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Post by MattelsRule on Feb 4, 2014 13:49:19 GMT -5
Why is it that WWE took Punk off the signature opening and basically out of every video package that he was in so hastily?
If this is an ongoing situation and the WWE is looking to make it right, why just crap on him and take him out of videos like that? Just seems typical WWE - childish. I understand he walked out - but WWE should AT LEAST acknowledge it and take it from there.
Seems there is no chance of a reconciliation anytime soon if they are going to go so far out of their way to act like a butthurt ex girlfriend.
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Post by The Yes Man on Feb 4, 2014 13:57:37 GMT -5
If Punk doesn't want to be an employee, don't treat him like one.
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Post by PJ on Feb 4, 2014 14:00:09 GMT -5
It is a work. If he really walked they would be taking shots at him left and right like they did with Austin and merchandise would be pulled. So they are making it look legit now by making it look different then the last time they did this with Punk.
And if it isn't a work and he really walked out of a booked event...then the WWE should just let him rot at home. He would have done the one thing that is always said to be the worst thing you can do in the business and no show events you were promoted for. Punk while a better than average wrestlers isn't bigger then the business. And he hasn't given it his all since WM so why should they reward him with the main event at WM?
But like I said above I do believe it is a work.
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 4, 2014 14:07:54 GMT -5
Probably because it's now a pissing contest between CM Punk and Triple H. I'm just speculating though.
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Post by Chip on Feb 4, 2014 14:17:55 GMT -5
Punk left....its a bargaining chip. Its "see, we will survive without you" kind of a game they will play
didn't even mention Punk at ALL last night. wiping him from the books for now. until something is worked out.
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Post by MattelsRule on Feb 4, 2014 14:21:45 GMT -5
It is a work. If he really walked they would be taking shots at him left and right like they did with Austin and merchandise would be pulled. So they are making it look legit now by making it look different then the last time they did this with Punk. And if it isn't a work and he really walked out of a booked event...then the WWE should just let him rot at home. He would have done the one thing that is always said to be the worst thing you can do in the business and no show events you were promoted for. Punk while a better than average wrestlers isn't bigger then the business. And he hasn't given it his all since WM so why should they reward him with the main event at WM? But like I said above I do believe it is a work. Yeah, I mean at first I thought it was a work but now I just don't know. I like your points about differentiating it from last time around.... but still seems real to me. The major thing I took from this whole situation is that I just cant see Punk being this selfish. I know he has a big attitude problem but hes got major respect for his fans - and I just really wonder if he would really screw all these fans over just to make a point when his contract is up in less than 6 months anyway. Just makes no sense to me.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Feb 4, 2014 14:23:04 GMT -5
It is a work. If he really walked they would be taking shots at him left and right like they did with Austin and merchandise would be pulled. So they are making it look legit now by making it look different then the last time they did this with Punk. And if it isn't a work and he really walked out of a booked event...then the WWE should just let him rot at home. He would have done the one thing that is always said to be the worst thing you can do in the business and no show events you were promoted for. Punk while a better than average wrestlers isn't bigger then the business. And he hasn't given it his all since WM so why should they reward him with the main event at WM? But like I said above I do believe it is a work. Y'know, I hate to keep the "work" speculation going, but they did replace his image in the intro with Kane of all people. And the rest of your argument is very sound. As to the OP's question of removing his likeness; it's a business. If this is a Punk walking out of an event with no idea of a return during Wrestlemania season they want the performers THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE on display. WWE could get hit with a false advertising lawsuit if people can persuade a lawyer that they spent X dollars for tickets to WM to see Punk and he wasn't there, even with "card subject to change" and the fact that his image is used during commercials and whatnot.
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Post by MattelsRule on Feb 4, 2014 14:23:32 GMT -5
Punk left....its a bargaining chip. Its "see, we will survive without you" kind of a game they will play didn't even mention Punk at ALL last night. wiping him from the books for now. until something is worked out. Sadly, I think today's WWE is different than those in the past when you could move away from a bigger star. Or maybe I'm just older and more jaded. I think the character development for the majority of the superstars is terrible... Punk leaving is a bigger mess than just one person leaving a company. Again, thats just my feeling.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 14:27:33 GMT -5
If Punk doesn't want to be an employee, don't treat him like one.
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Post by Chip on Feb 4, 2014 14:29:50 GMT -5
it is. Punk leaving is HUGE. He was a big star. The equivalent of when Angle left years ago. Difference is reason. Dirtsheets have reported Punk was frustrated with the company, other people have said he was just burnt out. We may never know the TRUE story behind this, but I do believe he will be back. Vince wants him back, because he knows Punk makes him money. Not just anyone can be put in that kind of spot.
Punk earned everything he got, he was never "handed" anything.....it was just the opposite really. Guy busted his ASS and was treated like second....sometimes THIRD tier, despite getting the best reactions of the night. WWE doesn't truly care what the fans think. They care about what they believe in, and what they think is best for us.
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Post by McBlake on Feb 4, 2014 14:33:00 GMT -5
Usually it's so easy to tell when they're pulling a work. Not sure at all with this one, but if what we're told is true, WWE are well in their right to do this.
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Post by MattelsRule on Feb 4, 2014 14:36:42 GMT -5
it is. Punk leaving is HUGE. He was a big star. The equivalent of when Angle left years ago. Difference is reason. Dirtsheets have reported Punk was frustrated with the company, other people have said he was just burnt out. We may never know the TRUE story behind this, but I do believe he will be back. Vince wants him back, because he knows Punk makes him money. Not just anyone can be put in that kind of spot. Punk earned everything he got, he was never "handed" anything.....it was just the opposite really. Guy busted his ASS and was treated like second....sometimes THIRD tier, despite getting the best reactions of the night. WWE doesn't truly care what the fans think. They care about what they believe in, and what they think is best for us. Agreed. Punk made money and was successful despite WWE. Theres not one person on the roster who's been more over in the last 3 years. Not Cena, not Bryan, not Orton... Obviously WWE took advantage of Punk's popularity for a while, but they still made him look like the 2nd biggest star - never allowed him to just have his moment. Much like Randy Savage in the 80s to Hogan. The only thing I would dispute with you is that I think this is MUCH BIGGER than when Angle left. When Angle left, the WWE had a lot of momentum going for other stars as Angle was taking a backseat trying to help the ECW brand take off. In this situation, Punk is the most over guy in the company next to Bryan (and maybe even moreso NOW). Angle, by mid 2006, was not the same Kurt Angle. Although there are parallels with them sort of having quiet years leading up to their departures, Punk was still moving a lot more merch and drawing a lot more of a reaction than Kurt in 2006.
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Post by HHH316 on Feb 4, 2014 14:36:50 GMT -5
Everyone needs to stop worrying about this. It will all get fixed on Monday. Why? Because Mark Henry returns! That'll fix everything!
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Post by The Yes Man on Feb 4, 2014 14:42:03 GMT -5
it is. Punk leaving is HUGE. He was a big star. The equivalent of when Angle left years ago. Difference is reason. Dirtsheets have reported Punk was frustrated with the company, other people have said he was just burnt out. We may never know the TRUE story behind this, but I do believe he will be back. Vince wants him back, because he knows Punk makes him money. Not just anyone can be put in that kind of spot. Punk earned everything he got, he was never "handed" anything.....it was just the opposite really. Guy busted his ASS and was treated like second....sometimes THIRD tier, despite getting the best reactions of the night. WWE doesn't truly care what the fans think. They care about what they believe in, and what they think is best for us. Agreed. Punk made money and was successful despite WWE. Theres not one person on the roster who's been more over in the last 3 years. Not Cena, not Bryan, not Orton... Obviously WWE took advantage of Punk's popularity for a while, but they still made him look like the 2nd biggest star - never allowed him to just have his moment. Much like Randy Savage in the 80s to Hogan. The only thing I would dispute with you is that I think this is MUCH BIGGER than when Angle left. When Angle left, the WWE had a lot of momentum going for other stars as Angle was taking a backseat trying to help the ECW brand take off. In this situation, Punk is the most over guy in the company next to Bryan (and maybe even moreso NOW). Angle, by mid 2006, was not the same Kurt Angle. Although there are parallels with them sort of having quiet years leading up to their departures, Punk was still moving a lot more merch and drawing a lot more of a reaction than Kurt in 2006. This isn't going to be a "Bryan is my favorite so I must defend him" post. This is a "That was a really stupid thing to say" post. CM Punk isn't half as over as Daniel Bryan. To say otherwise is quite frankly, moronic.
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Post by MattelsRule on Feb 4, 2014 14:47:04 GMT -5
Agreed. Punk made money and was successful despite WWE. Theres not one person on the roster who's been more over in the last 3 years. Not Cena, not Bryan, not Orton... Obviously WWE took advantage of Punk's popularity for a while, but they still made him look like the 2nd biggest star - never allowed him to just have his moment. Much like Randy Savage in the 80s to Hogan. The only thing I would dispute with you is that I think this is MUCH BIGGER than when Angle left. When Angle left, the WWE had a lot of momentum going for other stars as Angle was taking a backseat trying to help the ECW brand take off. In this situation, Punk is the most over guy in the company next to Bryan (and maybe even moreso NOW). Angle, by mid 2006, was not the same Kurt Angle. Although there are parallels with them sort of having quiet years leading up to their departures, Punk was still moving a lot more merch and drawing a lot more of a reaction than Kurt in 2006. This isn't going to be a "Bryan is my favorite so I must defend him" post. This is a "That was a really stupid thing to say" post. CM Punk isn't half as over as Daniel Bryan. To say otherwise is quite frankly, moronic. Moronic... yeah, go tell that to the crowd last night who I heard chant CM Punk more than I heard them chant Daniel Bryan... matter of fact, tell me how moronic it is next week and the week after when Punk's chants get louder and louder. The only reason Bryan has been more OVER this year is because quite simply, CM Punk has been neutered/watered down by WWE. Not trying to say this isn't Bryan's year because it sure as hell is. Right now, on the active roster, Bryan is the most over. HOWEVER, after all this controversy with Punk walking, if Punk came back next week, he'd be more over than Bryan. AND IT SUCKS FOR BRYAN. But its the truth. Not to mention, I actually stated "next to Bryan".
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Post by Doctor Worm on Feb 4, 2014 14:47:13 GMT -5
It is a work. If he really walked they would be taking shots at him left and right like they did with Austin and merchandise would be pulled. So they are making it look legit now by making it look different then the last time they did this with Punk. And if it isn't a work and he really walked out of a booked event...then the WWE should just let him rot at home. He would have done the one thing that is always said to be the worst thing you can do in the business and no show events you were promoted for. Punk while a better than average wrestlers isn't bigger then the business. And he hasn't given it his all since WM so why should they reward him with the main event at WM? But like I said above I do believe it is a work. Elvis and Tupac are not on an island somewhere making a duet, Bigfoot isn't real, and Little Green Aliens won't come and take your socks. This isn't a work. There's no way that WWE would cost themselves money just to run an angle. They're not Mike Quackenbush. CM Punk was pulled from Axxess signing, that people paid good money to see him for. They offered refunds to people who paid to see him. If WWE paid that much attention to detail, most dirtsheet sites would be defunct. Now, WWE won't let one of its most popular stars sit at home, while fans continue to ask for them, WWE is smarter than that. You look at CM Punk, and you can look at hoiw many toys he sells, how many shirts he sells, how many asses he puts in seats. Do you see how popular he is every time they go up north? It's insane. WWE would be foolish to not try to get him back. HOWEVER, I have sympathy with WWE in that fans need to realize that this is not WWE's doing. This is, for the most part, unless some details were omitted, CM Punk's decision. If he's tired, that's fine, but he's letting down a lot more than the fans if he leaves. Leaving this close to Wrestlemania leaves a big hole in the card that needs to be filled right now, and it affects EVERYONE if someone like CM Punk leaves.
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Post by AdamBomb on Feb 4, 2014 14:50:00 GMT -5
Everyone needs to stop worrying about this. It will all get fixed on Monday. Why? Because Mark Henry returns! That'll fix everything! Mark Henry?
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Post by The Yes Man on Feb 4, 2014 15:00:44 GMT -5
This isn't going to be a "Bryan is my favorite so I must defend him" post. This is a "That was a really stupid thing to say" post. CM Punk isn't half as over as Daniel Bryan. To say otherwise is quite frankly, moronic. Moronic... yeah, go tell that to the crowd last night who I heard chant CM Punk more than I heard them chant Daniel Bryan... matter of fact, tell me how moronic it is next week and the week after when Punk's chants get louder and louder. The only reason Bryan has been more OVER this year is because quite simply, CM Punk has been neutered/watered down by WWE. Not trying to say this isn't Bryan's year because it sure as hell is. Right now, on the active roster, Bryan is the most over. HOWEVER, after all this controversy with Punk walking, if Punk came back next week, he'd be more over than Bryan. AND IT SUCKS FOR BRYAN. But its the truth. Not to mention, I actually stated "next to Bryan". They chanted CM Punk very weakly for about 3 seconds at a time. They did it a few times sure, but if you added all of it up it would be less than a minute of CM Punk chants. Bryan kept the crowd chanting for awhile at a time. They also, While weakly, chanted Daniel Bryan at Batista. How about you without an excuse, give an example of how Punk is more over than Bryan. You said "In the past 3 years, nobody, not Orton, not Cena, and not Bryan has been more over than CM Punk." Coming back next week for Punk isn't going to make him suddenly have every single person in the arena in the palm of his hand the way Bryan does. "OMG! Punk, you were gone for two weeks we miss you so much!" You're completely downplaying how over Daniel Bryan is. It's not as if half the arena is faintly saying "Daniel Bryan" and "Yes." Punk is over, no doubt. But it doesn't compare to Daniel Bryan.
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Post by MattelsRule on Feb 4, 2014 15:12:11 GMT -5
Moronic... yeah, go tell that to the crowd last night who I heard chant CM Punk more than I heard them chant Daniel Bryan... matter of fact, tell me how moronic it is next week and the week after when Punk's chants get louder and louder. The only reason Bryan has been more OVER this year is because quite simply, CM Punk has been neutered/watered down by WWE. Not trying to say this isn't Bryan's year because it sure as hell is. Right now, on the active roster, Bryan is the most over. HOWEVER, after all this controversy with Punk walking, if Punk came back next week, he'd be more over than Bryan. AND IT SUCKS FOR BRYAN. But its the truth. Not to mention, I actually stated "next to Bryan". They chanted CM Punk very weakly for about 3 seconds at a time. They did it a few times sure, but if you added all of it up it would be less than a minute of CM Punk chants. Bryan kept the crowd chanting for awhile at a time. They also, While weakly, chanted Daniel Bryan at Batista. How about you without an excuse, give an example of how Punk is more over than Bryan. You said "In the past 3 years, nobody, not Orton, not Cena, and not Bryan has been more over than CM Punk." Coming back next week for Punk isn't going to make him suddenly have every single person in the arena in the palm of his hand the way Bryan does. "OMG! Punk, you were gone for two weeks we miss you so much!" You're completely downplaying how over Daniel Bryan is. It's not as if half the arena is faintly saying "Daniel Bryan" and "Yes." Punk is over, no doubt. But it doesn't compare to Daniel Bryan. The only reason you feel as though they chanted CM Punk "very weakly for about 3 seconds" is because WWE was lowering the crowd mics... also they seemed to chant for Punk in almost every segment. If you were to add it all up (including the WWE drowning crowd mic out), it would be more than a minute. But whatever, thats a moot point. It was also Omaha, Nebraska. I still stand with my statement that in the past 3 years, nobody has been more over - and I guess I should clarify that I mean consistently - Bryan is up there with him - but I do think Punk was more over in Summer of 2011 than Bryan is now. That's my opinion on it at least. I do think Punk has outsold Bryan in the merchandise booth at the very least. I'm not trying to downplay how over Bryan is. I just think that when/if Punk does return, his reaction will be crazy. Keeping up those reactions would depend on how he was booked though. What I do think, though, is the Punk walkout has taken a lot of steam away from Bryan - and like I said, that sucks for Bryan.
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Post by The Yes Man on Feb 4, 2014 15:26:34 GMT -5
They chanted CM Punk very weakly for about 3 seconds at a time. They did it a few times sure, but if you added all of it up it would be less than a minute of CM Punk chants. Bryan kept the crowd chanting for awhile at a time. They also, While weakly, chanted Daniel Bryan at Batista. How about you without an excuse, give an example of how Punk is more over than Bryan. You said "In the past 3 years, nobody, not Orton, not Cena, and not Bryan has been more over than CM Punk." Coming back next week for Punk isn't going to make him suddenly have every single person in the arena in the palm of his hand the way Bryan does. "OMG! Punk, you were gone for two weeks we miss you so much!" You're completely downplaying how over Daniel Bryan is. It's not as if half the arena is faintly saying "Daniel Bryan" and "Yes." Punk is over, no doubt. But it doesn't compare to Daniel Bryan. The only reason you feel as though they chanted CM Punk "very weakly for about 3 seconds" is because WWE was lowering the crowd mics... also they seemed to chant for Punk in almost every segment. If you were to add it all up (including the WWE drowning crowd mic out), it would be more than a minute. But whatever, thats a moot point. It was also Omaha, Nebraska. I still stand with my statement that in the past 3 years, nobody has been more over - and I guess I should clarify that I mean consistently - Bryan is up there with him - but I do think Punk was more over in Summer of 2011 than Bryan is now. That's my opinion on it at least. I do think Punk has outsold Bryan in the merchandise booth at the very least. I'm not trying to downplay how over Bryan is. I just think that when/if Punk does return, his reaction will be crazy. Keeping up those reactions would depend on how he was booked though. What I do think, though, is the Punk walkout has taken a lot of steam away from Bryan - and like I said, that sucks for Bryan. Honestly, you're just plain wrong on all of this. Bryan has been consistently over since his debut. Punk in 2011 was Super over. Bryan now is Super duper over. And like I said, being gone a few weeks isn't making anyone more over than Daniel Bryan.
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