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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Jan 10, 2013 13:16:25 GMT -5
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Post by Jack Specific on Jan 10, 2013 13:22:33 GMT -5
Illegally obtained guns you mean. Too bad no honest citizens or security guards were armed there. JS
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Post by King of Kings on Jan 10, 2013 13:25:28 GMT -5
I read the entire article, but I don't see where Taft High School is? Where is it located? Sad nonetheless.
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Jan 10, 2013 13:29:00 GMT -5
Illegally obtained guns you mean. Too bad no honest citizens or security guards were armed there. JS No no, I mean for all. I read the entire article, but I don't see where Taft High School is? Where is it located? Sad nonetheless. California from what I read elsewhere.
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on Jan 10, 2013 14:40:33 GMT -5
I don't want to speculate without knowing many details on what happened, but its an unfortunate problem. Gun violence needs to be tackled in America, and its going to need many different solutions instead of one.
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Post by J12 on Jan 10, 2013 15:07:40 GMT -5
This is quickly escalating into one of the biggest issues America faces, and yet there seems to be no viable way to solve it.
I don't think banning guns is the answer, though I'm certainly no advocate for the "arm everyone" argument that the NRA often poses either.
It just almost seems like an unsolvable problem, quite honestly. No matter how much we improve our awareness and treatment of mental health issues, there's always going to be people who fly under the radar and do these things. No matter how many sanctions we put on firearms, people are always going to find a way to get them, legally or illegally, in order to commit these heinous acts. It just seems impossible to solve.
I think one of the first places to start is to hold gun owners responsible for their weapons, to an extreme degree. For example, if you're a gun owner who keeps his/her weapons unlocked, and your child takes them and shoots up his/her school, the parents should be held accountable in serious fashion. At the very least, if the consequences are laid out, that may eliminate some concern.
But that only solves a miniscule fraction of the issue. I had a thought back when Sandy Hook first occurred regarding putting trackers in guns and giving police the ability to immobilize the weapon at a moment's notice, but frankly, I'm not sure that the technology is as advanced as it would need to be to safely and accurately implement without causing tremendous burden on the people who actually do need the weapons.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jan 10, 2013 15:16:29 GMT -5
Whats funny, is that it seems like a sudden issue, but reporting gun violence had just become a trend. They would need a faily 3 hour news broadcast to announce everything.
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Post by 0,Y on Jan 10, 2013 15:19:54 GMT -5
another one ?! seriously ...
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Post by BCizzle on Jan 10, 2013 15:54:06 GMT -5
Illegally obtained guns you mean. Too bad no honest citizens or security guards were armed there. JS Yeah, I agree. More guns are going to lower the number of shootings - makes perfect sense.
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Post by Razor-toothed™ on Jan 10, 2013 16:10:26 GMT -5
Seriously, stuff gotta change!
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Post by Jack Specific on Jan 10, 2013 16:15:00 GMT -5
Illegally obtained guns you mean. Too bad no honest citizens or security guards were armed there. JS Yeah, I agree. More guns are going to lower the number of shootings - makes perfect sense. It actually does... more honest citizens to have legal guns to protect themselves from dishonest criminals. With your logic I guess we should fight our wars with no guns? Lets let only the bad guys have the guns, yeah now that makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 16:19:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree. More guns are going to lower the number of shootings - makes perfect sense. It actually does... more honest citizens to have legal guns to protect themselves from dishonest criminals. With your logic I guess we should fight our wars with no guns? Lets let only the bad guys have the guns, yeah now that makes sense. thank you jack! we actually agree about somthing
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 10, 2013 16:26:29 GMT -5
People in the media who are very anti-guns are using the phrase "armed guards" in regards to schools in a negative way like it would degenerate us into some sort of military state....the phrase "armed guards" gives the uninformed a feeling of like it would turn the school into a prison. This is not the case.
I don't think it's unreasonable that every school in the country have ONE Police Officer on site at all times during school hours. This to me does not seem like it should be that difficult of a solution which I believe would eliminate all gun violence by those who would attempt to attack our schools since they would know a Police Officer would be there to stop them.
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Post by J12 on Jan 10, 2013 16:48:22 GMT -5
I think a lot of schools already have a police officer in place. My high school did (and still does), and we're not in what you'd consider a "rough neighborhood", nor have we ever had any violence outside of normal minor scuffles. That officer is specifically hired (or trained) to work in the high school. They're never on patrol in town, they're not even in uniform. They dress like a teacher, have an office, and handle any matter that might involve the law, alongside the principal and vice principal. They carried a weapon at all times.
I never found that to be strange, nor did I ever feel like my school was a "police state". No parents ever complained. In fact, because we interacted with the officer on such a regular basis, I found that a lot of kid's negative perception of police officers seemed to fade a bit.
I've often heard strong advocates of the NRA propose that everyone just carry a gun, though, which I find to be ridiculous. To me, that makes every heated situation unpredictable and gives every day citizens convenient access to a weapon whenever they see fit. I just get the feeling that we'd see more than a couple bar fights turn into gun fights with that mentality.
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Post by King Silva on Jan 10, 2013 17:03:59 GMT -5
It is sad that this stuff keeps happening. At least from what the article stated [maybe there has been an update] no one was killed and the kid is now in custody.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 10, 2013 17:20:00 GMT -5
BAN ILLEGAL GUNS!
Oh wait.
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on Jan 10, 2013 17:50:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree. More guns are going to lower the number of shootings - makes perfect sense. It actually does... more honest citizens to have legal guns to protect themselves from dishonest criminals. With your logic I guess we should fight our wars with no guns? Lets let only the bad guys have the guns, yeah now that makes sense. Surely you can see both sides of it though, right? We can't arm someone everywhere where two or more people are gathered. Think of the instance this winter with the fellow who attempted to kill firemen as they tended to a fire.. Do we arm firemen too who run into burning buildings? It wouldn't make sense. As far as gun control stands, I see no problem with making assault weapons illegal. Citizens do not need assault weapons.
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Post by Jack Specific on Jan 10, 2013 18:54:28 GMT -5
It actually does... more honest citizens to have legal guns to protect themselves from dishonest criminals. With your logic I guess we should fight our wars with no guns? Lets let only the bad guys have the guns, yeah now that makes sense. Surely you can see both sides of it though, right? We can't arm someone everywhere where two or more people are gathered. Think of the instance this winter with the fellow who attempted to kill firemen as they tended to a fire.. Do we arm firemen too who run into burning buildings? It wouldn't make sense. We don't but if he's an honest law abiding citizen then it's his choice to carry a weapon or not. As far as banning so called 'assault weapons'... there are way more powerful hunting guns out there so I guess it would make sense to ban those as well. The so called 'assault weapons' out there (such as the one I own) are semi-auto, not full auto which is in fact banned from the public (although there are some ways around that sort of). The reason I have mine is just in case some day there is a SHTF event. I want to be able to defend my family and my home. If you don't know what SHTF is just google it. Oh yeah and another reason is because it's fun as heck to shoot. JS
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Post by Codesters on Jan 10, 2013 19:16:05 GMT -5
Firearms dont kill people. People kill people. If someone misspells a word they don't blame the pencil.
Being ex-military, you rarely ever see military personnel "snap" and begin murdering innocent civilians with firearms. What should be looked into more extensively in my opinion, is mental health checks and reform. Not of just those who own firearms, but everyone in general. Our mental health care that is provided to us as American citizens is not adequate.
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Jan 10, 2013 19:29:07 GMT -5
Firearms dont kill people. People kill people. If someone misspells a word they don't blame the pencil. You don't know what I do, YOU DON'T KNOW ME!
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