and it's not neccessary in some cases. I think what police should have are the beanbag guns, like we saw Johnny Knoxville get shot with. I think those are alot less lethal and deadly than tasers. They can cause damage, no doubt about that, but I don't believe they would be lethal, like a taser is.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Feb 18, 2012 10:51:05 GMT -5
How could she be braindead if she sat up in the video and then complied with the Officer when he said "Lay down." I'm pretty sure if she was braindead, she wouldn't have been able to comprehend what he was saying or possibly even move. Read the description in the video. The whole story is there.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 18, 2012 10:56:48 GMT -5
So if he tackled her and she slammed her head on the concrete in the process and ended up brain dead you'd be okay with it? She's running from the cop and none of this is her fault?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 11:06:11 GMT -5
Tackling her could have done just as much damage. 267 pounds tackling 100 pounds? Almost 3 times more? Crushed bones, easily could have slammed her head off the concrete as well by doing that.
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Post by /X Metal Sorenges x "Mac Oh J~ on Feb 18, 2012 11:11:22 GMT -5
So if he tackled her and she slammed her head on the concrete in the process and ended up brain dead you'd be okay with it? She's running from the cop and none of this is her fault? Yes I agree, He wasn't using excessive force by the slightest and I'm sure if the 256 man tackled the 100 pound girl, he would have most likely crushed her causing more severe damage that already happened. I think the taser was the right thing to do in this situation. Yes it was unfortunately that she fell head first but I was her lack of cooperation which led up to her ending up in this state. Sorry but I say the cop was right and she was wrong and knowing the cops luck she probably was fast.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Feb 18, 2012 11:13:56 GMT -5
So if he tackled her and she slammed her head on the concrete in the process and ended up brain dead you'd be okay with it? She's running from the cop and none of this is her fault? I didn't say none of this is her fault. She's the criminal and clearly she was wrong for everything she did. But in this situation, if you watch the damn video, there were clearly other options to go with other than a ing taser. He would've caught her had he chose to run, I have no doubts about that. He was probably too lazy and didn't feel like it, so he chose another option, a quicker more effective method and it turned deadly. And if he would've tackled her and she smacked her head, it would've been an unfortunate accident, kinda the way this turned out. Only difference is, it didn't require a taser shot, in my opinion. Using a taser wasn't the ONLY option to go with. You've got to agree with me on that. In this situation, I believe the officer is wrong for using his taser when it didn't call for it. That's a blatant use of excessive, deadly force when it wasn't warranted. It's just an unfortunate situation all around.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Feb 18, 2012 11:18:51 GMT -5
Nope, sorry I disagree with you 100%. Is it indeed unfortunate that she is now brain dead. But is it the cop's fault for doing his job and trying to stop a criminal resisting arrest? Absolutely not. Is it her fault for running and resisting arrest? Yes, definitely. Had she just cooperated with the police her brain would still be completely intact. All the cop did was his job and I'm very happy to hear that he didn't get in trouble because of that idiot trying to run away.
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Post by /X Metal Sorenges x "Mac Oh J~ on Feb 18, 2012 11:21:13 GMT -5
So if he tackled her and she slammed her head on the concrete in the process and ended up brain dead you'd be okay with it? She's running from the cop and none of this is her fault? I didn't say none of this is her fault. She's the criminal and clearly she was wrong for everything she did. But in this situation, if you watch the damn video, there were clearly other options to go with other than a ing taser. He would've caught her had he chose to run, I have no doubts about that. He was probably too lazy and didn't feel like it, so he chose another option, a quicker more effective method and it turned deadly. And if he would've tackled her and she smacked her head, it would've been an unfortunate accident, kinda the way this turned out. Only difference is, it didn't require a taser shot, in my opinion. Using a taser wasn't the ONLY option to go with. You've got to agree with me on that. In this situation, I believe the officer is wrong for using his taser when it didn't call for it. That's a blatant use of excessive, deadly force when it wasn't warranted. It's just an unfortunate situation all around. I disagree actually, I believe that was the Cop's only option. I highly doubt a cop that's 256 pounds could easily catch a 100 pound girl on a dash off. Come now, use a little bit of come sense, does it seem likely for that to happen? Yes I know you feel sympathy for the girl, most of us do, but you can't let your emotions get the hold of reality. There's been countless other stories of some being tazered and them being perfectly fine afterwords..
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 18, 2012 11:24:52 GMT -5
So if he tackled her and she slammed her head on the concrete in the process and ended up brain dead you'd be okay with it? She's running from the cop and none of this is her fault? I didn't say none of this is her fault. She's the criminal and clearly she was wrong for everything she did. But in this situation, if you watch the damn video, there were clearly other options to go with other than a ing taser. He would've caught her had he chose to run, I have no doubts about that. He was probably too lazy and didn't feel like it, so he chose another option, a quicker more effective method and it turned deadly. And if he would've tackled her and she smacked her head, it would've been an unfortunate accident, kinda the way this turned out. Only difference is, it didn't require a taser shot, in my opinion. Using a taser wasn't the ONLY option to go with. You've got to agree with me on that. In this situation, I believe the officer is wrong for using his taser when it didn't call for it. That's a blatant use of excessive, deadly force when it wasn't warranted. It's just an unfortunate situation all around. Back to my original question. If he tackled her and she slammed her head in the concrete and was brain dead would you be OK with that or would you be ticked at the cop still?
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Feb 18, 2012 11:38:59 GMT -5
I think if he didn't stop to pull his taser out he could have grabbed her. These cops now a days just get trigger happy and start shooting. Its in disgusting to be honest. I am not sure but i don't think NJ cops use tasers which is good in a way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 12:30:24 GMT -5
I would have at least chased her until they were on "safe ground" and then maybe grabbed her then. She couldn't get too far, being handcuffed and all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 12:44:43 GMT -5
I wasn't going to chime in on this but since I actually am a Police Officer I feel obligated to say something.
Mr. Old School, I know a lot of people on this board have had issues with you in the past but I never have until now.
I think Police Officers are (and should) be held to a higher standard. HOWEVER, I don't think it's fair that they are held to an impossible standard. Police Officers are human beings just like you and me. There are hundreds of thousands of Police Officers in every town in this country. To say that some don't make mistakes is crazy. I find it sad that you only hear about the mistakes cops make. Very rarely do you see the video of the cop talking to a battered wife or a molested child. All you ever see is the cop using "excessive or brutal force" on a criminal.
From my experience, most people who hate cops hate them because they broke the law and got caught. Because "the cops arrested them". It's unfair to say that you hate all cops or all cops are bad just from one single experience or incident.
When a fireman fails to rescue a loved one from a burning building do you hate ALL firemen?
When a Doctor fails to save a loved one do you hate ALL doctors?
When a McDonald's employee gets your order wrong at the drive-thru do you hate ALL McDonald's employees?
Also, I think we need to realize what the terms "excessive force and brutality" mean. The taser is a NON-LETHAL force. It's on the same level on the use of force chart as pepper spray. At no point was the lady in the video "brutalized". Regardless of popular belief, the taser is used to PREVENT HARM TO AN OFFICER. It is not used to stop the suspect after they have already made harm to an officer.
In this case would I have used the taser? No.
However, the cop was completely justified in using it because the taser is a NON LETHAL form of force. All too often we want to "Monday morning quarterback" cops who have to make sometimes life or death decisions in split seconds.
Do I feel bad that this girl is supposedly brain dead? Yes.
Do I blame the officer or the taser? No.
It was a freak accident that unfortunately happened.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 12:54:39 GMT -5
She was resisting arrest and that cop was just doing his job. Yes, it's sad to hear the she's brain dead now, but maybe she shouldn't have been running away from a ing cop.
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