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Post by Prophet of Ash on Apr 11, 2013 17:24:09 GMT -5
You would think a community based around wrestling, which has almost identical parallels to the punk scene in regards to drugs, would be more understanding about what straight edge is and why people embrace it.
How many wrestlers from the 80s & 90s are dead now, way before their time, due to drugs and alcohol abuse? How many cases are there like Scott Hall, The Iron Sheik, Jake Roberts.. of guys who have flushed their legacy and ruined themselves for their vices? To me, straight edge is making a point to avoid that. To see the harm that drugs and alcohol do to your body and to your health long term and know it's not a good idea. It's the exact same basis that the punk movement of the 80s was formed on.
I've been heavily involved in punk & wrestling for years and I've seen so many of my heroes die it almost doesn't even effect me any more.. And that's sad.
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Post by noir on Apr 11, 2013 19:24:24 GMT -5
You would think a community based around wrestling, which has almost identical parallels to the punk scene in regards to drugs, would be more understanding about what straight edge is and why people embrace it. How many wrestlers from the 80s & 90s are dead now, way before their time, due to drugs and alcohol abuse? How many cases are there like Scott Hall, The Iron Sheik, Jake Roberts.. of guys who have flushed their legacy and ruined themselves for their vices? To me, straight edge is making a point to avoid that. To see the harm that drugs and alcohol do to your body and to your health long term and know it's not a good idea. It's the exact same basis that the punk movement of the 80s was formed on. I've been heavily involved in punk & wrestling for years and I've seen so many of my heroes die it almost doesn't even effect me any more.. And that's sad. Abuse. The key word is abuse. How many people live long, healthy lives and use alcohol or drugs (wisely) to have a great time with friends and alter their perceptions once in a while? On a similar note, how many people abstain from alcohol and don't even know what straight edge is? fact is if you're on these message boards, you probably didn't live through the cultural Punk movement of the 1980's. I don't see why it's something to be so proud or self righteous about either way. You know what's super, super bad for you? Processed meat. Maybe people should start getting a witty slogan for that tattooed on them. No wait, that's ridiculous.
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Post by slappy on Apr 11, 2013 19:27:05 GMT -5
You would think a community based around wrestling, which has almost identical parallels to the punk scene in regards to drugs, would be more understanding about what straight edge is and why people embrace it. How many wrestlers from the 80s & 90s are dead now, way before their time, due to drugs and alcohol abuse? How many cases are there like Scott Hall, The Iron Sheik, Jake Roberts.. of guys who have flushed their legacy and ruined themselves for their vices? To me, straight edge is making a point to avoid that. To see the harm that drugs and alcohol do to your body and to your health long term and know it's not a good idea. It's the exact same basis that the punk movement of the 80s was formed on. I've been heavily involved in punk & wrestling for years and I've seen so many of my heroes die it almost doesn't even effect me any more.. And that's sad. Abuse. The key word is abuse. How many people live long, healthy lives and use alcohol or drugs (wisely) to have a great time with friends and alter their perceptions once in a while? On a similar note, how many people abstain from alcohol and don't even know what straight edge is? fact is if you're on these message boards, you probably didn't live through the cultural Punk movement of the 1980's. I don't see why it's something to be so proud or self righteous about either way. You know what's super, super bad for you? Processed meat. Maybe people should start getting a witty slogan for that tattooed on them. No wait, that's ridiculous. I don't see why straight edge offends you so much.
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Post by noir on Apr 11, 2013 19:43:19 GMT -5
It's just so silly and preachy to me. Everyone I've met who was straight edge seems to have this holier than thou attitude.
Also, lots of people seem to be that way on this board for some reason so I'm just playing devil's advocate.
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Post by slappy on Apr 11, 2013 19:45:24 GMT -5
It's just so silly and preachy to me. Everyone I've met who was straight edge seems to have this holier than thou attitude. Also, lots of people seem to be that way on this board for someone so I'm just playing devil's advocate. Is there any group where there isn't a stereotype of their adherents being holier than thou or preachy?
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Post by noir on Apr 11, 2013 19:49:25 GMT -5
It's just so silly and preachy to me. Everyone I've met who was straight edge seems to have this holier than thou attitude. Also, lots of people seem to be that way on this board for someone so I'm just playing devil's advocate. Is there any group where there isn't a stereotype of their adherents being holier than thou or preachy? Fair point, but then we go back to that argument of straight edge not really being something to be proud of. Like, I totally get being passionate about politics/ equality/ sexuality etc. but choosing not to do drugs? it just strikes me as such a trivial thing to have such a wide outspoken community behind it.
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Post by slappy on Apr 11, 2013 19:55:29 GMT -5
Is there any group where there isn't a stereotype of their adherents being holier than thou or preachy? Fair point, but then we go back to that argument of straight edge not really being something to be proud of. Like, I totally get being passionate about politics/ equality/ sexuality etc. but choosing not to do drugs? it just strikes me as such a trivial thing to have such a wide outspoken community behind it. When you are involved in a culture like punk music (or as someone else mentioned, wrestling) drugs are/were a way of life so to not do them was counterculture. When society as a whole glorifies the use of those things then it is something to live your life not falling to those vices.
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Post by Sam Hain on Apr 11, 2013 19:58:01 GMT -5
I'm Straight Edge. I never talk about it. I'm not an elitist. All of my friends drink, some smoke, big deal. I made the decision for myself and for my future kids. Addiction and substance issues run rampant in my family, and that stops with me. My kids will never even know it was an issue. That's why I do what I do. I'm very proud of it. Same here. All of my uncles are alcoholics, my wife's family is filled with alcoholics that abused their kids, and I have never wanted to live that life. I've lost friends over it, but I have always believed that my choice was the right one. I don't preach to people unless they ask my opinion, but at the same time, I let them have theirs. To me, it's a very private and personal choice.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Apr 12, 2013 7:38:46 GMT -5
You would think a community based around wrestling, which has almost identical parallels to the punk scene in regards to drugs, would be more understanding about what straight edge is and why people embrace it. How many wrestlers from the 80s & 90s are dead now, way before their time, due to drugs and alcohol abuse? How many cases are there like Scott Hall, The Iron Sheik, Jake Roberts.. of guys who have flushed their legacy and ruined themselves for their vices? To me, straight edge is making a point to avoid that. To see the harm that drugs and alcohol do to your body and to your health long term and know it's not a good idea. It's the exact same basis that the punk movement of the 80s was formed on. I've been heavily involved in punk & wrestling for years and I've seen so many of my heroes die it almost doesn't even effect me any more.. And that's sad. Abuse. The key word is abuse. How many people live long, healthy lives and use alcohol or drugs (wisely) to have a great time with friends and alter their perceptions once in a while? On a similar note, how many people abstain from alcohol and don't even know what straight edge is? fact is if you're on these message boards, you probably didn't live through the cultural Punk movement of the 1980's. I don't see why it's something to be so proud or self righteous about either way. You know what's super, super bad for you? Processed meat. Maybe people should start getting a witty slogan for that tattooed on them. No wait, that's ridiculous. Don't get me started on the "processed food" thing. That is the most ridiculous and asinine thing I've ever heard in my entire life. If I pull a carrot out of the ground, wash it, chop it up and eat it, I've processed it. If I kill some animal, cut the meat off their bones and cook it over a campfire, I've processed it. But somehow that's ok and any other form of "processing" is bad. It's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in my life. Anyway, the "proud of being straight edge" thing is just a counter culture thing. That's all it is. The culture has shifted. Once upon a time, drugs and alcohol were bad and people were taught to just say no. The counter-culture movement at the time was people who did drink and did do drugs (often to excess). Nowadays we have drug and alcohol references in our magazines, our speech, our video games, our TV shows, our movies, etc..... Doing drugs and drinking is the social norm. So the counter-culture is to rebel by not doing either. It's just the pendulum swinging the other way.
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Post by noir on Apr 12, 2013 9:06:51 GMT -5
When you are involved in a culture like punk music (or as someone else mentioned, wrestling) drugs are/were a way of life so to not do them was counterculture. When society as a whole glorifies the use of those things then it is something to live your life not falling to those vices. I can see that. In all fairness, it's probably because I've never personally witnessed drugs or alcohol screw up someone's life. Even the people I know who go heavy on that stuff live normal and good lives, which I TOTALLY get isn't always the case. I would still question how many of these so-called straight edge kids are genuinely surrounded in that lifestyle, and how many are just suburbanites looking to make themselves different but yeah I'm totally starting to see where you guys are coming from. Don't get me started on the "processed food" thing. That is the most ridiculous and asinine thing I've ever heard in my entire life. If I pull a carrot out of the ground, wash it, chop it up and eat it, I've processed it. If I kill some animal, cut the meat off their bones and cook it over a campfire, I've processed it. But somehow that's ok and any other form of "processing" is bad. It's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in my life. I'm very proud of you for knowing what a 'process' is but processed meat is a term used for meat which has been altered in the manufacturing process to change it's colour, longevity, taste etc. (basically all the uses a supermarket would have for it). Unless you are killing said animal and then preparing it with sodium nitrite, you probably aren't processing it. It's not an asinine argument at all because the health issues of these kinds of meats are pretty shocking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 9:38:26 GMT -5
I smoke rocks.
Lol jk.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Apr 12, 2013 10:07:08 GMT -5
When you are involved in a culture like punk music (or as someone else mentioned, wrestling) drugs are/were a way of life so to not do them was counterculture. When society as a whole glorifies the use of those things then it is something to live your life not falling to those vices. I can see that. In all fairness, it's probably because I've never personally witnessed drugs or alcohol screw up someone's life. Even the people I know who go heavy on that stuff live normal and good lives, which I TOTALLY get isn't always the case. I would still question how many of these so-called straight edge kids are genuinely surrounded in that lifestyle, and how many are just suburbanites looking to make themselves different but yeah I'm totally starting to see where you guys are coming from. Don't get me started on the "processed food" thing. That is the most ridiculous and asinine thing I've ever heard in my entire life. If I pull a carrot out of the ground, wash it, chop it up and eat it, I've processed it. If I kill some animal, cut the meat off their bones and cook it over a campfire, I've processed it. But somehow that's ok and any other form of "processing" is bad. It's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in my life. I'm very proud of you for knowing what a 'process' is but processed meat is a term used for meat which has been altered in the manufacturing process to change it's colour, longevity, taste etc. (basically all the uses a supermarket would have for it). Unless you are killing said animal and then preparing it with sodium nitrite, you probably aren't processing it. It's not an asinine argument at all because the health issues of these kinds of meats are pretty shocking. Completely different thread, but the science is in and food additives are not dangerous. I'm sure there are people who have various reactions to them, but that's the exception. Whatever you want to believe though. Completely different thread. Any way, I'm a bit surprised you don't know anyone who's life has been destroyed by drugs/alcohol. I assumed in todays society everyone knew someone. I have my entire mom's side of the family pretty much. All of them are drunk and use various drugs. They can't hold a job. My uncles are in their 50s and STILL live with their mom because none of the three of them are capable of supporting themselves and their alcoholism and drug habits. When my great grandmother passed away they showed up at the funeral reeking of alcohol and having a hard time standing up. No thanks.
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Post by KRAYZIE BONE on Apr 12, 2013 10:30:45 GMT -5
People are aware of the negative consequences of abusing substances, so I as someone with sense, cant be "proud" that I choose not to do something that I know is outright bad for me. To me its simply common sense. But that's just me, again.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Apr 12, 2013 13:45:00 GMT -5
Abuse. The key word is abuse. How many people live long, healthy lives and use alcohol or drugs (wisely) to have a great time with friends and alter their perceptions once in a while? On a similar note, how many people abstain from alcohol and don't even know what straight edge is? fact is if you're on these message boards, you probably didn't live through the cultural Punk movement of the 1980's. I don't see why it's something to be so proud or self righteous about either way. You know what's super, super bad for you? Processed meat. Maybe people should start getting a witty slogan for that tattooed on them. No wait, that's ridiculous. Don't get me started on the "processed food" thing. That is the most ridiculous and asinine thing I've ever heard in my entire life. If I pull a carrot out of the ground, wash it, chop it up and eat it, I've processed it. If I kill some animal, cut the meat off their bones and cook it over a campfire, I've processed it. But somehow that's ok and any other form of "processing" is bad. It's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in my life. Are you serious? Cut up carrots and cooked meat are definitely not the same kind of processed as cheese whiz, Dorito's, Oreo's or hot dogs. Bad processed food has some natural ingredients and the rest is artificial which is bad for you. Saying that a cut up carrot is the same kind of processed as the food I mentioned is absurd. Totally not the same.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Apr 12, 2013 16:00:04 GMT -5
Thing is people lived drug and alcohol free for years before the "straight edge" movement came along. No one cared. Now it's suddenly a big deal.
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Post by nikesandtoys on Apr 12, 2013 16:20:43 GMT -5
the way i see it, do as you please.. if you want to label yourself, then so be it. just do what you want and if somebody knocks you for it then it's their problem..
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Post by KRAYZIE BONE on Apr 12, 2013 17:42:40 GMT -5
Thing is people lived drug and alcohol free for years before the "straight edge" movement came along. No one cared. Now it's suddenly a big deal. exactly. I look at it like I look at any other trendy fad.
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Post by slappy on Apr 12, 2013 17:48:55 GMT -5
Thing is people lived drug and alcohol free for years before the "straight edge" movement came along. No one cared. Now it's suddenly a big deal. exactly. I look at it like I look at any other trendy fad. What trendy fad has been going on for over 30 years?
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Apr 12, 2013 17:54:51 GMT -5
Some of you are still bringing up the elitist thing as if everyone is like that.
Go back to my first post in here.
I've had friends for years find out I'm straight edge years after we became friends. I don't feel like its a bragging point or anything, it's just the way I've decided to go about things. I get offered drinks all the time, I don't respond with "NO WAY BRO, TRUE TIL DEATH." I just say "Nah I'm good, thanks," or "got any water?"
There's elitists in every group. Snarky straight edge people are the equivalent to gay sitcom characters. Annoying, over the top, cartoons of what those people are actually like.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Apr 12, 2013 22:30:08 GMT -5
exactly. I look at it like I look at any other trendy fad. What trendy fad has been going on for over 30 years? It's been going on for more than 30 years. It's been going on since the dawn of time. There has always been a segment of the population who doesn't do drugs or drink. Quite a few religions practice this, Christian and non-Christian. It's nothing new. It's interesting that people think they are now rebelling by not doing drugs or drinking. To me that's what is fascinating about the whole thing.
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