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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 19:50:05 GMT -5
Kudos to that teacher
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on Jan 10, 2013 20:07:08 GMT -5
Firearms dont kill people. People kill people. If someone misspells a word they don't blame the pencil. Being ex-military, you rarely ever see military personnel "snap" and begin murdering innocent civilians with firearms. What should be looked into more extensively in my opinion, is mental health checks and reform. Not of just those who own firearms, but everyone in general. Our mental health care that is provided to us as American citizens is not adequate. People are dying and you want to compare it to pencils? Theres no adequate metaphor for powerful guns that are meant to mow down people. I'm not against mental health checks this and that and the other but when all is said and done, people are killing in large numbers and its not being done with pencils or knives, its guns. And if you want to own a gun, fine. But mental health checks and background checks should be more mandatory than an armed guard in every school
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Post by The Warsman on Jan 10, 2013 20:46:08 GMT -5
We guard our gold with guns. We guard our children with...hope?
That makes sense.
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Post by Codesters on Jan 10, 2013 20:49:32 GMT -5
Firearms dont kill people. People kill people. If someone misspells a word they don't blame the pencil. Being ex-military, you rarely ever see military personnel "snap" and begin murdering innocent civilians with firearms. What should be looked into more extensively in my opinion, is mental health checks and reform. Not of just those who own firearms, but everyone in general. Our mental health care that is provided to us as American citizens is not adequate. People are dying and you want to compare it to pencils? Theres no adequate metaphor for powerful guns that are meant to mow down people. I'm not against mental health checks this and that and the other but when all is said and done, people are killing in large numbers and its not being done with pencils or knives, its guns. And if you want to own a gun, fine. But mental health checks and background checks should be more mandatory than an armed guard in every school So to take away "powerful guns" that are "meant to mow down people"...Thats a broad approach. Almost any firearm can be considered powerful and any firearm can be used to mow down people. 22 caliber rounds are on the tiniest yet most dangerous rounds mainly because it can ricochet once it impacts tissue, thus bouncing around internally. And .22 rounds are used to hunt squirrels. The problem I have with weapons control is where do you stop? Say .762 and .556 rounds are banned. Then some nut case will shoot a group of people using a .30-.30 lever action and then the call to ban them is taken as well. It's a clear violation of the 2nd Amendment. We have the right to defend ourselves against all enemies foreign and domestic. Hand in hand we have the right to defend ourselves against an unjust government. Firearms will never disappear, even if the government wanted them to. Its an unrealistic approach to stop these mass killings. Quick add on: It wasn't a comparison to pencils for the record. It was me simply saying that firearms aren't killing people. People are killing each other. Another good metaphor is how many people said guns killed Osama Bin Laden instead of DEVGRU?
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Post by BCizzle on Jan 10, 2013 21:21:26 GMT -5
Firearms dont kill people. People kill people. If someone misspells a word they don't blame the pencil. Being ex-military, you rarely ever see military personnel "snap" and begin murdering innocent civilians with firearms. What should be looked into more extensively in my opinion, is mental health checks and reform. Not of just those who own firearms, but everyone in general. Our mental health care that is provided to us as American citizens is not adequate. Yeah, that never happens. Except I live near DC and we had the DC sniper, an ex-military guy, so I have already had to deal with that crap. Once was enough - I don't give a rat's ass about it happening "rarely." I would be happy if no one had guns and they were illegal for everyone. I'm not paranoid about the government like some of these folks are. It's a clear violation of the 2nd Amendment. We have the right to defend ourselves against all enemies foreign and domestic. Hand in hand we have the right to defend ourselves against an unjust government. It doesn't say that anywhere in the 2nd Amendment - that is just your interpretation of it. The vague wording of it is problematic to me. I'm sure the Founding Fathers were not thinking about people buying assault rifles at Wal-Mart when they wrote it. And isn't fighting against the government treason? What is the fine line between people who are Patriot Americans and traitors to the US?
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Jan 10, 2013 21:25:11 GMT -5
Sad but true.
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Post by Jack Specific on Jan 10, 2013 21:47:15 GMT -5
Sad but true. Sure but the NRA is not "Gun rights for Criminals". It's gun rights for law abiding citizens. Illegal, unregistered guns and criminals are already banned but yet they are still easily accessible. So lets further ban guns from the good guys. A lot of good a kitchen knife will do when a criminal breaks into my house with a gun. JS
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Post by Dat guy ova der on Jan 10, 2013 21:51:15 GMT -5
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Post by Razor-toothed™ on Jan 10, 2013 21:52:44 GMT -5
It's a clear violation of the 2nd Amendment. We have the right to defend ourselves against all enemies foreign and domestic. Hand in hand we have the right to defend ourselves against an unjust government. It doesn't say that anywhere in the 2nd Amendment - that is just your interpretation of it. The vague wording of it is problematic to me. I'm sure the Founding Fathers were not thinking about people buying assault rifles at Wal-Mart when they wrote it. And isn't fighting against the government treason? What is the fine line between people who are Patriot Americans and traitors to the US?[/quote] This. You've gotta remember; when the constitution was written, there wasn't small mobile killing machines easily accessible to every average joe. Also, people kill people; however, it's the guns that allow people to kill other people in large amounts. After all, you don't here about mass killings by an attacker who was barehanded.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 22:32:15 GMT -5
Who shall we blame this time guys? Video games? Music? TV? Thinking about this irritates me.
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Post by Codesters on Jan 10, 2013 22:44:00 GMT -5
Firearms dont kill people. People kill people. If someone misspells a word they don't blame the pencil. Being ex-military, you rarely ever see military personnel "snap" and begin murdering innocent civilians with firearms. What should be looked into more extensively in my opinion, is mental health checks and reform. Not of just those who own firearms, but everyone in general. Our mental health care that is provided to us as American citizens is not adequate. Yeah, that never happens. Except I live near DC and we had the DC sniper, an ex-military guy, so I have already had to deal with that crap. Once was enough - I don't give a rat's ass about it happening "rarely." I would be happy if no one had guns and they were illegal for everyone. I'm not paranoid about the government like some of these folks are. It's a clear violation of the 2nd Amendment. We have the right to defend ourselves against all enemies foreign and domestic. Hand in hand we have the right to defend ourselves against an unjust government. It doesn't say that anywhere in the 2nd Amendment - that is just your interpretation of it. The vague wording of it is problematic to me. I'm sure the Founding Fathers were not thinking about people buying assault rifles at Wal-Mart when they wrote it. And isn't fighting against the government treason? What is the fine line between people who are Patriot Americans and traitors to the US? So, once again you're advocating that firearms should be banned. Good luck disarming every person who owns a firearm in the United States. (there is an estimated 300 million firearms in circulation by the way.) It just doesnt seem possible to me. And on top of that, the only people who would surrender their firearms would be law abiding citizens. But maybe recidivist criminals with illegal owned firearms will turn theirs in too, right? I mean they obviously abide by federal law as it is. If guns are taken away, the only people who will no longer have any will be the good guys. The cold hard truth is that it is impossible to take every firearm away from every person. There must be a different solution to consider. And one more thing. Youre not possibly implying I'm traitorous are you? Thats an honest question because Im not sure what you were implying with that sentence.
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Post by Codesters on Jan 10, 2013 22:48:09 GMT -5
It's a clear violation of the 2nd Amendment. We have the right to defend ourselves against all enemies foreign and domestic. Hand in hand we have the right to defend ourselves against an unjust government. It doesn't say that anywhere in the 2nd Amendment - that is just your interpretation of it. The vague wording of it is problematic to me. I'm sure the Founding Fathers were not thinking about people buying assault rifles at Wal-Mart when they wrote it. And isn't fighting against the government treason? What is the fine line between people who are Patriot Americans and traitors to the US? Yes, people use firearms to kill others. They've also used fertilizer. So I guess that should be taken away as well. My point being is there is no method capable of taking every single firearm out of every single person who owns one's possession. The state I live in doesnt even make it mandatory to register your firearms, so how would they know who owned one? Banning firearms is not going to change anything.
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Post by Ben on Jan 10, 2013 23:07:48 GMT -5
the nra sucks.
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Post by BCizzle on Jan 11, 2013 0:17:32 GMT -5
And one more thing. Youre not possibly implying I'm traitorous are you? Thats an honest question because Im not sure what you were implying with that sentence. I wasn't talking about you in particular. I was just wondering about the people who say they would not give up their guns and would take up arms to defend their right to have guns. If guns WERE outlawed, wouldn't those people behavior's be un-American? The second amendment was an amendment, a change or alteration to the Constitution. The 18th amendment outlawed alcohol - the 21st changed it back to being legal. I'm not sure why people cling so much to a change to the Constitution - why can't it be changed again? The world has changed. Are we never going to have another amendment? Some of the amendments don't even apply to modern day society. I'm sure there was opposition to all the amendments that we do have. Abolition of slavery, blacks voting, women voting - there were plenty of people opposed to those things back in those days - now we take them as a given, and opposition to them would be ridiculed. Interesting times we live in. Sadly, tragically violent as well.
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Post by BCizzle on Jan 11, 2013 0:20:17 GMT -5
Who shall we blame this time guys? Video games? Music? TV? Thinking about this irritates me. Yeah, it pisses me off, too. I like folks who blame anything EXCEPT guns for gun violence. I guess I blame Marilyn Manson. How many video games were used to kill someone in the past year? I'm guessing the answer is zero, unless someone was bludgeoned with a game case or had their neck slit with a broken disc. Apparently this kid was bullied. I wonder when bullies are going to realize that sometimes their actions provoke others into doing horrible things, and they should knock it the hell off. I guess if you kick a dog enough it's going to bite. I'm not saying they should - I'm saying they will. Then again, Vince McMahon has his phony anti-bullying campaign when he's one of the biggest bullies of the modern era.
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Post by Codesters on Jan 11, 2013 0:30:08 GMT -5
Who shall we blame this time guys? Video games? Music? TV? Thinking about this irritates me. Yeah, it pisses me off, too. I like folks who blame anything EXCEPT guns for gun violence. I guess I blame Marilyn Manson. How many video games were used to kill someone in the past year? I'm guessing the answer is zero, unless someone was bludgeoned with a game case or had their neck slit with a broken disc. Apparently this kid was bullied. I wonder when bullies are going to realize that sometimes their actions provoke others into doing horrible things, and they should knock it the hell off. I guess if you kick a dog enough it's going to bite. I'm not saying they should - I'm saying they will. Then again, Vince McMahon has his phony anti-bullying campaign when he's one of the biggest bullies of the modern era. This is the point I was trying to get across. If firearms were outlawed, a disgruntled, bullied teenager who has mental insufficiencies would find another mean of committing a violent crime. Violence can be committed in many various ways. Dylan Kleobold and Eric Harris had set propane bombs to explode in the cafeteria prior to the shooting. Fortunately they werent rigged correctly but if they had ignited they would have killed many more people than their shooting rampage had. This is just my opinion, Im not attempting to pick a fight or come off as an instigator, but I personally feel safer knowing I own firearms and I have my concealed carry permit. Even if it just serves as piece of mind.
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Post by 1992 on Jan 11, 2013 0:37:07 GMT -5
Holy crap guns are starting to cause problems amongst our society?
We need to outlaw them and make them illegal to resolve this issue. Hopefully they'll make rape, theft, Heroine, and drinking and driving illegal too, those things are starting to get on my nerves too.
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Post by Parchandri on Jan 11, 2013 0:37:28 GMT -5
I just threw up from a fallacy overload.
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Post by K Dot on Jan 11, 2013 0:44:11 GMT -5
A 16 year old?!! jesus christ 'murica, get your crap together.
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Post by slappy on Jan 11, 2013 1:19:52 GMT -5
Oh the second amendment only meant muskets or guns during the time of the Founders. I guess that means no free speech then for the internet or television since the Founders had no idea about those two things. According to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports: Crime in the United States Table 1, violent crimes in the US have dropped by nearly 50% in the last twenty years. In 1992, there were 757.7 violent crimes per 100,000 people. In 2011, there were only 386.3 violent crimes per 100,000 people. That’s a reduction of 49%. In 1992 there were nearly 222 million guns in the US. In 2011 there were nearly 270 million guns in the US. Look at that. Guns went up and violence has gone down.
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