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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Feb 12, 2013 12:30:09 GMT -5
You were very interested in arguing until you were proven wrong and to be a hypocrite. but you have a good day sir. How do you figure? Posting my opinion means I'm interested in arguing? Yeah... and about me being proven "wrong", I wasn't proven wrong, we could go back and forth all day with both sides making good points. I'm sorry, I just can't be bothered with that nonsense right now. And how am I a hypocrite?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 12:46:52 GMT -5
I like how Cobra has yet to address the point made about Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Feb 12, 2013 12:57:28 GMT -5
I like how Cobra has yet to address the point made about Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. I didn't bother to address it because it was a worthless and invalid point that wasn't worth my time. Those men did what they did for their own purposes not in the name of atheism unlike these people that do what they do in the name of god.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 13:04:21 GMT -5
At least you voiced your opinion.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Feb 12, 2013 13:24:34 GMT -5
At least you voiced your opinion. Thank you. It's good to have an opinion appreciated instead of bashed for once.
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on Feb 12, 2013 13:32:06 GMT -5
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Post by BigEvilNerd on Feb 12, 2013 16:46:56 GMT -5
The argument about Stalin, Mao etc. being 'nonbelievers' is just dumb. Disbelief in a higher power is one ancillary part of the communist philosophy they believed in, but they'd have been some brutal mother ers even if they believed in a god. I'm consistently fascinated by the idea espoused by theists that religion and all its dogma is the one thing, standing like the rock of Gibraltar, standing between the human race and a complete disintegration into hedonism, crime, and debauchery. Seems to me if you're teetering so close to the edge of being a murderous criminal that the only thing keeping you law-abiding is some holy book, there's a problem there.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Feb 12, 2013 16:57:11 GMT -5
The argument about Stalin, Mao etc. being 'nonbelievers' is just dumb. Disbelief in a higher power is one ancillary part of the communist philosophy they believed in, but they'd have been some brutal mother ers even if they believed in a god. I'm consistently fascinated by the idea espoused by theists that religion and all its dogma is the one thing, standing like the rock of Gibraltar, standing between the human race and a complete disintegration into hedonism, crime, and debauchery. Seems to me if you're teetering so close to the edge of being a murderous criminal that the only thing keeping you law-abiding is some holy book, there's a problem there. Well said.
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Post by slappy on Feb 12, 2013 17:23:07 GMT -5
You were very interested in arguing until you were proven wrong and to be a hypocrite. but you have a good day sir. How do you figure? Posting my opinion means I'm interested in arguing? Yeah... and about me being proven "wrong", I wasn't proven wrong, we could go back and forth all day with both sides making good points. I'm sorry, I just can't be bothered with that nonsense right now. And how am I a hypocrite? You were proven wrong. I mean look at the picture you posted about the bible quote about strength. I proved that you cherry picked it and took it completely out of context. lol at the argument that the atheist mass murderers would have been just as bad if they were religious. That's not even a real argument.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Feb 12, 2013 17:33:27 GMT -5
How do you figure? Posting my opinion means I'm interested in arguing? Yeah... and about me being proven "wrong", I wasn't proven wrong, we could go back and forth all day with both sides making good points. I'm sorry, I just can't be bothered with that nonsense right now. And how am I a hypocrite? You were proven wrong. I mean look at the picture you posted about the bible quote about strength. I proved that you cherry picked it and took it completely out of context. lol at the argument that the atheist mass murderers would have been just as bad if they were religious. That's not even a real argument. It was never a real argument to begin with. And I didn't cherry pick anything, I found that pic on fb and thought it was funny. I don't see how that proves me wrong as my initial statement was about religion needing to go, not about the pope or whatever. So what exactly did you prove me wrong about?
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Post by slappy on Feb 12, 2013 17:41:14 GMT -5
You were proven wrong. I mean look at the picture you posted about the bible quote about strength. I proved that you cherry picked it and took it completely out of context. lol at the argument that the atheist mass murderers would have been just as bad if they were religious. That's not even a real argument. It was never a real argument to begin with. And I didn't cherry pick anything, I found that pic on fb and thought it was funny. I don't see how that proves me wrong as my initial statement was about religion needing to go, not about the pope or whatever. So what exactly did you prove me wrong about? Again, it's a real argument to say groups like the KKK and WBC represent their religion but it's not a real argument to say Stalin and Mao represent no religion? You are being such a hypocrite. It's not even funny because it's wrong. You don't even research it to see if it's right. It fits your cherry picking and stereotypes so you posted it. You said that religion was detrimental to progress and change yet I showed you that it was a Catholic man that came up with the Big Bang Theory. MLK made progress and change and he was very religious. Most of the civil rights bills were a product of MLK and others who were very religious. You have this stereotype of religion and religious people and it's clearly wrong. You cherry pick a few bad eggs and blame the entire religion for it. That's just wrong. As I said I guess white people as a whole are the worst ever because of Hitler, the KKK and WBC. Would you agree?
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Post by k5 on Feb 12, 2013 17:46:17 GMT -5
it's a widely known and non disputed fact that more people have been killed in the name of the christian god than for any other reason.
religion can be used as a tool of control and often is. just look at the amish people. young girls raped by their elder grandfathers because "he said it to be."
do these facts make religion entirely digressive and damaging? absolutely not. great acts of kindness are made through religion every day. but it is to be noted what religion can be and what it can do.
just look at half of the american south, convinced that they have a role in other people's sexual choices. religion has made judging these lifestyles not just acceptable but expected and encouraged. pure evil.
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Post by k5 on Feb 12, 2013 17:51:25 GMT -5
As I said I guess white people as a whole are the worst ever because of Hitler, the KKK and WBC. Would you agree? i don't know where you're going with that, as if you were to consider what race has and continues to be the most damaging force to human kind and the world itself, it's very clearly the white man. sure, not all white people committed acts of human cruelty, but we live the life that those people killed for. whatever good we do can only be accomplished through the power our pain inflicted created. the blood is not off our hands.
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Post by Edge618 on Feb 12, 2013 18:01:39 GMT -5
Church/Religion needs to stay the hell out of Schools. As a gay male myself, I refuse to go to church for the fact they preach hate. Church is suppose to be about God and his love. Now it's turning from that to nothing but hate. I feel I absolutely have a purpose, and people who dislike/bash gays are the ones who need a reality check because my life affects them that much. If you cannot accept someones gay, then thats your issue. If you can't let it go and you need to go on and on about it, then you need to check your pathetic life. Religion does not belong in Schools, the work place, government and what not. Religion belongs in Church, and in your home if your religious, thats it.God created all... in HIS IMAGINE. I'm gay, congrats. He made me that way, he brought my significant other into my life almost three years ago. If he hated gays, he would of removed them from the earth a long time ago. He blesses me everyday with fantastic people and a great life. Like it or not. I do believe in God, but I refuse to believe the bullcrap thats spewed at church. Some churches are a cult in my honest opinion. Not all churches are like that, find one that works for you. Don't NOT go to church for the reasons you stated. Find one that works and make it OK for gay people to go to church. If you don't fight for your right to go to a church now then it will be the same for future generations. No one should feel like they can't go to church. And I do understand that a lot of churches make gay people feel that way. But gay people need to fight for themselves if they want to go to church, and it will be hard, but somebody has to do it now if its ever going to change.
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Post by slappy on Feb 12, 2013 18:02:08 GMT -5
it's a widely known and non disputed fact that more people have been killed in the name of the christian god than for any other reason. religion can be used as a tool of control and often is. just look at the amish people. young girls raped by their elder grandfathers because "he said it to be." do these facts make religion entirely digressive and damaging? absolutely not. great acts of kindness are made through religion every day. but it is to be noted what religion can be and what it can do. just look at half of the american south, convinced that they have a role in other people's sexual choices. religion has made judging these lifestyles not just acceptable but expected and encouraged. pure evil. Where do you get that "non disputed fact"? How do you classify killing in the name of the Christian God? Those people are perverting religion. They are not the be all end all of religious people. You can't judge a billion people by the actions of a few like the Amish you cited. The people who use their religion as a tool of oppression are misrepresenting what their religion is about. They have a viewpoint and make their religion fit it instead of having their viewpoint fit their religion. What I'm saying with reference to white people is that you cannot judge the terrible actions of people many years ago and say that represents people today. Sure, some do wish to continue those terrible travesties but they are in the minority. The same with religion. A small minority is what wishes to continue any terrible things done in the name of their religion even if their religion does not sanction what they are doing.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Feb 12, 2013 18:06:14 GMT -5
it's a widely known and non disputed fact that more people have been killed in the name of the christian god than for any other reason. religion can be used as a tool of control and often is. just look at the amish people. young girls raped by their elder grandfathers because "he said it to be." do these facts make religion entirely digressive and damaging? absolutely not. great acts of kindness are made through religion every day. but it is to be noted what religion can be and what it can do. just look at half of the american south, convinced that they have a role in other people's sexual choices. religion has made judging these lifestyles not just acceptable but expected and encouraged. pure evil. If you're going to make a post about why you don't like religion, this is how to do it. Not trying to tell anyone how to talk, but there's a way to get your point across without sounding or looking as ignorant as CC did earlier. Thank you K5, I cannot deny any of that. But I must say that in my time on this Earth, I can say that I've used my love for God in the most positive way possible. I can also say that in my time, I've seen people use their religion to accomplish good and bad things. But that's just the world we live in. If not done with religion, it would be and has been done with political ideologies. It all comes down to what people want out of it. (I'm speaking generally here to don't take this personal.) Don't like it? That's fine, voice your opinion. We all have the right to. But understand the weight of your words when you walk up to someone and try to tell them that the very set of values that they've based their lives upon is a load of oppressive horse sh**. Yep. That's the same feeling you get when the Jehova's witness show up on your door step. That's the same feeling you get when someone tells you to you need God in your life. Just think about it.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Feb 12, 2013 18:43:26 GMT -5
it's a widely known and non disputed fact that more people have been killed in the name of the christian god than for any other reason. religion can be used as a tool of control and often is. just look at the amish people. young girls raped by their elder grandfathers because "he said it to be." do these facts make religion entirely digressive and damaging? absolutely not. great acts of kindness are made through religion every day. but it is to be noted what religion can be and what it can do. just look at half of the american south, convinced that they have a role in other people's sexual choices. religion has made judging these lifestyles not just acceptable but expected and encouraged. pure evil. If you're going to make a post about why you don't like religion, this is how to do it. Not trying to tell anyone how to talk, but there's a way to get your point across without sounding or looking as ignorant as CC did earlier. Thank you K5, I cannot deny any of that. But I must say that in my time on this Earth, I can say that I've used my love for God in the most positive way possible. I can also say that in my time, I've seen people use their religion to accomplish good and bad things. But that's just the world we live in. If not done with religion, it would be and has been done with political ideologies. It all comes down to what people want out of it. (I'm speaking generally here to don't take this personal.) Don't like it? That's fine, voice your opinion. We all have the right to. But understand the weight of your words when you walk up to someone and try to tell them that the very set of values that they've based their lives upon is a load of oppressive horse sh**. Yep. That's the same feeling you get when the Jehova's witness show up on your door step. That's the same feeling you get when someone tells you to you need God in your life. Just think about it. Boy, you really have it out for me because of my anti-religion campaign. What you need to understand is that I don't hate religion just for the sake of hating religion, for me it's on a much more personal level. Having been a former brainwashed Christian, I have personal experience and reason for feeling the way I do. Am I brash and opinionated when it comes to religion? Yes, but I really don't give a . And Slappy, who the are you to determine what's right and what's wrong with what I said? I will bash and flame religion as much as I please because I truly hate it with every fiber of my being. Religion is just worthless nonsense and contributes nothing to society. The Catholic Slappy mentioned that came up with the big bang theory, how is that relevant? The man came up with the theory, not Catholicism. Why the hell would you give credit to the religion when it was just one man who did it on his own? Catholicism contributed nothing to his discovery. Oh and a Jesuit invented hyper text? Whoopde ing doo. Again, the Jesuit faith contributed nothing to this invention, so I fail to see your point.
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Post by k5 on Feb 12, 2013 18:49:03 GMT -5
Where do you get that "non disputed fact"? How do you classify killing in the name of the Christian God? i’ve heard it all my life, read it in various forms, and read it disputed in various pro-god forms. obviously this does not validate it, but i don’t feel like searching around the internet for the one source. i think we can leave it that while i cannot say with absolute proof that religion is the main source of human suffering, it is and has been a major one. i’ll also acknowledge that at the same time, religion has sourced tremendous relief for some from pain. okay first off, perhaps you should consider being a priest as you keep trying to push your opinion off as fact. rather those people are perverting religion or not is completely up to opinion. i personally find religion naturally to be perverse, so of course the actions resulted by those in power will be too. but that’s just my opinion. secondly, i go on to make the exact point of that you cannot judge the entire concept of religion through these select acts of human cruelty. religion inarguably has it’s positive aspects and effects. so why you felt the need to inform me of that same point i am unsure. completely debatable. the endless priests that have taken advantage of their positions, the lure of the ‘virgin mary’, the white jesus. all these symbols of sex, death, potency. how religion has controlled the written word and literally rewriting history to it’s own ends. witch burnings. i’d argue that religion in itself employs a role of duty so powerful that obviously misinterpretations would arise ‘carrying out god’s word’. pretty clear example of it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ervil_LeBaron i’d still disagree with that. as i said, we are living the lives the destruction from our ancestors created. every luxury vehicle out there while people are starving throughout the world. sitting back on our couches as we watch tragedy in libera, if we bother to even watch it before flicking it back to charlie sheen. those that ignore are just as bad as those that do the actions. we all lie back and watch the world suffer, claiming whatever we want to get out of any moral responsibility, but it all boils down back to us ruling the world. and we do. and we enjoy it while others die for our suffering. plain and simple.
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Post by k5 on Feb 12, 2013 18:51:00 GMT -5
it's a widely known and non disputed fact that more people have been killed in the name of the christian god than for any other reason. religion can be used as a tool of control and often is. just look at the amish people. young girls raped by their elder grandfathers because "he said it to be." do these facts make religion entirely digressive and damaging? absolutely not. great acts of kindness are made through religion every day. but it is to be noted what religion can be and what it can do. just look at half of the american south, convinced that they have a role in other people's sexual choices. religion has made judging these lifestyles not just acceptable but expected and encouraged. pure evil. If you're going to make a post about why you don't like religion, this is how to do it. Not trying to tell anyone how to talk, but there's a way to get your point across without sounding or looking as ignorant as CC did earlier. Thank you K5, I cannot deny any of that. But I must say that in my time on this Earth, I can say that I've used my love for God in the most positive way possible. I can also say that in my time, I've seen people use their religion to accomplish good and bad things. But that's just the world we live in. If not done with religion, it would be and has been done with political ideologies. It all comes down to what people want out of it. (I'm speaking generally here to don't take this personal.) Don't like it? That's fine, voice your opinion. We all have the right to. But understand the weight of your words when you walk up to someone and try to tell them that the very set of values that they've based their lives upon is a load of oppressive horse sh**. Yep. That's the same feeling you get when the Jehova's witness show up on your door step. That's the same feeling you get when someone tells you to you need God in your life. Just think about it. kudos to you as well, and i have great respect for your dedication.
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Post by slappy on Feb 12, 2013 20:17:16 GMT -5
And Slappy, who the are you to determine what's right and what's wrong with what I said? I will bash and flame religion as much as I please because I truly hate it with every fiber of my being. Religion is just worthless nonsense and contributes nothing to society. The Catholic Slappy mentioned that came up with the big bang theory, how is that relevant? The man came up with the theory, not Catholicism. Why the hell would you give credit to the religion when it was just one man who did it on his own? Catholicism contributed nothing to his discovery. Oh and a Jesuit invented hyper text? Whoopde ing doo. Again, the Jesuit faith contributed nothing to this invention, so I fail to see your point. HAHAHAHAHAHA Why give credit to the religion for a Catholic coming up with the Big Bang Theory? Why demonize a religion for a Christian who hates (KKK, WBC)? So I can't credit a man for the good thing he did and have it reflect on his religion but you can credit a group for a bad thing they did and have it reflect their religion. Such a ing hypocrite. I do remember when you first became an atheist you made a huge deal about it in a thread you created saying you wouldn't be like other atheists who hate on religious people and even for a short time after you'd defend religion saying that Christianity was being oppressed in countries like China. Don't know what made you change.
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