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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Apr 12, 2013 21:22:04 GMT -5
As some may already know, SummerSlam 1993 was intended to be headlined by the first-ever encounter between Bret Hart and Hulk Hogan for the WWF title.
Bret confirmed that he and Hulk took part in a secret photo shoot for the event where the two engaged in a mock tug-of-war with the belt. However, backstage bickering between Vince and Hulk resulted in the match getting canned and Hogan leaving the company shortly thereafter.
Since first reading about this match, I have always thought about how much it would have drastically changed the WWF and how it would have affected the events that actually transpired that year.
Who wins?
One would think Bret because he was the face of the emerging "New Generation" and Hogan's status with the WWF, at the time, was on shaky legs. Still, everybody knows that Hulk was (and still is) a politicking machine behind the scenes. I have a hard time believing that he would easily agree to submit in the middle of the ring to the Sharpshooter.
What happens to Lex Luger?
With Yokozuna out of the title picture and Hogan still on board, I doubt Vince gives him the "Lex Express" push. Maybe "The Narcissist" character would have stayed around for a while longer and been given a run as a top heel.
What becomes of Yokozuna's title reign?
He might have suffered the most if this match happened. He beats Bret for the belt at WrestleMania IX, then gets squashed by Hogan. He reestablished his dominance by beating Hogan at King of the Ring, but without that rematch he would have looked incredibly weak. Out of the main event scene, would he have recovered from the embarrassing loss to Hulk?
This is obviously hypothetical, but I'd like to hear some of your thoughts about this proposed match and the ramifications it would have had on the entire company if it actually took place.
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 12, 2013 21:42:36 GMT -5
I have to be honest, I constantly hear Bret talk about how he was suppose to beat Hogan, suppose to beat Warrior, suppose to climb a building faster then King King blah blah blah...Is there anyone other then Bret (or a Hart Family member) that has ever backed up half the stuff Bret has spouted off that he was "suppose" to do? I mean, in theory, yea is sounds great to have "the next guy" beat Flair/Warrior/Savage/Hogan and "take their place" but logically it doesnt make any sense at all. The more I hear about Bret the more it makes me think he's living in his own little world. Again, if guys like Hogan, Warrior, McMahon, Patterson etc backed these claims up (which Ive never heard) I would have no problem going with it but it seems its always "Bret confirmed this" and "Bret said that" and there's never any factual proof of anything.
Sorry for the rant, its just something that's been stewing for some time and since the topic rose, I had to let it go LOL
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Post by inkboy83 on Apr 12, 2013 21:53:08 GMT -5
I have to be honest, I constantly hear Bret talk about how he was suppose to beat Hogan, suppose to beat Warrior, suppose to climb a building faster then King King blah blah blah...Is there anyone other then Bret (or a Hart Family member) that has ever backed up half the stuff Bret has spouted off that he was "suppose" to do? I mean, in theory, yea is sounds great to have "the next guy" beat Flair/Warrior/Savage/Hogan and "take their place" but logically it doesnt make any sense at all. The more I hear about Bret the more it makes me think he's living in his own little world. Again, if guys like Hogan, Warrior, McMahon, Patterson etc backed these claims up (which Ive never heard) I would have no problem going with it but it seems its always "Bret confirmed this" and "Bret said that" and there's never any factual proof of anything. Sorry for the rant, its just something that's been stewing for some time and since the topic rose, I had to let it go LOL I'm a big mark for Hitman, but I have to agree with you. I just don't see Hulk doing the job to Bret in that era. I see flair and savage doing the job.... But not Warrior or Hulk. |
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Post by A Flair for the Gold on Apr 12, 2013 22:11:29 GMT -5
I have to be honest, I constantly hear Bret talk about how he was suppose to beat Hogan, suppose to beat Warrior, suppose to climb a building faster then King King blah blah blah...Is there anyone other then Bret (or a Hart Family member) that has ever backed up half the stuff Bret has spouted off that he was "suppose" to do? I mean, in theory, yea is sounds great to have "the next guy" beat Flair/Warrior/Savage/Hogan and "take their place" but logically it doesnt make any sense at all. The more I hear about Bret the more it makes me think he's living in his own little world. Again, if guys like Hogan, Warrior, McMahon, Patterson etc backed these claims up (which Ive never heard) I would have no problem going with it but it seems its always "Bret confirmed this" and "Bret said that" and there's never any factual proof of anything. Sorry for the rant, its just something that's been stewing for some time and since the topic rose, I had to let it go LOL I'm a big mark for Hitman, but I have to agree with you. I just don't see Hulk doing the job to Bret in that era. I see flair and savage doing the job.... But not Warrior or Hulk. i agree with you two. savage and flair would have no problem putting bret over. but hogan and his ego i can see happening. but until someone else confirms this, bret's story is all heresay. hell, i think even warrior would have pissed and moaned until he didn't have to put bret over. and flair actually did put bret over. and i can only assume that macho man would. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 22:45:37 GMT -5
I'm a big mark for Hitman, but I have to agree with you. I just don't see Hulk doing the job to Bret in that era. I see flair and savage doing the job.... But not Warrior or Hulk. i agree with you two. savage and flair would have no problem putting bret over. but hogan and his ego i can see happening. but until someone else confirms this, bret's story is all heresay. hell, i think even warrior would have pissed and moaned until he didn't have to put bret over. and flair actually did put bret over. and i can only assume that macho man would.Macho did put Bret over, right after Wrestlemania 10 when they were touring Japan. There was an article about it in an old PWI magazine with the pictures of the match to prove it. I also believe there is a fan cam of it on dailymotion. It's not the best quality, but Savage did put him over in a 20 minute match. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 5:21:58 GMT -5
I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. Bret has never, ever proven to be a liar and you're just assuming he is based on absolutely nothing.
There are many factors that can be used to support what Bret is saying:
It's obvious at when you look at how things went, that things were supposed to go that way. Do you think Shawn or Razor would have been put in main event matches in PPVs in 92/93 if they had anyone else at the time? Shawn was the IC champion and Razor was still incredibly new. Had Warrior or Roberts left, isn't it obvious that those matches would have involved them?
Vinnie was going through the steroid trials at the time, putting the company on Bret's shoulders was the intelligent thing to do, and having him go over all the past stars was an excellent way to give him a head start.
Bret had already gone over Flair and Piper and it is well documented that Savage was originally penned to win the 93 Rumble.
Luger didn't get any kind of face push as "the next Hogan" UNTIL Hogan actually left after the King Of The Ring. Hogan was originally contracted through to 94.
I don't actually blame Hogan for leaving in a way. Vince was clearly going to try to sabotage him, much like he later did to Bret in 97.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 6:15:14 GMT -5
well Savage was meant to win RR93.it was changed day of.
on the topic of Hogan......I genuinely don't see him tapping out in the sharpshooter.no f*ckin way.the match was meant to happen but no way would it have ended that way.......I bet it would have looked like a fluke.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 7:15:18 GMT -5
well Savage was meant to win RR93.it was changed day of. on the topic of Hogan......I genuinely don't see him tapping out in the sharpshooter.no f*ckin way.the match was meant to happen but no way would it have ended that way.......I bet it would have looked like a fluke. I could see it having an ending like lots of Bret's other matches, where he manages to strap a pin on that Hogan can't quite kick out of in time. See vs Diesel (SS 95) vs Bulldog (both IYH and SS) vs Owen (WM 10) vs Bigelow, Hennig and Razor (KOTR) etc I don't think Bret ever said Hogan was going to tap out to the sharpshooter. From the sound of it, Vince/Hogan were playing war games with eachother and Vince changed it to a non-title match so Hogan wouldn't do it. What exactly was the point in Hogan putting Bret over if he had the title and it wasn't on the line? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 7:37:05 GMT -5
If I were booking things...
Bret vs. Hogan would main event SummerSlam 1993 and Hogan would tap like a bitch to the Sharpshooter.
Lex Luger and Yokozuna would jerk the curtain.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 7:42:08 GMT -5
yeah I didnt hear it stated anywhere that Hogan was gonna tap out in the sharpshooter either......I was just stating theres no way it would have gone down like that.
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Post by Butchers on Apr 13, 2013 8:43:45 GMT -5
The people that can back up what Bret has said is Vince or Hogan. They would be the guys that know what was said in a meeting between them. I don't think you'll ever here anything from Vince regarding backstage stuff and Hogan has told his side, which I know wasn't on the same lines as Bret. I would believe Bret over Hogan any day. I know that Hogan said he would lose to Yoko at KOTR and I think this was probably plan b, instead of losing to Bret at Summerslam. I always found it odd that Bret won the KOTR because he was champ just before and from then on, the KOTR was to help someone step up to the next level. It has been said it was given to Bret to please him because of Hogan not wanting to drop the belt to him. I don't think we'll ever find out fully.
Summerslam wouldn't have been much different IMO. Bret vs Hogan for the title. Luger vs Yoko as a normal match.
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Post by marino13 on Apr 13, 2013 9:07:15 GMT -5
In a perfect world: Hogan would have attempted a Leg Drop but Hart would have reversed it into a Sharpshooter. With Hogan tapping out after several agonizing & torturous (but glorious to me) minutes.
In the world we live in: Bret would have been forced to turn heel losing all his momentum. Hogan would have "no sold" any of Bret's offense. While in the Sharpshooter Hogan would have waived that stupid finger of his. Then ultimately Hulking out of the move with ease. And no matter how bad Hogan's back hurt he'd still be able to big boot & leg drop Bret with no ill effects. Then we would have all been treated to a 45 minutes post match celebration. Lucky us!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 9:30:14 GMT -5
LOL!!!your cracking me up today Marino.
I see the match finishing with a small package or some such and Hogan sitting up smiling with a "damn he got me" look on his face.
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 13, 2013 11:56:41 GMT -5
Bret Hart, like Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior and many others are nothing more then marks for themselves. Anyone that picks up a wrestlers book or watches a shoot and believes everything they hear/read is 100% naive. Lets look at a wide range of things. Lets deal with facts instead of hearsay. From 1987 to 1997, has there ever been any factual proof that Hogan was suppose to lay down for someone and refused??? Then answer, No. Im not counting some of these fools like Honky Tonk Man or Matt Borne that thinks Doink was suppose to main event Wrestlemania. Im talking Hogan, McMahon, writers, Pat Patterson etc? None. As fans we all "assume" that Hogan was suppose to drop the title to DiBiase or Savage but there never has been any actual proof of it. All we've heard was the DiBiase was originally suppose to win, Hogan (apparently) pushed for Savage, Savage got the Title and DiBiase got the Million Dollar Belt. Moving along, looking at that decade, who is the ONLY person we factually know refused to drop a belt and do a job to another wrestler? Here's a hint.....Bret Hart.
So we're left to believe that the one guy we can "trust" is the one guy that has refused to do what he's constantly bitched and whined about. Even contradicting himself as saying "I dont want to lose the belt tonight in Canada (Survivor Series) but Ill give it up the next night on Raw.....which was also in freaking Canada. Wrestlers, including Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan etc, are nothing but story tellers and years after they've retired I fully believe they're still making crap up to make themselves look better then they were.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 12:07:53 GMT -5
Bret Hart, like Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior and many others are nothing more then marks for themselves. Anyone that picks up a wrestlers book or watches a shoot and believes everything they hear/read is 100% naive. Lets look at a wide range of things. Lets deal with facts instead of hearsay. From 1987 to 1997, has there ever been any factual proof that Hogan was suppose to lay down for someone and refused??? Then answer, No. Im not counting some of these fools like Honky Tonk Man or Matt Borne that thinks Doink was suppose to main event Wrestlemania. Im talking Hogan, McMahon, writers, Pat Patterson etc? None. As fans we all "assume" that Hogan was suppose to drop the title to DiBiase or Savage but there never has been any actual proof of it. All we've heard was the DiBiase was originally suppose to win, Hogan (apparently) pushed for Savage, Savage got the Title and DiBiase got the Million Dollar Belt. Moving along, looking at that decade, who is the ONLY person we factually know refused to drop a belt and do a job to another wrestler? Here's a hint.....Bret Hart. So we're left to believe that the one guy we can "trust" is the one guy that has refused to do what he's constantly bitched and whined about. Even contradicting himself as saying "I dont want to lose the belt tonight in Canada (Survivor Series) but Ill give it up the next night on Raw.....which was also in freaking Canada. Wrestlers, including Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan etc, are nothing but story tellers and years after they've retired I fully believe they're still making crap up to make themselves look better then they were. You're painting a very one sided picture here and are completely ignoring the rest of the facts. The vast majority of Bret's peers have only good things to say about him, and I've never heard that he's dishonest from anyone. He's never covered up that he didn't want to put Shawn over either. He always tells it how it is. Hell, Shawn Michaels even thanked him for putting up with him during his retirement speech. In fact, outside of a few people siding with Vince over Montreal. The only time I've heard anyone trashing Bret was Flair trying to make out that he didn't draw. So you can pretty much chalk that one up to jealousy. Hogan on the other hand is frequently and consistently called a liar by a huge percentage of his peers. In fact I'm not sure that I've ever really heard a good word said about him as a person. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Apr 13, 2013 12:10:02 GMT -5
my ending:
I like marino13's idea! a weakened (maybe even bloody) Hogan does the legdrop,but you can tell it's not as strong- as forceful - as previous ones, and after Hogan drops it and starts to get up Hart grabs him and puts him in the sharpshooter. a little under 4 years before the epic WM 13 encounter, Hogan never taps out to the sharpshooter,but passes out,and Hart is declared the winner and new WWF Champion! and this sets the seeds for maybe another encounter between the 2 down the line if Hogan stuck around.
Luger stays the Narcissist,and is Bret's 1st Challenger,at Survivor Series. Yokozuna gets his rematch at the Royal Rumble,and Bret gets his revenge by beating Yoko. Savage wins the 1994 Rumble ,and goes on to face Bret for the title at WM X, where he submits and puts Bret over.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 12:30:42 GMT -5
my ending: I like marino13's idea! a weakened (maybe even bloody) Hogan does the legdrop,but you can tell it's not as strong- as forceful - as previous ones, and after Hogan drops it and starts to get up Hart grabs him and puts him in the sharpshooter. a little under 4 years before the epic WM 13 encounter, Hogan never taps out to the sharpshooter,but passes out,and Hart is declared the winner and new WWF Champion! and this sets the seeds for maybe another encounter between the 2 down the line if Hogan stuck around. Luger stays the Narcissist,and is Bret's 1st Challenger,at Survivor Series. Yokozuna gets his rematch at the Royal Rumble,and Bret gets his revenge by beating Yoko. Savage wins the 1994 Rumble ,and goes on to face Bret for the title at WM X, where he submits and puts Bret over. hmmm.......nice. |
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Post by A Flair for the Gold on Apr 13, 2013 12:40:11 GMT -5
my ending: I like marino13's idea! a weakened (maybe even bloody) Hogan does the legdrop,but you can tell it's not as strong- as forceful - as previous ones, and after Hogan drops it and starts to get up Hart grabs him and puts him in the sharpshooter. a little under 4 years before the epic WM 13 encounter, Hogan never taps out to the sharpshooter,but passes out,and Hart is declared the winner and new WWF Champion! and this sets the seeds for maybe another encounter between the 2 down the line if Hogan stuck around. Luger stays the Narcissist,and is Bret's 1st Challenger,at Survivor Series. Yokozuna gets his rematch at the Royal Rumble,and Bret gets his revenge by beating Yoko. Savage wins the 1994 Rumble ,and goes on to face Bret for the title at WM X, where he submits and puts Bret over. i can imagine this happening too |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2013 13:26:04 GMT -5
I don't have time to type it all out as I'm getting ready for work but the part in Bret's book where he talks about his Summerslam 1993 match with Hogan is found on pages 313-316 if you have the hardcover version like me.
Bret states Hogan backed out when Vince changed it to a non-title match.
Bret also states he chewed Hogan out after King of the Ring 1993 and felt Hogan didn't wanna do the job to him. Bret also stated the match was to end with him locking Hogan in the Sharpshooter.
Take it for what you will.
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Post by koreygunz on Apr 13, 2013 15:46:03 GMT -5
The hardest part of booking this would be the match itself. The lead up I think would have been pretty easy.
Following Mania, Bret has a few month feud with Lex Luger (they planted the seeds for this at the Mania brunch when Luger knocked Bret out) while Hogan builds up to KOTR with Yoko.
KOTR: Hogan beats Yokozuna to retain the title, Bret wins KOTR (maybe by beating Luger in the Finals), and possibly a Hogan/Bret staredown to end the show.
SummerSlam: Bret goes over Hogan (pick your poison here- either submission, quick pin, Hogan passes out in Sharpshooter, interference from Yoko/Luger causing Hogan to lose, etc). Bret would not have been turned heel here either.
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