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Post by MattelsRule on Feb 4, 2014 19:20:15 GMT -5
Did John Cena have a catch phrase that caught on like that? Its just "Lets go Cena, Cena Sucks" CM Punk however has "CM PUNK, CM PUNK, CM PUNK". Thats good enough for me. Some catch phrases that I can think of on top of my head are "HOOOOO" by Jim Duggan and "what" by Steve Austin. Neither one of those catch phrases made them a bigger star than someone else. Its just something the audience got hooked on. Bryan is over with a great catchphrase and even without it - however, thats not the end all be all of being OVER with the crowd... Hey now, thanks for your opinion friend. I guess? Now to anyone else who could answer my question instead of taking it as a personal attack against their beloved wrestler... Did Punk ever get as much attention with one of his mannerisms or something OUTSIDE of the WWE? The example here is the yes chants growing across the country at sporting events. Love how you take my response personally. I answered your question. He didn't need one. |
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Post by MattelsRule on Feb 4, 2014 19:23:19 GMT -5
Did John Cena have a catch phrase that caught on like that? Its just "Lets go Cena, Cena Sucks" CM Punk however has "CM PUNK, CM PUNK, CM PUNK". Thats good enough for me. Some catch phrases that I can think of on top of my head are "HOOOOO" by Jim Duggan and "what" by Steve Austin. Neither one of those catch phrases made them a bigger star than someone else. Its just something the audience got hooked on. Bryan is over with a great catchphrase and even without it - however, thats not the end all be all of being OVER with the crowd... Hey now, thanks for your opinion friend. I guess? Now to anyone else who could answer my question instead of taking it as a personal attack against their beloved wrestler... Did Punk ever get as much attention with one of his mannerisms or something OUTSIDE of the WWE? The example here is the yes chants growing across the country at sporting events. I mean I honestly don't think he ever had a catchphrase that caught on like that but I don't think Punk has ever really been the type to pander to the crowd in that same manner. |
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Feb 4, 2014 19:30:36 GMT -5
Hey now, thanks for your opinion friend. I guess? Now to anyone else who could answer my question instead of taking it as a personal attack against their beloved wrestler... Did Punk ever get as much attention with one of his mannerisms or something OUTSIDE of the WWE? The example here is the yes chants growing across the country at sporting events. Love how you take my response personally. I answered your question. He didn't need one. Actually, you took the time to point out a few examples of other wrestlers and their gimmicks that were used in crowds at WWE events. That's nice that the crowd at the wrestling event chanted CM Punk's name. My question was not "what is MattelsRule's opinion of other wrestlers having a catch phrase" but I appreciate you taking the time to miss the point twice now. It was asking if his stuff ever had as big of a following in other places. I wasn't even trying to put Punk down. It was just a question. I'm sorry, I just can't recall the last time I was watching a football game and the crowd started chanting CM Punk's name. If you can point me in the direction of that footage somewhere, you will have answered my question. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 19:55:06 GMT -5
When was the last time the WWE actually tried to 'work' the fans?
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Feb 4, 2014 20:02:57 GMT -5
When was the last time the WWE actually tried to 'work' the fans? Mark Henry's retirement angle? Even the dirt sheets had that reported as legit. Before that, I think, was CM Punk leaving in 2011. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 4, 2014 21:14:14 GMT -5
The Raw ratings are down half a million viewers from last week. It would seem that the announcement of CM Punk's departure had a pretty big negative impact on the product. False. The night after the Rumble is usually one of the strongest ratings of the year, so the following week traditionally has a significant fall-off anyway. If anything, a major star controversially leaving would entice viewers to watch and see if it's a storyline and how it plays out. Clearly,in Punk's case, people didn't know about the situation or didn't care. The show fell off hugely from hour one to hour two, and then again to hour three (which is not unusual in this era). The rating can be attributed to general trail-off from the post-Rumble high... An unappealing main event in Bryan vs Orton #57878753902... And lack of John Cena, Brock Lesnar and CM Punk segments to up the quarters. There was just very little on the show that would hook a channel-changer. The average viewership decline from the Raw post Rumble to the following Raw is 361,000 viewers over the last five years. Last nights episode of Raw lost 508,000 viewers, so a 146,400 viewer swing. If you compare this year to the singular year of 2012, then it's completely normal, except for the fact that 2012 is an anomaly year over the last 8 years until there is enough data to prove otherwise, which there is not. Even compared to last years numbers, it's still a roughly 118,000 viewer difference, as long as we are comparing singular years. Also, only the internet reads news stories online and screams "work"! Punk departing the company was national news, and plenty of people were pissed or turned off by WWE. You have absolutely zero emphatic proof that Punk's departure was any less responsible for the drop in viewership than any of your other assumptions, and by that I mean your opinion, about why you think there was such a big change. That's not saying I don't agree with a portion of your assessment, as I believe Orton vs Bryan 9,000 is certainly a channel changer to casual viewers, but I also think Punk's nationally advertised absence completely played into that ratings decline. We're talking about our opinion over variable change in ratings. There is no true or "false" here, just opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 22:16:32 GMT -5
It's 100% a work.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Feb 4, 2014 22:48:42 GMT -5
False. The night after the Rumble is usually one of the strongest ratings of the year, so the following week traditionally has a significant fall-off anyway. If anything, a major star controversially leaving would entice viewers to watch and see if it's a storyline and how it plays out. Clearly,in Punk's case, people didn't know about the situation or didn't care. The show fell off hugely from hour one to hour two, and then again to hour three (which is not unusual in this era). The rating can be attributed to general trail-off from the post-Rumble high... An unappealing main event in Bryan vs Orton #57878753902... And lack of John Cena, Brock Lesnar and CM Punk segments to up the quarters. There was just very little on the show that would hook a channel-changer. The average viewership decline from the Raw post Rumble to the following Raw is 361,000 viewers over the last five years. Last nights episode of Raw lost 508,000 viewers, so a 146,400 viewer swing. If you compare this year to the singular year of 2012, then it's completely normal, except for the fact that 2012 is an anomaly year over the last 8 years until there is enough data to prove otherwise, which there is not. Even compared to last years numbers, it's still a roughly 118,000 viewer difference, as long as we are comparing singular years. Right, but a show that loses John Cena and Brock Lesnar from last week is obviously going to drop by a huge amount. Those guys, as well as Punk, push their quarters higher because people tune in when their segments come on. Without their segments, the show hooks less viewers. It's silly to think that it's down to some boycott over CM Punk taking his ball home. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Feb 4, 2014 23:10:20 GMT -5
I think you are WAY wrong. They arent taking shots b/c they are in hopes of trying to get him back. I think removing his image from video packages is just a precautionary measure for the real possibility that he wont be returning. Sorry but the biggest tell is his merch is still on wwe shop. If he really walked there's no way they still sell his merchadise. They would pull it as a FU to him. There is no way they would let him have anything. If they give in to him at all it would be like the "inmates running the asylum" then everyone would walk for better deals or creative control and there is no way the WWE would allow it. WWE is a business. Kaitlyn is gone, like 100% gone, and yet they still have her merch. for sale. Jeff Hardy was actively working in TNA and his dvd was still up for sale on Shop.....at full price. The reason they havent clearanced Punk's merch. is simple. They are trying to sway him back. They want him to return. You will know when its over and WWE decides enough is enough and cut ties....by when his merch. hits the clearance rack. Right now....he is still being courted to return. Not gonna have much positive things to relay while Punk is being tweeted every 5 seconds that all his merchandise is on the clearance rack. I think you are WAY wrong. They arent taking shots b/c they are in hopes of trying to get him back. I think removing his image from video packages is just a precautionary measure for the real possibility that he wont be returning. I think this is the most sensible explanation. If this is a work then it is all playing into a surprise return angle. If it isn't a work, then WWE is saying and doing as little as possible until it is definite he is gone or returning which leaves their options open for a story-line explanation of his disappearance. Thank you. |
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Post by PJ on Feb 4, 2014 23:20:33 GMT -5
Sorry but the biggest tell is his merch is still on wwe shop. If he really walked there's no way they still sell his merchadise. They would pull it as a FU to him. There is no way they would let him have anything. If they give in to him at all it would be like the "inmates running the asylum" then everyone would walk for better deals or creative control and there is no way the WWE would allow it. WWE is a business. Kaitlyn is gone, like 100% gone, and yet they still have her merch. for sale. Jeff Hardy was actively working in TNA and his dvd was still up for sale on Shop.....at full price. The reason they havent clearanced Punk's merch. is simple. They are trying to sway him back. They want him to return. You will know when its over and WWE decides enough is enough and cut ties....by when his merch. hits the clearance rack. Right now....he is still being courted to return. Not gonna have much positive things to relay while Punk is being tweeted every 5 seconds that all his merchandise is on the clearance rack. I think this is the most sensible explanation. If this is a work then it is all playing into a surprise return angle. If it isn't a work, then WWE is saying and doing as little as possible until it is definite he is gone or returning which leaves their options open for a story-line explanation of his disappearance. Thank you. Sorry I don't buy it. If he really walked then they would need to cut ties with him. There is no way they could take him back and have any authority. Because if he walked and they give him anything to come back they lose the control they have on the locker room. Because what's to stop everyone else from walking off for better contracts/story lines? The WWE wouldn't survive if he really walked they gave in to him. I guess we'll have to disagree. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 23:22:01 GMT -5
If this was all some grand work, WWE would NOT be risking thousands and thousands of dollars worth of refunds for tickets to house shows and tickets for Axxess. They wouldn't go as far as losing money to make you believe something you're probably gonna theorize as a work anyway no matter what anyone does or tells you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 23:22:22 GMT -5
Hey now, thanks for your opinion friend. I guess? Now to anyone else who could answer my question instead of taking it as a personal attack against their beloved wrestler... Did Punk ever get as much attention with one of his mannerisms or something OUTSIDE of the WWE? The example here is the yes chants growing across the country at sporting events. I mean I honestly don't think he ever had a catchphrase that caught on like that but I don't think Punk has ever really been the type to pander to the crowd in that same manner. I agree with you, Punks never needed phrases, he has always billed himself as different than everyone else. His thing was "shoot" promos were he would run his mouth on the politics backstage and him just being real.... I don't get what the this guy is trying to say?? having a catchphrase that the crowd chants over and over makes you bigger than another wrestler? Hogan never had anything like that, Rock never had anything like that (he did have things the crowd would follow along with but thats different) and Austin during his main run and biggest point of him being over never had that (what? was towards the end of his career) |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Feb 4, 2014 23:36:50 GMT -5
WWE is a business. Kaitlyn is gone, like 100% gone, and yet they still have her merch. for sale. Jeff Hardy was actively working in TNA and his dvd was still up for sale on Shop.....at full price. The reason they havent clearanced Punk's merch. is simple. They are trying to sway him back. They want him to return. You will know when its over and WWE decides enough is enough and cut ties....by when his merch. hits the clearance rack. Right now....he is still being courted to return. Not gonna have much positive things to relay while Punk is being tweeted every 5 seconds that all his merchandise is on the clearance rack. Thank you. Sorry I don't buy it. If he really walked then they would need to cut ties with him. There is no way they could take him back and have any authority. Because if he walked and they give him anything to come back they lose the control they have on the locker room. Because what's to stop everyone else from walking off for better contracts/story lines? The WWE wouldn't survive if he really walked they gave in to him. I guess we'll have to disagree. But they have done this before. When Warrior walked, Vince tried to get him back and failed. When Austin walked, Vince DID get him back albeit a little bit down the road. I agree with you on the possibly losing control of the locker room and whats to stop others for doing it? Thats why I said its entirely unprofessional on Punk's part. And I am somewhat shocked that Vince would reach out and try and get Punk back. But then again, history says thats Vince. |
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Post by PJ on Feb 4, 2014 23:40:28 GMT -5
I don't think Vince went after either of them. I am pretty sure he didn't give into them, but rather they gave in to him because they were losing money.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Feb 4, 2014 23:41:17 GMT -5
In terms of "overness", Punk and Bryan are about level. Bryan has a slightly more sustained reaction due to the YES chants, whereas Punk gets a louder pop on entrance. They also chant Punk's name just as loudly as they do Bryan's, and there's a similar reaction for the "hot tag", etc. They are the most popular men in the company atm, though - that's a fact. Agreed. Punk made money and was successful despite WWE. Theres not one person on the roster who's been more over in the last 3 years. Not Cena, not Bryan, not Orton... Obviously WWE took advantage of Punk's popularity for a while, but they still made him look like the 2nd biggest star - never allowed him to just have his moment. Much like Randy Savage in the 80s to Hogan. The only thing I would dispute with you is that I think this is MUCH BIGGER than when Angle left. When Angle left, the WWE had a lot of momentum going for other stars as Angle was taking a backseat trying to help the ECW brand take off. In this situation, Punk is the most over guy in the company next to Bryan (and maybe even moreso NOW). Angle, by mid 2006, was not the same Kurt Angle. Although there are parallels with them sort of having quiet years leading up to their departures, Punk was still moving a lot more merch and drawing a lot more of a reaction than Kurt in 2006. This isn't going to be a "Bryan is my favorite so I must defend him" post. This is a "That was a really stupid thing to say" post. CM Punk isn't half as over as Daniel Bryan. To say otherwise is quite frankly, moronic. Look who's talking... I think you need to clean your ears out - either that, or fix the sound on your TV. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 23:45:36 GMT -5
If this was all some grand work, WWE would NOT be risking thousands and thousands of dollars worth of refunds for tickets to house shows and tickets for Axxess. They wouldn't go as far as losing money to make you believe something you're probably gonna theorize as a work anyway no matter what anyone does or tells you. Suprise twist, the people they're "refunding" are employees so they're not really losing anything. Besides I doubt many people really would drop axxess because one person left unless they only planned on meeting punk and then leaving. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 23:50:29 GMT -5
WWE is a business. Kaitlyn is gone, like 100% gone, and yet they still have her merch. for sale. Jeff Hardy was actively working in TNA and his dvd was still up for sale on Shop.....at full price. The reason they havent clearanced Punk's merch. is simple. They are trying to sway him back. They want him to return. You will know when its over and WWE decides enough is enough and cut ties....by when his merch. hits the clearance rack. Right now....he is still being courted to return. Not gonna have much positive things to relay while Punk is being tweeted every 5 seconds that all his merchandise is on the clearance rack. Thank you. Sorry I don't buy it. If he really walked then they would need to cut ties with him. There is no way they could take him back and have any authority. Because if he walked and they give him anything to come back they lose the control they have on the locker room. Because what's to stop everyone else from walking off for better contracts/story lines? The WWE wouldn't survive if he really walked they gave in to him. I guess we'll have to disagree. Very few have the pull that Punk has though in terms of being over and sales.....who else would be able to do that without Vince laughing at them? Cena, Bryan & Orton?.......and Cena/Orton have pretty much gotten all that they have wanted...... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 23:55:31 GMT -5
If this was all some grand work, WWE would NOT be risking thousands and thousands of dollars worth of refunds for tickets to house shows and tickets for Axxess. They wouldn't go as far as losing money to make you believe something you're probably gonna theorize as a work anyway no matter what anyone does or tells you. Suprise twist, the people they're "refunding" are employees so they're not really losing anything. Besides I doubt many people really would drop axxess because one person left unless they only planned on meeting punk and then leaving. Surprise Twist: Punk was VIP and you had to get a VIP ticket just for him, so I'm thinking a lot of people that paid extra to meet Punk would want their money back for the VIP ticket if they weren't going to meet Punk. |
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Post by King Silva on Feb 4, 2014 23:55:34 GMT -5
Wow I didn't even know they removed him from all the opening videos.
That's not good..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 23:56:42 GMT -5
Suprise twist, the people they're "refunding" are employees so they're not really losing anything. Besides I doubt many people really would drop axxess because one person left unless they only planned on meeting punk and then leaving. Surprise Twist: Punk was VIP and you had to get a VIP ticket just for him, so I'm thinking a lot of people that paid extra to meet Punk would want their money back for the VIP ticket if they weren't going to meet Punk. Weren't there like four other people in VIP though? |
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