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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 3:23:57 GMT -5
Bring back the Brand Extension, but restructure it. The days of pretending that RAW and SmackDown are equal are over. Unify the belts, and move all of the "main eventers" (and guys WWE tries to pass off as main eventers) to the RAW brand officially, and move all the midcarders to SmackDown.
RAW would be the big drama show with the big stars SmackDown would be the show with simpler storylines featuring mid level talent.
Three hours is fine, but WWE needs to actually fill the three hours with content instead of recaps. Instead of giving more people TV time, WWE just stretched out time for the guys who were already appearing on TV anyway.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Jun 4, 2013 4:23:20 GMT -5
Some weeks it does tend to feel like a chore, 2 hours were always nice & spaced out & not overkill.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 9:36:18 GMT -5
It's not the length of the show that's a problem, it's how they use it. I was really hoping an extra hour would mean no more rushed matches and segments, the end of the jobber entrance, more time to develop more storylines and more characters in a single show, at least 2 long, quality matches a week, more guys getting a chance to get on the mic, useful backstage segments, and proper analysis of matches and replays of the key points in the match.
Lately the show consists of *solid opening segment, Tout, Great Khali, WWE App, quality TV match [usually Shield and Team Hell No and friends], squash match, squash match, Facebook, Twitter, recap, squash match, Brodus Clay and Tensai dancing, a horrible Diva match, Did You Know?, John Cena is in the main event tonight!, recap, squash match, Randy Orton is facing ___ on Smackdown this week!, main event, Ryback rules!*
I mean the Fandango/ Great Khali and Barrett/ Miz matches are just two examples of the total neglect of the mid-card; they were Attitude Era length jokes of matches, but without the Attitude Era quality storyline progression and exciting moments that compensate for it.
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Post by OverTheEdge on Jun 4, 2013 9:47:19 GMT -5
I like it being three hours. It'd definitely be nice to see that time utilized better (mostly in a way where SmackDown doesn't become RAW part two), but I have no problem with its duration.
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Post by sean™ on Jun 4, 2013 9:51:07 GMT -5
I honestly don't mind 3 hours. The fact that they seem to use the additional hour only to replay segments from previously in the night (as well as the weekly Shield wins a tag match out of Melee).
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 4, 2013 9:51:53 GMT -5
I watch the show on fast forward. I don't even care if we get 2-3 solid 10-15 minute matches. The segments/storylines aren't entertaining and the commentators talk too much. Between that, the recaps and the social media stuff, we aren't really getting that much substance versus the two hour version. 3 hours is too much for me. The only thing that feels can't miss is The Shield. The Triple H and Axel stuff has been good so I've enjoyed that so far but if I never saw Ryback vs Bryan I wouldn't lose sleep over it. It was a solid match but it was a shotgun match to get to the ending. Jericho was so bad last night he made me cringe. Just a forced filler segment. I feel like that's the kind of stuff we have gotten with the increase in time. So I don't think we've gained anything personally. It's so much easier to watch 2 hours than 3.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Jun 4, 2013 10:11:33 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if it cuts down. WWE will still recap things that happened 30 minutes ago after a commercial break then go back to commercial. Frankly stick to 3 hours but WWE just needs to learn to use their time given to them and not make it the "TRIPLE H WILL FIGHT SOMEONE....maybe" show.
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Post by Chip on Jun 4, 2013 10:13:30 GMT -5
i dont mind it being 3 hours....im just tired of seeing the same 6 guys win matches all the time and i hate that there is NO attention paid to anything besides 2 or 3 main event storylines
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Post by v/\v on Jun 4, 2013 16:16:34 GMT -5
I disagree wholeheartedly. The match quality in general has gone up so many notches it's not funny. The only thing that needs to change is how everyone is presented, because there are parts of every show where they are begging us not to give a crap when they ought to be really getting us too. And the never-ending stream of random matches, albeit fine and often great matches, people find themselves in whilst not being involved in an engaging storyline does grow tiresome.
All in all, 3 hours Raw dances all over 2 hour Raw.
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Post by HHH316 on Jun 4, 2013 16:24:16 GMT -5
I don't mind the 3 hour shows. I treat it like a regular 2 hour show. I don't start watching on my DVR until an hour in, then FF through the commercials & random stuff I don't want to see. I usually catch up live with maybe an hour or 30 minutes left.
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Post by Mofoin' Mizfit on Jun 4, 2013 18:37:26 GMT -5
I think Raw needs to stay at three hours, but only if the brand extension ends and the endless social media plugs do as well. If everyone was completely free to compete on Raw and Smackdown with minimal interruption, I think we could see some quality TV in nearly five hours of programming between the main two shows alone. Not to mention Main Event, Superstars, and all the other shows WWE produces. We could see entire belts and divisions re-introduced in this format too. More TV time for mid-carders, tag teams, storylines. It'd be great, at least I think. The brand extension is nonexistent, it essentially is done. Most guys already appear on both shows, except for one person. If the brand extension was enforced again like already suggested, it might help more, especially since we see the same 10-15 guys on both shows. If you want the brand extension to be reinforced, then what do you propose to do with Smackdown? Make it three hours too? Or make it seem like the "B" show when it's brand only has two hours as opposed to Raw's three? I'm not totally opposed to your idea, though.
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Post by noir on Jun 4, 2013 18:45:39 GMT -5
yep, end that crap. I've ended up bailing on all but a couple of 3hr RAWs that I've tried to watch live. This is coming from a guy that would watch it live every week pretty religiously when it was at the 2 hour running time. They don't have the foresight or the ability to manage a 3 hour show right now. Whoever is banging out the scripts for these RAWs seems to only be able to handle 3 storylines at once. When you've got an overcrowded roster, and only two titles that mean anything, a cluster ensues. At least with an hour shaved off, we'd have less recaps and less time that needs to be killed with random matches that make no sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 18:59:24 GMT -5
Sometimes RAW this year is a waste with three hours.
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Post by marino13 on Jun 4, 2013 19:55:27 GMT -5
On one hand, I love the three hours because I think the match quality has been superb lately. Guys like Bryan, Kofi, Shield, Del Rio, & many more get a chance to showcase their in ring talent much more. Axel is another one whom may not have been given a chance if RAW was only 2 hrs.
But on the other, I have trouble staying up till 11:20 on work nights. I find myself missing the main event the past three weeks cause I fell asleep during commercial breaks.
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Post by TheChamp420 on Jun 4, 2013 20:54:23 GMT -5
3 hours is too much
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Post by WalterF on Jun 4, 2013 22:19:29 GMT -5
I dig the three hours. I'm used to it at this point and we do get a bit more wrestling even though we also get more of all the side crap that no one here wants.
Wwe is gonna find a way to plug all the online stuff regardless so I don't feel it matters.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jun 5, 2013 0:13:37 GMT -5
I disagree wholeheartedly. The match quality in general has gone up so many notches it's not funny. The only thing that needs to change is how everyone is presented, because there are parts of every show where they are begging us not to give a crap when they ought to be really getting us too. And the never-ending stream of random matches, albeit fine and often great matches, people find themselves in whilst not being involved in an engaging storyline does grow tiresome. That sums up my feelings on it, kind of. I don't see it as a positive though. For me, going to three hours has led to them putting on too many decent matches with no storyline and no freshness, so everything has already happened. We're getting PPV length, PPV quality matches but no PPV quality build-up... Which makes the matches just come off pointless and random. And then we get that same match twelve more times. They're wasting all the talent by having them wrestle each other on TV too much instead of concentrating on characters and stories and building to important matches. But I think they'd be doing that if it was two hours anyway. Even when the brand split was still in effect, Smackdown was wasting talent like that since 2009.
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Post by King Silva on Jun 5, 2013 1:55:12 GMT -5
Some nights the 3 hours isn't a big deal since the episode is good but when it is a bad night my God 3 hours is just too much...
I think the 3 hour Raws could be much better if they didn't have so many matches for the show. Why have 1-3 matches that are just going to be 3 minutes each? We usually get some good matches but it's almost always the same people. Idk they just need to do a better job.
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Post by bababooey on Jun 5, 2013 7:39:15 GMT -5
I totally agree that 3 hours wasn't good. I find it funny that they already have trouble filling 3 hours yet they still have a pre show, a post show, YouTube content, pre and post shows for PPVs, a divas TV show. Hold back once in a while. It's like they are whoring out the product. It's definitely overexposed. Then they are forced to give us the same Del Rio match 3 times a week.
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Post by IRS on Jun 5, 2013 13:59:35 GMT -5
If you want the brand extension to be reinforced, then what do you propose to do with Smackdown? Make it three hours too? Or make it seem like the "B" show when it's brand only has two hours as opposed to Raw's three? I'm not totally opposed to your idea, though. What I would do is, put most of the bigger names on RAW(Cena, Orton, Sheamus) and put the future stars on SD!(Ziggler, Rhodes, Cesaro, Sandow) and have 1 or 2 top guys on SD!(Punk, Y2J). I'd also bring some of the NXT talent up to SD! and revive the Cruiserweight division and title. Not having every big name guy available on both shows could also force WWE to re-establish the mid-card and tag division as well, since they would be forced to fill the TV time eith something. Right now, bringing back the brand extension is reslly the only way to benefit all shows, imo.
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