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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 16:09:14 GMT -5
Chris Kanyon and Orlando Jordan were openly gay and bisexual. Active roster. OJ is bi not gay. There is a difference. Kanyon was not publicly out while on the active roster. Remember when I said openly gay and bisexual? I was probably differentiating at that point.
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Post by slappy on Aug 15, 2013 16:15:47 GMT -5
Active roster. OJ is bi not gay. There is a difference. Kanyon was not publicly out while on the active roster. Remember when I said openly gay and bisexual? I was probably differentiating at that point. And even if OJ was out, Young would still be the first openly gay active roster member. So there isn't a need for people to bring him up unless they want to mention what WWE should not do with D-Young.
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Post by WalterF on Aug 15, 2013 16:20:15 GMT -5
Good for him not being afraid to reveal this in public. Still don't care for him though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 16:21:02 GMT -5
Remember when I said openly gay and bisexual? I was probably differentiating at that point. And even if OJ was out, Young would still be the first openly gay active roster member. So there isn't a need for people to bring him up unless they want to mention what WWE should not do with D-Young. I agree with you there. What they did with Orlando Jordan in TNA was just weird. It had nothing to do with his sexual orientation it was just exploitation.
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Post by East Coast on Aug 15, 2013 16:22:01 GMT -5
i would care more if he announced that he was in WWE2K14......and is getting an elite figure made of him.
The way PTP has been going lately.....it seems they've been testing out breaking them up. They've had more singles matches lately.
Darren Young vs CM Punk a month ago....was pretty good. Hopefully Vince doesn't involve this into a storyline. Unless they can make it awesome.
also, Darrens about to be on TMZ live in a couple minutes.
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Post by slappy on Aug 15, 2013 16:26:10 GMT -5
And even if OJ was out, Young would still be the first openly gay active roster member. So there isn't a need for people to bring him up unless they want to mention what WWE should not do with D-Young. I agree with you there. What they did with Orlando Jordan in TNA was just weird. It had nothing to do with his sexual orientation it was just exploitation. Was it said here or elsewhere that the reason WWE probably turned down OJ's bi gimmick is because of what it ended up looking like in TNA. WWE wouldn't have done what TNA allowed him to do and I'm happy with that.
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Aug 15, 2013 16:39:02 GMT -5
For people don't get why this is a big deal, we live in a world where people are forced to hide who they really are and are made to think they are worthless because of feelings they have no control over. Even in the US they are told they can't have the same rights and it's beaten into their heads that it's wrong. Some people are disowned by their families when they come out. In other countries it's even worse and people can be put to death for it. Anyone who is willing to be open, especially in a public capacity where you can possibly be an inspiration to others is a big deal. That said,I'm betting most people in WWE already knew. Especially people he is close to. Either way, it's good to see he's happy, which is always the most important thing. I doubt this will change much for his career, other than speaking at more BA Star rallies, which is a positive thing. Of course, I'd like to see PTP get a push, but that was true before this and has nothing to do with sexuality. I just hope WWE doesn't try and make it a gimmick or storyline as it would be a disservice to everyone involved. I also want to say that I'm happy most of the comments here were positive. Good job Wfigs
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Post by RatedN on Aug 15, 2013 17:30:39 GMT -5
Really didn't expect this from him, It says on his description on twitter that his life revolves around 3 things, money, women & wrestling.. Guess it's Kayfabe or whatever or maybe he'll just update it.
Anyways well done to Darren.
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Post by JC Motors on Aug 15, 2013 18:09:44 GMT -5
I thought he had a kid
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Aug 15, 2013 18:15:23 GMT -5
Way to go, Darren!
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Post by Epic Z on Aug 15, 2013 18:21:31 GMT -5
Good for him, although because of this I don't think his future is bright in WWE. I feel like alot of guys will feel uncomfortable (which they shouldn't) wrestling against him. Coach said the following on a radio show.I hope that's the case with Darren.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 18:24:56 GMT -5
Really didn't expect this from him, It says on his description on twitter that his life revolves around 3 things, money, women & wrestling.. Guess it's Kayfabe or whatever or maybe he'll just update it. Anyways well done to Darren. Money because its money, women as friends and wrestling......for the men??? In all seriousness Darren needs to be who he is and not have to hide so good for him that he felt comfortable enough to come out. Although this may hurt is wrestling career, we all know there is a sort of homophobic aspect of wrestling that we have to tell ourselfs so what if sweaty men are grabbing each other, theyre beating the crap out of each other, nothing gay about that. With a known gay guy wrestling other guys you cant honestly say it wont make you look at the match differently.
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Aug 15, 2013 19:14:34 GMT -5
Really didn't expect this from him, It says on his description on twitter that his life revolves around 3 things, money, women & wrestling.. Guess it's Kayfabe or whatever or maybe he'll just update it. Anyways well done to Darren. Money because its money, women as friends and wrestling......for the men??? In all seriousness Darren needs to be who he is and not have to hide so good for him that he felt comfortable enough to come out. Although this may hurt is wrestling career, we all know there is a sort of homophobic aspect of wrestling that we have to tell ourselfs so what if sweaty men are grabbing each other, they're beating the crap out of each other, nothing gay about that. With a known gay guy wrestling other guys you cant honestly say it wont make you look at the match differently. I can't speak for everyone, but it won't make me look at his matches differently at all.
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Post by Flair Forever on Aug 15, 2013 19:40:28 GMT -5
I was more surprised to read that John Cena's brother is gay.
I'll bet there are more gay wrestlers than we even know about...
The real problem I've had with Young for a long time is that his mic skills need a lot of work....
Good for him. I hope the WWE Universe isn't too hard on him, with negative chants, tweets, etc.... wrestling fans can be brutal.
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Post by JFlagg on Aug 15, 2013 19:58:44 GMT -5
Good for him! much love & respect for speaking out
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Aug 15, 2013 20:41:43 GMT -5
I've been here for over 10 years now, and I can remember the general attitude towards this sort of thing being MUCH different back then. Especially on AFR in the late 90s....
I'm glad most people are finally dropping their negative attitude towards homosexuality. I was one of the only straight guys who befriended a gay guy in middle school, and I always got ripped on for it. People always cracked jokes about it. I know how much it sucked to deal with stupid teenage boys back then just by ASSOCIATING myself with a gay person, so I feel for anyone who is actually gay who has to deal with being ostracized for something that ultimately isn't - or shouldn't - be an issue.
Being an openly gay black athlete whom is completely comfortable with himself can inspire those with negative attitudes to see things differently. You'll never get 'em all, but even if this inspires 100 people to reflect their views and actually think about what they're saying, it DOES matter. As long as they don't turn Darren into a "gay wrestler", and just let him be Darren who happens to be gay, I think things will work out just fine for him going forward. He'll be a great asset in the Be A Star campaign.
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Post by Lk™ on Aug 15, 2013 22:07:42 GMT -5
i think they set that up with tmz. too coincidental
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Aug 15, 2013 22:22:49 GMT -5
Good for D-Young. Nobody should ever have to hide anything about themselves. Anybody who dislikes somebody because of their sexuality is just an ignorant moron.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 22:25:05 GMT -5
Doesn't change anything, I'm glad he is happy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 22:30:25 GMT -5
I'll be the first to admit that I don't live my religious faith the way I should, and though I've always planned on getting back into a congregation, I've put it off and so I certainly do not claim to be a person living the faith.
On the other hand, I do look at the world after much experience on the other side as a former-everything else (libertarian, Marxist, agnostic, extremist within arguing for gay rights, evolution, Big Bang, anti-religion science, etc.), I've returned to a strong respect for, admiration, and belief in religion, a place I hadn't been since mid-to-late high school or so. My beliefs are based around Christianity/Messianic Judaism, a love for the Hebraic roots that are part my own history and Christianity, while maintaining a belief in Jesus/Yeshua as the Messiah of Israel and the world.
Having that been said, I'll put it like this: the world, as a whole, is not religious. Not religious in action, and academically often not even knowledgeable on religion or its history. Acceptance and growth of openness of homosexuality on a national level in America doesn't really change the irreligious nature of America. Sure, in the past only cities like San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York City were part of the gay rights movement, and globally countries like The Netherlands and now France, England, etc., and now America as a whole is accepting it (except perhaps some very isolated rural areas and older folks), but if the anger from religious circles is that people are now giving up religion...well, sadly, people gave up religion a very long time ago. Homosexual acceptance is not the "straw that broke the camel's back" that brought people away from the first century rabbi known as Yeshua, aka Jesus: people were away from Him a long, long time ago, way before homosexuality was heavily accepted.
Anyway, Young being openly gay doesn't do much for me because I haven't followed his career heavily. I have a nostalgic connection to the "old school" gays: the poetry of Allen Ginsberg, the music of Reggie "Elton John" Dwight, and the wrestling of Pierre "Pat Patterson" Clermont. Young is too new, or well...young.
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