ClassicFan2
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Sept 10, 2013 9:59:30 GMT -5
sorry for the rant! but just look at the suggestion boards. 80% of it is legends or flashbacks something or another. what do we have to do to get a JYD, Studd, Hercules, Sid, Tantanka, Neidhart, Beefcake, Luger, Earthqauke, Flair, etc, etc, etc.? its always no no no no no. its always not at this time, no plans for them, not signed to legends deal, wwe wont let us, we thought about it but scrapped it, just not feasable right now. just negative no no no no! wtf, this is Mattel. one of the top toy companies in the world and they cant get it done. but little jakks was able to put out all those legends and names. its like someone at Mattel has something against the legend figs. now its re-paints and attutude era figs. I only had 2 dozen New age outlaw jakks figs and 9 trishs & 7 Rikishis. but dont make a Dino Bravo who NEVER had a fig in ANY fig sets! or Hercules who only had 1 fig from ljn ever. thank god we are getting a Bruno!
I understand its all about he $$$, but how about a bit of a balance so we can get some more old school legends. the original legends line had problems like oversaturation (my walmart got FOUR Cases of legends 1 & 2), buyers burnt out on jakks legends, economy was much worse, no one was into the line yet, choice of attires, HOF exact same re-releases. Many flaws. then they do that HORRIBLE MATTY idea. you could vote 1000 times on it. how in the world can you get accurate results from that? you CANT! then with the shipping figs were over $30 each. and since that didnt work so they basically give up. WTF! who are the tards running things at Mattel. how about a flashback only line with JUST 4 figs per set very 4 months. 12 figs a year. mix em up with old school legends, attitude era, and debut outfits (cena,rey,hhh,) something for everyone. its sucks to be a legends only collector. again sorry to rant, but all the negative no's on legends figs or ideas is making me negative. we shouldnt have to make our own or buy custom legends when a giant toy company like Mattel has the license. current wrestler show up on raw with a different outfit and we get a fig of them in the new outfit within 2 months. but we cant get ONE fig major legends like Luger, Beefcake, Sid, Studd, Flair etc?
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 10, 2013 10:10:54 GMT -5
The Flashbacks in the Elite line are the closest we'll get for a while. They tried Legends early on, and it just didn't do well enough to stick around. It looked like Matty Collector would fill that void, but alas it stopped as well. We'll see what Mattel does in the next few years, I'd like for something similar to the Legends line again soon.
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Bizzle
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Post by Bizzle on Sept 10, 2013 10:14:31 GMT -5
Because its not as easy as "Ok, we'll do a Lex Luger"... They have to be signed to contracts, either be it WWE or Mattel .. Nobody knows the ins and outs.. Maybe wrestlers have been approached about deals but demanded too much money. There's also the fact that a Dino Bravo figure would not make money.. If you owned your own business , would you create something you knew would make a loss?... No, that's why we don't get these people.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Sept 10, 2013 10:17:39 GMT -5
Because the want isn't huge. A couple hundred hardcore collectors on this board do not represent the 5000+ sales that Mattel needs for a figure to be profitable. If we represented the mass market, then Elite rings, Legends and Defining Moments would be flying off the shelves to this day. But we don't, and they rotted on shelves everywhere except discount stores.
Please proofread your posts and refrain from saying rude things like "the tards running things at Mattel" in future, please. It only makes you look bad.
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Post by Nivro™ on Sept 10, 2013 10:32:23 GMT -5
Elite/Basic Rey Mysterio, Elite/Basic Randy Orton, Elite/Basic Big Show, Basic John Cena, Rumblers, and Power Slammers arent flying off the shelves at all either, so the "if they dont sell, dont make more" logic is very flawed cause Mattel keeps cranking more and more of them out.
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Post by RybackV1 on Sept 10, 2013 10:39:20 GMT -5
There's so little amount because we just NEED Cenas and Reys out the wazooo
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ClassicFan2
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Sept 10, 2013 10:41:02 GMT -5
Because the want isn't huge. A couple hundred hardcore collectors on this board do not represent the 5000+ sales that Mattel needs for a figure to be profitable. If we represented the mass market, then Elite rings, Legends and Defining Moments would be flying off the shelves to this day. But we don't, and they rotted on shelves everywhere except discount stores. Please proofread your posts and refrain from saying rude things like "the tards running things at Mattel" in future, please. It only makes you look bad. I stand by that comment. I listed the reasons the 1st 2 legends ideas failed, and both have legit reasons they failed. and Mattel basically gives up after two bad choices. instead of realizing why they didnt work and trying again. DF moments were 28.99 afig at trus. and Matty figs were $30 plus with shipping. GEE I wonder why that didnt work. not directing sarcasm at you, just the overall subject.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Sept 10, 2013 10:42:16 GMT -5
Because its not as easy as "Ok, we'll do a Lex Luger"... They have to be signed to contracts, either be it WWE or Mattel .. Nobody knows the ins and outs.. Maybe wrestlers have been approached about deals but demanded too much money. There's also the fact that a Dino Bravo figure would not make money.. If you owned your own business , would you create something you knew would make a loss?... No, that's why we don't get these people. a Dino Bravo RSC exclusive to 3000 or a one every other case flashback Bravo would be on ebay for $80 before you know it.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Sept 10, 2013 10:45:55 GMT -5
I stand by that comment. I listed the reasons the 1st 2 legends ideas failed, and both have legit reasons they failed. and Mattel basically gives up after two bad choices. instead of realizing why they didnt work and trying again. DF moments were 28.99 afig at trus. and Matty figs were $30 plus with shipping. GEE I wonder why that didnt work. not directing sarcasm at you, just the overall subject. Retailers don't want Legends figures, and they didn't sell on MattyCollector, so how do you propose Mattel sells them?
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Sept 10, 2013 10:55:09 GMT -5
A couple hundred collectors on this board? This board has 11,000 members....
I love all the business economics majors on here. Get a show on cnn.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Sept 10, 2013 10:58:52 GMT -5
a couple hundred collectors on this board? This board has 11,000 members Not 11000 crying about wanting more Legends figures. If all 11,000 members of this board were buying every Legends figure, we'd be on about series 18 of Legends right now. Probably series 20, actually.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Sept 10, 2013 11:01:40 GMT -5
Retailers did want them at 1st, but as I said my walmart & Target got 4 cases each of legends 1 & 2. the 1st two sets sold well, the 3rd set only warriors, the 4th case went on clearance. and again back then no one was really into the mattel line, as most just got done with jakks CS and the economy was much worse as no one was buying figs. my stores shelves are about empty right now for basics and elites. the flashbacks are the 1st to go at my stores. they are selling now. Matty was $30+ for fig. $20 is bad enough, but that extra $10 killed it. same with DF. 28.99 plus tax per fig. so people dont buy $30 figs in the worst economy since the depression and it means its a failuure? no charging $30 for a fig was the failure! hec I'd take basic legends if thats all we could get.
flashback only line. 4 figs per set, 4 sets per year, and 1, MAYBE 2 cases per store (no oversaturation) and it'd work. and to those who say I shouldnt complain. I'm a legend only collector, and we hardly get any. and i'm not allowed to speak up about it. some of you may not care as your getting what you want (current figs) and then say a legends only collector shoudlnt complain whn we hardly get any legends. I wonder how everyone would like it if we were getting legends like hotcakes but they wouldnt release The Sheild or never made a Miz or only 1 CM punk. you guys would be on here complaining just like I am. but current wrestling collectors get what they want so they are happy.
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Sept 10, 2013 11:04:10 GMT -5
Well not every company is guaranteed to sell 11,000 of anything. If half did, they'd still make plenty of money and they could continue all of their Cena, Randy, and Rey repaints that everyone on here justifies them making.
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Sept 10, 2013 11:05:40 GMT -5
And we are beating a dead horse here, but after Series 1, the attire and character choices in the Legends line weren't great. Mattel, while I love them, needs to quit blaming that they didn't sell. It's old and tired.
I think we will either see a revamped Legends line or more sets with multiple FB's, like E23.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Sept 10, 2013 11:11:39 GMT -5
I wonder how everyone would like it if we were getting legends like hotcakes but they wouldnt release The Sheild or never made a Miz or only 1 CM punk. People would be crying the same as you are, and it would be equally fruitless, because the only reason that Legends would be replacing current figures is if Legends sold well and current figures didn't. Mattel is a business that makes dolls for wrestling fans, not a charity that makes dolls for wrestling fans. They make business decisions. And business has shown that the only way older figures are doing well is slotting them into the Elite line in smaller doses. Retailers don't want a Legends line. A Legends line on MattyCollector didn't sell. A Legends line on RSC would cost the same or more than the MattyCollector one. There's no viable avenue to even sell these things. Edit: Like the guy below says, buying lots of Elite 23 is the best way to show Mattel that more Flashbacks = more money.
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Post by savage on Sept 10, 2013 11:12:04 GMT -5
Id like nothing more than to see more legends figs made. Id be happy if they just did every other case like E23. 4 FB and 2 active guys. Then for the next case, just do 1 or 2 FB. E23 is obviously a test run so my advice to any Legends collector would be to buy them all and doubles if you can afford it. Whether you like them or not. BUY THEM!
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Post by blu3blazer on Sept 10, 2013 11:21:27 GMT -5
The bottom line is that retailers don't want them. At one point I bought a bunch of Legends from Kmart on clearance for 99 CENTS each! If stores had to clearance them that cheap just to get rid of them, I'd say that it's almost a 100% chance that retailers won't ever want to touch a full Legends line ever again.
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Post by PJ on Sept 10, 2013 11:25:12 GMT -5
I stand by that comment. I listed the reasons the 1st 2 legends ideas failed, and both have legit reasons they failed. and Mattel basically gives up after two bad choices. instead of realizing why they didnt work and trying again. DF moments were 28.99 afig at trus. and Matty figs were $30 plus with shipping. GEE I wonder why that didnt work. not directing sarcasm at you, just the overall subject. Retailers don't want Legends figures, and they didn't sell on MattyCollector, so how do you propose Mattel sells them? This. With the exception of DDP, Hillbilly Jim and George the Animal Steele which I only purchased one each of I purchased at least two of every other Legend released at mass retail or on Matty. But there were plenty of members here who said they wanted Legends, but didn't want to pay full price at retail or the shipping from Matty. So how much did they really want the Legends? So you have the collectors that were passing on them at retail and the fact that Mattel overproduced the first two sets and the 2-Packs and retailers dropped the line. Then when it went to Matty you had the same collectors saying they'd get them only to pass every month because they didn't want to pay the shipping. If people were buying them we'd still be getting them.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Sept 10, 2013 11:26:32 GMT -5
Because the want isn't that huge?
This board has fewer than 1,000 members. If even 600 of them collect figures and say, 80% of those would buy Legends, that's about 500 people. Mattel isn't going to make a profit selling to 500 people.
Obviously, this board isn't the ONLY representation of that, but I think people overestimate the scope of the fanbase that WF represents. This is the diehards, the vocal minority... At the end of the day, this is a toy-line designed for kids. Kids don't want Koko B. Ware or Ken Shamrock. They want guys they've actually seen on TV. That's why most of the Flashbacks we get are guys who either a.) stick out in your memory (Boss Man, Papa Shango), b.) all-time Legends (Macho, Hitman), or c.) current (Undertaker, Kane).
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Sept 10, 2013 11:37:53 GMT -5
The bottom line is that retailers don't want them. At one point I bought a bunch of Legends from Kmart on clearance for 99 CENTS each! If stores had to clearance them that cheap just to get rid of them, I'd say that it's almost a 100% chance that retailers won't ever want to touch a full Legends line ever again. thats why you go with a Flashback line which retailers are seeing are the 1st of the sets to go. I listed a bunch of reasons why the original didnt sell. I bought a bunch on clearance for .99 cents too, but that after the 1st couple cases sold. and even still the mattel line hadnt got established yet. collectors didnt know if they wanted to start collecting another legends line after Jakks CS. the economy was worse, the choice of attires even me say Ill wait. (I was not buying that snuka or Sgt). it could work.
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