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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 24, 2012 20:09:36 GMT -5
Seems like a majority of fans on the internet believe that the Biker Undertaker from 2000-2003 was his worst era. My question is why? After basically being the deadman for 9 straight years and making the character as "gimmicky" as anyone could have gotten it with his Ministry, Taker needed a fresh start.
I loved the change in character as it was needed, and he could now have feuds w/ guys he already feuded with in the past without it feeling old. His feud w/ Austin in 2001 is an example of this. Sure, his matches from 00-01 wern't the best because he still seemed to be suffering from ring-rust and struggling to take off the weight he put on in 99, but his run from 02-03 was great. I loved his heel turn in 02, and the only thing I would change from that was Triple H making him looking like a b**** after Taker cost him the title. He evolved his moveset around this time and began adding the more MMA style to his matches. His feuds with Lesnar, Angle, Show, and a cocky Cena were all great and I enjoyed his "mentor" role in 03.
Personally I felt his character was at its weakest from 2006-present. His character has looked strong against guys like HBK, Triple H, Edge, Orton, and Batista, but clean losses to guys like Kozlov and Khali hurt his credibility. His character also became stale again years ago IMO and felt he should have tried to combine the Deadman with his Biker gimmick to remain fresh.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 20:16:00 GMT -5
The late 90s was his prime. As for ABA Im not quite sure. His HIAC with Lesnar and the Six man HIAC are very good though.
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Post by B Dubya on Oct 24, 2012 20:22:30 GMT -5
Shame we'll likely never see him dawn the ABA persona again before he retires. It's always been my favorite part of his career.
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Post by marino13 on Oct 24, 2012 20:43:13 GMT -5
Personally I loved the ABA Taker. By far the most I've been entertained by him. His matches, promos, & storylines were miles & miles better to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 20:50:32 GMT -5
Ugh. I just didn't like it. The motorcycle and whole American Bad Ass thing just came off as lame to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 21:05:32 GMT -5
it gets no hate from me thats for sure.he had some great moments as ABA.
his heel turn on JR after Survivors 01 shocked the living crape outta me.
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 24, 2012 21:10:00 GMT -5
I liked how his character became more "human." Allowed his feuds to become more believable for me, especially when Brock intimidated his pregnant wife. Made Taker more relatable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 21:11:21 GMT -5
Sara was fugly...and she beat DDP.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 21:14:43 GMT -5
Sara was fugly...and she beat DDP. His new wife is hotter. Am I the only one who wasted most of the match stealing his bike in Here Comes the Pain? |
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 24, 2012 21:32:41 GMT -5
Sara was fugly...and she beat DDP. True w/ both. Her beating DDP was the final nail in the coffin for him. But she was useful in making the Brock/Taker feud personal. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 24, 2012 21:55:35 GMT -5
Its not so much that I think it was "bad" but it just wasnt as good as everything else. Look at it like Pizza.
Original Deadman- Meat Lovers w/ Extra Cheese
Ministry Deadman- Sausage
Purple Deadman- Pepperoni
ABA Undertaker- Cheese Pizza w/light sauce
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Post by dandaman619 on Oct 24, 2012 22:00:53 GMT -5
I enjoyed the ABA gimmick big time. Its the time i found him most entertaining.
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Post by k5 on Oct 24, 2012 22:29:44 GMT -5
i thought it was good but tired of it quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 22:33:17 GMT -5
I loved it. I've always found the Deadman gimmick boring with how he would go away and come back the same old ways. I know he didn't do it much in the original run, but his Deadman return has been very stale.
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Post by robby.blade on Oct 25, 2012 2:38:18 GMT -5
I loved the ABA Undertaker personally. Like others said above me, it showed that he was "human" and allowed for more believable feuds.
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Post by mikey1974 on Oct 25, 2012 5:58:12 GMT -5
i don't hate it. it was actually a natural progression in the evolution of the character,who had already started to become more "human" by late 1996.
it was just different. so different from what he was before. i did absolutely love though the way they used it for his 2nd "official death" when Kane buried him and said he lost touch with who he was and "became one of us", leading to the return of the Dead Man...
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Oct 25, 2012 6:10:16 GMT -5
00 and 01 were grabage. 02 and 03 on the other hand were phenomenal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 6:10:25 GMT -5
Ugh. I just didn't like it. The motorcycle and whole American Bad Ass thing just came off as lame to me. This. Plus it was a gimmick that nearly anyone could have had and done just as well. Mark was born to play the dead man character. |
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Post by Kidd For President on Oct 25, 2012 6:40:25 GMT -5
Its not so much that I think it was "bad" but it just wasnt as good as everything else. Look at it like Pizza. Original Deadman- Meat Lovers w/ Extra Cheese Ministry Deadman- Sausage Purple Deadman- Pepperoni ABA Undertaker- Cheese Pizza w/light sauce Do you not relize that using pizza did nothing because people like different pizza than you? I hate meat on my pizza. |
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Post by T R W on Oct 25, 2012 6:53:02 GMT -5
I thought it was by far his best era. He could actually cut promos and his gimmick wasn't silly. I love the skill of undertaker but I always hated the deadman gimmick. Especially once the attitude era started and now.
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