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Post by ClassicFan2 on Sept 10, 2013 11:41:41 GMT -5
Because the want isn't that huge? This board has fewer than 1,000 members. If even 600 of them collect figures and say, 80% of those would buy Legends, that's about 500 people. Mattel isn't going to make a profit selling to 500 people. Obviously, this board isn't the ONLY representation of that, but I think people overestimate the scope of the fanbase that WF represents. This is the diehards, the vocal minority... At the end of the day, this is a toy-line designed for kids. Kids don't want Koko B. Ware or Ken Shamrock. They want guys they've actually seen on TV. That's why most of the Flashbacks we get are guys who either a.) stick out in your memory (Boss Man, Papa Shango), b.) all-time Legends (Macho, Hitman), or c.) current (Undertaker, Kane). which is why ive said in the past someone from mattel and wwe need to get together and get some kind of weekly legends tv show going. cant understand why wwe hasnt done this to begin with. it would only help sell legends merchandise they have. guest hosts with still alive legends, have the figs on the desk in front of them showing them every week. promote that stuff!
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 10, 2013 11:46:36 GMT -5
The bottom line is that retailers don't want them. At one point I bought a bunch of Legends from Kmart on clearance for 99 CENTS each! If stores had to clearance them that cheap just to get rid of them, I'd say that it's almost a 100% chance that retailers won't ever want to touch a full Legends line ever again. thats why you go with a Flashback line which retailers are seeing are the 1st of the sets to go. I listed a bunch of reasons why the original didnt sell. I bought a bunch on clearance for .99 cents too, but that after the 1st couple cases sold. and even still the mattel line hadnt got established yet. collectors didnt know if they wanted to start collecting another legends line after Jakks CS. the economy was worse, the choice of attires even me say Ill wait. (I was not buying that snuka or Sgt). it could work. It wouldn't work. All that would be doing is re-labeling the Legends line. It'd be the exact same thing for the third time, and guess what? It'd fail JUST like the previous two did. I for one don't want Flashbacks in the Elite line to go away, so I absolutely say no to an all Flashback series. It sucks, but tough luck guy. If Mattel makes those guys, it'll be as Elite Flashbacks that will be short packed. If Mattel doesn't make them, find recipes to make your own.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Sept 10, 2013 11:47:25 GMT -5
Because its not as easy as "Ok, we'll do a Lex Luger"... They have to be signed to contracts, either be it WWE or Mattel .. Nobody knows the ins and outs.. Maybe wrestlers have been approached about deals but demanded too much money. There's also the fact that a Dino Bravo figure would not make money.. If you owned your own business , would you create something you knew would make a loss?... No, that's why we don't get these people. how was jakks able to get so many names then? and its to put a specific item in your product that could make people want to and get excited to collect it instead just saying no thanks, we dont get many legends anyway. I WANT to buy some legend figs, and so do others. MORE than just Bruno Sammartino for a 4 month period.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 11:51:14 GMT -5
Kane (debut) Elite 12 Papa Shango Elite 12 Edge Elite 13 King Booker Elite 14 Big Bissman Elite 14 Yokozuna Elite 15 Nash Elite 16 Diesel Elite 16 Mankind Elite 17 Lawler Elite 18 Elizabeth Elite 19 Christian Elite 20 HTM Elite 21 Giant Elite 22 Taker (94ish) Elite 23 HHH DX Elite 23 Macho Elite 23 JBL Elite 23 Trish Elite 24 Road Dogg Billy Gunn Rikishi Matty Abdre Matty Bundy Matty Arn Anderson Matty Tully Matty DDP Matty Rockers RSC Brock RSC SCSA RSC Bret Hart RSC Macho Man RSC Kane Hardcore RSC Cactus Jack
That is 34 Flashback figures or whatever
Out of all of these you got two legitimate shelf warmers Christian (& Bundy (maybe Liz if they made to many of her, but maybe not?)
You can either look at that as a good amount that Mattel has included over the past 2 years OR you could look at it like DAMN doesn't Mattel see that these legends would sell?
90% of those figures would sell quicker than current figures because we have sooooo many of the currents. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
I have a 4th grader and 5th grader. So ages ranging fom 8-11 I guess. Those kids love wrestling figures. They love their Cenas and Punks but amazingly they loved when Papa Shango, Kane, Mankind, Andre, Diesel, Nash, Yokozuna, Big Bossman. My son of course knows who they are becuse I am die hard wrestling guy, but I'm telling you lots of his classmates that he trades with and all, had them and loved them. I don't know if they just like the different characters or if they look cool or if they just look them up on YouTube or what
Anyway they would sell if put out now, Mattel knows that deep down. Someone got there butt chewed out or something over the failures of the early stuff (due to the many reasons stated before). They are scared to pull the trugger on the line again
I personally had had enough by the end of the Jakks run so I didn't buy the Mattel Legends and early stuff. They were brand new. I look back at that now and realize I probably would have bought 90% of everything they out out back then. Not for the resale value but for my collection and display. They are and were great figures. Just too much too soon
Eventually they will relaunch the line (based around Hulk Hogan & Ric Flair) (somebody said that in a thread to me the other day, I'm stealing it!) and we will be happy once again
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Sept 10, 2013 11:51:31 GMT -5
thats why you go with a Flashback line which retailers are seeing are the 1st of the sets to go. I listed a bunch of reasons why the original didnt sell. I bought a bunch on clearance for .99 cents too, but that after the 1st couple cases sold. and even still the mattel line hadnt got established yet. collectors didnt know if they wanted to start collecting another legends line after Jakks CS. the economy was worse, the choice of attires even me say Ill wait. (I was not buying that snuka or Sgt). it could work. It wouldn't work. All that would be doing is re-labeling the Legends line. It'd be the exact same thing for the third time, and guess what? It'd fail JUST like the previous two did. I for one don't want Flashbacks in the Elite line to go away, so I absolutely say no to an all Flashback series. It sucks, but tough luck guy. If Mattel makes those guys, it'll be as Elite Flashbacks that will be short packed. If Mattel doesn't make them, find recipes to make your own. you learn from the mistakes. you dont flood the stores with em. 4 figs per set, 4 sets a year (thats every 3 months) maybe an 8 figure case. 2 of each fig only and thats it. you pick the guys and attires right and it'd work.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 10, 2013 11:56:55 GMT -5
It wouldn't work. All that would be doing is re-labeling the Legends line. It'd be the exact same thing for the third time, and guess what? It'd fail JUST like the previous two did. I for one don't want Flashbacks in the Elite line to go away, so I absolutely say no to an all Flashback series. It sucks, but tough luck guy. If Mattel makes those guys, it'll be as Elite Flashbacks that will be short packed. If Mattel doesn't make them, find recipes to make your own. you learn from the mistakes. you dont flood the stores with em. 4 figs per set, 4 sets a year (thats every 3 months) maybe an 8 figure case. 2 of each fig only and thats it. you pick the guys and attires right and it'd work. It wouldn't work as it's own series. Mattel has gotten a ton of feedback about how unsuccessful the Legends line was. Instead of 4 figures per set 4 times a year, be content with 2 Flashbacks per set every other month. Sometimes there will be more, sometimes there will be less. That's just how business works. Mattel won't be burned by this a third time when FlexForce failed with Rumblers and Power Slammers to follow. They know what works, and messing with the Elite line again would be a disaster that would further drive retailers not to carry Elites.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Sept 10, 2013 12:00:18 GMT -5
Retailers don't want Legends figures, and they didn't sell on MattyCollector, so how do you propose Mattel sells them? This. With the exception of DDP, Hillbilly Jim and George the Animal Steele which I only purchased one each of I purchased at least two of every other Legend released at mass retail or on Matty. But there were plenty of members here who said they wanted Legends, but didn't want to pay full price at retail or the shipping from Matty. So how much did they really want the Legends? So you have the collectors that were passing on them at retail and the fact that Mattel overproduced the first two sets and the 2-Packs and retailers dropped the line. Then when it went to Matty you had the same collectors saying they'd get them only to pass every month because they didn't want to pay the shipping. If people were buying them we'd still be getting them. I've stated many times why people may have passed at the original legends line. that was a failure, but for reasons. Matty collector at $30 a fig was ABSOLUTELY NOT the answer! most I know didnt even know about Matty collector. and even if you want them, $30 a fig in this economy was NOT going to work. the price and unkonwn Matty site killed that. BUT the economy is a little better. people are buying figs again. FB's sell out 1st. the mattel line is now known much more. collectors have started collecting them again as the figs are awesome. and those same collectors werent sure at 1st legends due to just getting done spending $1000 on jakks CS. but time has gone on and its different now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 12:01:28 GMT -5
Even forgetting new additions just re releasing, repainting Warriors, Guerrero, Road Warriors, Demolition, Bam Bam, One Man Gang, Andre!, Perfect, Lawler, Jake the Snake (in Elite Forms)
Those would sell now. Mattel has got to realize that
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Post by dmoney on Sept 10, 2013 12:02:02 GMT -5
This. With the exception of DDP, Hillbilly Jim and George the Animal Steele which I only purchased one each of I purchased at least two of every other Legend released at mass retail or on Matty. But there were plenty of members here who said they wanted Legends, but didn't want to pay full price at retail or the shipping from Matty. So how much did they really want the Legends? So you have the collectors that were passing on them at retail and the fact that Mattel overproduced the first two sets and the 2-Packs and retailers dropped the line. Then when it went to Matty you had the same collectors saying they'd get them only to pass every month because they didn't want to pay the shipping. If people were buying them we'd still be getting them. I've stated many times why people may have passed at the original legends line. that was a failure, but for reasons. Matty collector at $30 a fig was ABSOLUTELY NOT the answer! most I know didnt even know about Matty collector. and even if you want them, $30 a fig in this economy was NOT going to work. the price and unkonwn Matty site killed that. BUT the economy is a little better. people are buying figs again. FB's sell out 1st. the mattel line is now known much more. collectors have started collecting them again as the figs are awesome. and those same collectors werent sure at 1st legends due to just getting done spending $1000 on jakks CS. but time has gone on and its different now. Amen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 12:04:36 GMT -5
2 pack failures. I wonder why?
Who thought it would be a good idea to release
Iron Shiek/Volkoff Bushwackers Piper/Orton
Instead of Demolition, Road Warriors and Rockers
That was about the dumbest idea out of all of them
That's what the two pack legends failure is based of of? That's a joke
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 12:05:10 GMT -5
Not selling the Legends in the UK was the stupidest idea ever. Jakks CS figures always did well.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Sept 10, 2013 12:10:41 GMT -5
They are scared to pull the trugger on the line again Pull the trugger how? Retail's not an option, and online failed last time. Mail order from WWE magazine? I don't think that would be very successful. Not selling the Legends in the UK was the stupidest idea ever. Jakks CS figures always did well. UK retailers didn't want them.
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 10, 2013 12:20:41 GMT -5
While my interest and demand for more Flasbacks and Legends is really at an all time high because Mattel has filled out a huge portion of the main roster with great figures, I think Mattel has a nice formula down.
They really seem to want to work through the guys they've already spent money to sign. So they are going to do some of those guys and they quite honestly could be guys I'd never buy, like Savio Vega and Doink the Clown. However, it's a far smaller margin for failure at .5 a case for guys like that to actually sell. Plus, if we get a Basic Mr. Perfect in the next Heritage line then I'm going to be very excited. I have no problem getting guys like LOD, Perfect, Sarge and Snuka in Basic form if they serve as a make-up figure of sorts. E23 is also going to be a test run for them. If that series sells really well at retail then they can do another wave in the same fashion, which would be great.
We just need to be patient. I don't know how we're comparing Mattel to Jakks still, that's gold to copper. Mattel is making money and putting out great figures. They make an effort to make changes and give us stuff we want. They know we want guys like Fandango and Bray Wyatt as soon as they debut and they seem to actively be trying to get ahead of the curve on those type of guys. They've mentioned FB BAF's too, so I'm expecting to see Paul Bearer and hopefully a Bobby the Brain at some point via that outlet. When Mattel can make Hogan, Flair and Sting, they will. I'm not sure what the hold up on Steiner, Luger, Hall and Goldberg are but hopefully we get them in the near future.
I do think we're paying for Mattel's early lineup mistakes, as well as poor distribution and over ordering. However, the Elite waves seem to move really well around me sans the Big Show, Orton, Cena, and Rey figures that just linger. So if they sell more with lower quantities and create a demand, then they are doing their job from a business perspective. Which we have to respect because that allows us to continue to get figures. The after market is always going to be there, it was there with Jakks too, and that's just something we'll always battle as collectors. While I do think we're a bigger portion of the target demo than Mattel would like us to believe, similar to WWE, it's still a kids product. This isn't NECA we're talking about, it's the world's biggest toy manufacturer. Let's take a deep breath and trust they check their own sales data.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Sept 10, 2013 12:21:18 GMT -5
They are scared to pull the trugger on the line again Pull the trugger how? Retail's not an option, and online failed last time. Mail order from WWE magazine? I don't think that would be very successful. Not selling the Legends in the UK was the stupidest idea ever. Jakks CS figures always did well. UK retailers didn't want them. retail is the option. stores will order them just like they do rumblers, buddies and what ever else mattel makes. the order sheet will say flashback series 1 and stores will get them. you do it right like i've said and gave examples for. you just dont have the word legends anywhere. flashback is a new line and all stores would get them.
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Post by hitman1072 on Sept 10, 2013 12:21:49 GMT -5
Clarence...it's nice to see enthusiasm, but your comments are nothing but incredibly ignorant. The Road Warriors & Demolition? Those same figures sat at retail in the Legends line. Please do not give me the ridiculous "Mattel should have made the red shoulder pads LOD." That's just silly. The Rockers? Seriously? They would have sat at TRU the same way the first 3 2 packs did. I don't know what country you're living in, but the economy is not better. Until leadership in this country changes...things are only going to get worse. The simple fact of the matter is that in the economic conditions we are in, 6-7 inch collector lines at retail are death. Maybe Star Wars, but that's it. DCUC is gone. Marvel Legends in it's current incarnation is gone. Wrestling legends at retail as it's own line simply won't work right now.
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Post by Bizzle on Sept 10, 2013 12:25:09 GMT -5
Because its not as easy as "Ok, we'll do a Lex Luger"... They have to be signed to contracts, either be it WWE or Mattel .. Nobody knows the ins and outs.. Maybe wrestlers have been approached about deals but demanded too much money. There's also the fact that a Dino Bravo figure would not make money.. If you owned your own business , would you create something you knew would make a loss?... No, that's why we don't get these people. a Dino Bravo RSC exclusive to 3000 or a one every other case flashback Bravo would be on ebay for $80 before you know it. There's no doubt about that... But, Mattel don't make the money from eBay sales do they...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 12:26:17 GMT -5
They are scared to pull the trugger on the line again Pull the trugger how? Retail's not an option, and online failed last time. Mail order from WWE magazine? I don't think that would be very successful. Not selling the Legends in the UK was the stupidest idea ever. Jakks CS figures always did well. UK retailers didn't want them. Scared to pull the trigger meaning on a legends relaunch It's not 2010 anymore. Retailers would take them. Look at the list of Flashbacks that sold like hot cakes the last couple of years. That's your starting point for why they came get them back going. If I understood right Mattel WWE was the hottest selling boys toys last year? That gives Mattel a little pull with the retailers I would think Maybe acknowledging the previous mistakes and revamping it would be a start.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Sept 10, 2013 12:33:07 GMT -5
retail is the option. stores will order them Source? Retailers would take them. Source?
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Sept 10, 2013 12:37:43 GMT -5
Not selling anything wrestling related in the UK is a joke. They are enormous wrestling fans over there.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Sept 10, 2013 12:39:19 GMT -5
Who says retailers would take them? Mattel says they won't. I take what they say to mean a helluva lot more than what any of you guys say, and I mean no offense by that.
And Flashbacks "sell like hot cakes" because they're short-packed. Nobody says Diva figures "sell like hot cakes," but you don't see them rotting on the shelves.
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