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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 24, 2013 18:11:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure why the Yankees think they need another outfielder. Between Ichiro, Gardner, Boesch, Francisco, Juan Rivera who is an outfielder and NOT a real 1B,....plus, Granderson will be back in 5 or 6 weeks.
Vernon Wells makes no sense.
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Post by Chip on Mar 24, 2013 19:02:30 GMT -5
Depth. Simply put. Depth. Can never have too many fielders. If Hafner gets hurt, if they need to give guys rest. Wells might find some of that skills he had. If not, it's an overall low-risk move like Wang
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Post by ICW on Mar 24, 2013 19:25:54 GMT -5
I'm guessing we'll see Wells in LF, Gardner in CF, Ichiro in RF to start the season. Ugh.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Mar 24, 2013 19:56:41 GMT -5
Depth. Simply put. Depth. Can never have too many fielders. If Hafner gets hurt, if they need to give guys rest. Wells might find some of that skills he had. If not, it's an overall low-risk move like Wang Wells is expensive depth, thats the point. Why pay him 6-7$ to be a 4th or 5th OF. Stupid
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 24, 2013 20:00:35 GMT -5
Depth. Simply put. Depth. Can never have too many fielders. If Hafner gets hurt, if they need to give guys rest. Wells might find some of that skills he had. If not, it's an overall low-risk move like Wang Low risk.....reaaaaaaaally? Vernon Wells is owed $42 million dollars over the next 2 seasons. I don't know what the terms of the trade is going to be, but the Angels aren't going to agree to pay all of that, so no, this will not be completely "low risk" for the Yankees. I still say that the Yankees would be better off going after Morneau. He's a free agent after this year so if he doesn't work out it will only affect 2013. And we need a 1B, because trust me, Teixeira will not even play 70 games this year. The Yankees will NEVER find somebody to take Vernon Wells in 2014 $21 million if he sucks in 2013. This is a horrible move.
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Post by Chip on Mar 24, 2013 20:12:07 GMT -5
Report said the Angles would be eating a good portion of his salary. They are gonna need somebody with power to play the OF until Granderson is healthy. And again, maybe at that point Hafner isn't working out like they hoped, so you pay Wells to hit and play the field when necessary.
David Ortiz is getting paid $13 million dollars to hit. They can pay Wells 5-6. Yankees need someone who can hit a home run. They need depth. Maybe Morneau doesn't WANT to play for the Yankees, maybe the Twins want too much for him. I'm sure its just not that easy.
You can say Vernon Wells sucks all you want, but until he actually gets on the field and plays, nobody knows. He could be worthless, he could be great. If on May 1st he's batting .110 with 1 HR and 3 RBIs we have a problem. Until that happens, there's no issues with having more offensive depth
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 24, 2013 20:16:28 GMT -5
Report said the Angles would be eating a good portion of his salary. They are gonna need somebody with power to play the OF until Granderson is healthy. And again, maybe at that point Hafner isn't working out like they hoped, so you pay Wells to hit and play the field when necessary. David Ortiz is getting paid $13 million dollars to hit. They can pay Wells 5-6. Yankees need someone who can hit a home run. They need depth. Maybe Morneau doesn't WANT to play for the Yankees, maybe the Twins want too much for him. I'm sure its just not that easy. You can say Vernon Wells sucks all you want, but until he actually gets on the field and plays, nobody knows. He could be worthless, he could be great. If on May 1st he's batting .110 with 1 HR and 3 RBIs we have a problem. Until that happens, there's no issues with having more offensive depth So who are we trading to the Angels? If the Angels are willing to eat around $30 million dollars of this contract, that must mean we are sending them somewhat of a significant package, which is even more troubling than if the Yankees were to just pick up the contract. The Angels have no incentive to eat that contract unless we are giving them something of value.
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Post by Chip on Mar 24, 2013 20:17:33 GMT -5
Just read....Yankees are paying $13 million for Wells for the next 2 years. The Angels are eating the rest. AND....on top of that, since Tex got hurt this season, the WBC is paying a portion of his salary ($7-8 million) so in effect signing Wells is not affecting this year's payroll in any way. If we were sending them someone big, it would have been reported. Yahoo sports is saying "Whatever the Yankees are sending back to the Angels in prospect form probably will be negligible." Again, low risk. You're paying $6.5 million for a guy who can hit home runs, and play the OF. Is he a .300 MVP hitter? No. But when you lose the 160 (or whatever) HR's the Yankees lost this season with everyone leaving, this at least gives us a chance to make up for it. What is so bad about this? I don't get it....we have like 3 guys on the team who can hit home runs....everyone bitches that the Yankees have no power. The go out and trade dog turds for a guy who can HIT HOME RUNS and now its like "oh its vernon wells, he sucks we should have got ______"
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 24, 2013 20:20:07 GMT -5
Again....what we end up trading to the Angels will determine if this is a good move or not. If it is anybody decent, then the move is stupid.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Mar 24, 2013 23:36:23 GMT -5
Still a lot of money for a 4th OF, 6$ milllionish for a 4th OF who hasnt done anything in years.
Good luck guys
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Post by Chip on Mar 25, 2013 17:33:59 GMT -5
Lohse signing with the Brewers helps my fantasy team. Whew.
Can't believe Opening Day is only 6 days from now, I need my baseball
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Mar 25, 2013 17:56:55 GMT -5
Id rather have the 17th pick in the draft than Kyle Lohse.
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Post by LA Times on Mar 25, 2013 21:38:07 GMT -5
Id rather have the 17th pick in the draft than Kyle Lohse. Miller Park-where Cardinals pitchers go to let their career die
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Post by Chip on Mar 26, 2013 18:13:42 GMT -5
outfielder Exicardo Cayones and left-handed pitcher Kramer Sneed for Vernon Wells plus the way they structured the contract will barely affect next year's payroll (if at all)
Still see no problems here. If he stays healthy, he will give them depth & HR's....all they need.
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Post by HydroX on Mar 26, 2013 18:22:57 GMT -5
Tempted to dive in on an MLB.tv subscription. Hope they do a free week/month promotion like they did last season.
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Post by Chip on Mar 29, 2013 16:44:00 GMT -5
holy crap....Opening Day is the day after tomorrow where did this offseason go? i love this time of year
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 29, 2013 22:28:27 GMT -5
WHAT THE ARE THE YANKEES DOING?!?!?! They cut David Aardsma in favor of SHAWN KELLEY? Shawn Kelley had a 5.63 ERA in Spring Training! David Aardsma had a 3.52 ERA! I'm mind boggled by this move.....the whole purpose of signing Aardsma last year was for THIS YEAR! So they sign him, rehab him, and work him all the way back to being MLB ready just to cut him? I don't get it. If something happens to Rivera and/or Robertson, the Yankees are screwed. They could have used somebody who has at least closed with success in MLB before like Aardsma has. I'm sorry, but I don't see what Shawn Kelley brings to the team at this juncture.
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Post by ICW on Mar 29, 2013 23:05:16 GMT -5
I mean...it's not that big of a loss. A bit confusing, sure, but not that huge of a loss.
Girardi said Aardsma is not a multi inning pitcher, something Kelley could be. Plus, Kelley has the potential to be even better than Aardsma. He had a 3.25 ERA (3.55 FIP) last season.
I think the more questionable move is why Cody Eppley made it over Aardsma. But, again, I think it has something to do with Aardsma unable to be anything more than a 1 inning pitcher
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 30, 2013 0:02:28 GMT -5
I still don't understand it.
Mariano Rivera is a 1 inning pitcher. David Robertson is a 1 inning pitcher. Joba Chamberlain is a 1 inning pitcher. Boone Logan is a 1 inning pitcher. Cody Eppley is a 1 inning pitcher. Clay Rapada (when he comes off the DL) usually doesn't pitch to more than 1 batter per game.
Phil Hughes shouldn't be on the DL that long, and when that happens Phelps will be back to his long man role.
And besides, it sounded to me like Adam Warren is going to make the team? He was placed on the 40 man roster at least.
David Phelps, Adam Warren, Shawn Kelley....how many long men do we need?
And Chien-Ming Wang could be available for a starting role or long man duty at any time......plus Michael Pineda could be ready to start within the next 2 months.
If injuries happened to Sabathia, Kuroda or Pettitte the Yankees are screwed. But the Yankees seemed to have more than enough to replace Hughes and/or Nova without having to cut Aardsma to add Kelley.
The Yankees are not exactly in the position where they are overflowing with healthy players that they should just be cutting guys who haven't done anything wrong or played poorly.
I really would have liked to see what Aardsma had.
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Post by ICW on Mar 30, 2013 0:13:13 GMT -5
But we've seen Robertson and Chamberlain pitch multiple innings. Logan can, too, depending on how many lefties are in the lineup...and we've seen Girardi leave him in against RHP. Eppley can go multiple innings because he's essentially a righty specialist. Rapada is strictly a LOOGY, meaning he should be the only one who shouldn't go multiple innings.
I liked Aardsma but, again, I don't think it's a huge loss and the Yankees will come to rue the day they DFA him. He hasn't pitched in TWO years, it's not exactly a lock he's going to even remain healthy let alone pitch effectively.
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