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Post by The Yes Man on Feb 5, 2014 0:02:29 GMT -5
In terms of "overness", Punk and Bryan are about level. Bryan has a slightly more sustained reaction due to the YES chants, whereas Punk gets a louder pop on entrance, and they also chant Punk's name just as loudly as they do Bryan's. They are the most popular men in the company atm, though - that's a fact. This isn't going to be a "Bryan is my favorite so I must defend him" post. This is a "That was a really stupid thing to say" post. CM Punk isn't half as over as Daniel Bryan. To say otherwise is quite frankly, moronic. I think you need to clean your ears out - either that, or fix the sound on your TV... It's not my fault my TV is older than I am... (Seriously. ) I was exaggerating. But Bryan is still more over. By a significant amount.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 0:03:35 GMT -5
Surprise Twist: Punk was VIP and you had to get a VIP ticket just for him, so I'm thinking a lot of people that paid extra to meet Punk would want their money back for the VIP ticket if they weren't going to meet Punk. Weren't there like four other people in VIP though? Yeah, that you have to buy individual tickets for individual autograph sessions for. VIP Ticket For Punk, VIP Ticket For Cena, so on. So people that bought an extra ticket to specifically meet Punk, would probably want their money back if Punk wasn't gonna be there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 0:18:21 GMT -5
Then I misunderstood the VIP ticket.
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 5, 2014 0:42:57 GMT -5
The average viewership decline from the Raw post Rumble to the following Raw is 361,000 viewers over the last five years. Last nights episode of Raw lost 508,000 viewers, so a 146,400 viewer swing. If you compare this year to the singular year of 2012, then it's completely normal, except for the fact that 2012 is an anomaly year over the last 8 years until there is enough data to prove otherwise, which there is not. Even compared to last years numbers, it's still a roughly 118,000 viewer difference, as long as we are comparing singular years. Right, but a show that loses John Cena and Brock Lesnar from last week is obviously going to drop by a huge amount. Those guys, as well as Punk, push their quarters higher because people tune in when their segments come on. Without their segments, the show hooks less viewers. It's silly to think that it's down to some boycott over CM Punk taking his ball home. Oh no, I agree. I'm completely with you on the channel changers. I'm not suggesting it's some kind of boycott that drove fans away either, that gimmick belongs to the Daniel Bryan fans. For me though, it's impossible to think that bad publicity didn't turn viewers off the program, and CM Punk leaving was the bad press. I think enough fans, in a pool of nearly 5 million fans, call Punk their favorite wrestler, and his absence was enough for them to not watch. I would say the same if it was Cena. I guess what I'm really saying is that there are a select few guys on the roster that I believe have enough fans to truly move the rating in a full time capacity with their presence and I believe Punk is one of those guys, along with Cena obviously.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Feb 5, 2014 1:07:23 GMT -5
I mean I honestly don't think he ever had a catchphrase that caught on like that but I don't think Punk has ever really been the type to pander to the crowd in that same manner. I agree with you, Punks never needed phrases, he has always billed himself as different than everyone else. His thing was "shoot" promos were he would run his mouth on the politics backstage and him just being real.... I don't get what the this guy is trying to say?? having a catchphrase that the crowd chants over and over makes you bigger than another wrestler? Hogan never had anything like that, Rock never had anything like that (he did have things the crowd would follow along with but thats different) and Austin during his main run and biggest point of him being over never had that (what? was towards the end of his career) I guess I'll leave it alone after this, but I'm not trying to say anything. Good grief, I understand the concept of a catch phrase and it not making someone more important than another. Read this last part without the idea that I'm trying to prove a point about Punk or anyone else: With the example of the current trend of Daniel Bryan's Yes chants occurring at basketball and football games; Has Punk or any other wrestler had some part of their gimmick or catch phrase get used by fans OUTSIDE of a wrestling event?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 1:24:14 GMT -5
I agree with you, Punks never needed phrases, he has always billed himself as different than everyone else. His thing was "shoot" promos were he would run his mouth on the politics backstage and him just being real.... I don't get what the this guy is trying to say?? having a catchphrase that the crowd chants over and over makes you bigger than another wrestler? Hogan never had anything like that, Rock never had anything like that (he did have things the crowd would follow along with but thats different) and Austin during his main run and biggest point of him being over never had that (what? was towards the end of his career) I guess I'll leave it alone after this, but I'm not trying to say anything. Good grief, I understand the concept of a catch phrase and it not making someone more important than another. Read this last part without the idea that I'm trying to prove a point about Punk or anyone else: With the example of the current trend of Daniel Bryan's Yes chants occurring at basketball and football games; Has Punk or any other wrestler had some part of their gimmick or catch phrase get used by fans OUTSIDE of a wrestling event? No you're probably right....Bryan has been able to leak in to pop culture for now, but what point are you trying to make about it? Does that make him more over than Punk because of it? If so, I would say this whole incident with Punk leaving has ironically made Punk more over than Bryan lately. The IWC has not stop been talking about Punk and the crowds that were all over Bryan were chanting we want Punk all night on Raw.........
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Post by RybackV1 on Feb 5, 2014 1:51:08 GMT -5
It's either an AMAZING work or
Vince dosent want punk back at all. He left like a bitch. And they are already taking steps into Benoit'ing his ass out of the history books. If he wanted him back (if this is real) then why would he be blurring him out of EVERYTHING imaginable as if he never existed? He obviously hates him and never wants to see his face again if he really pulled an Austin and quit.
But god. I hope it's a work. I'm just not confident enough in today's creative team to believe it to be.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 2:05:24 GMT -5
It's either an AMAZING work or Vince dosent want punk back at all. He left like a bitch. And they are already taking steps into Benoit'ing his ass out of the history books. If he wanted him back (if this is real) then why would he be blurring him out of EVERYTHING imaginable as if he never existed? He obviously hates him and never wants to see his face again if he really pulled an Austin and quit. But god. I hope it's a work. I'm just not confident enough in today's creative team to believe it to be. As others have stated the amount of money that has already been lost from cancelations of events that punk was promised to be at has made it very evident that this is not a work. However, if Punk and Vince can come to a agreement, say Punk comes out in a month or so and does another pipe bomb promo on his issues backstage......imagine the reaction and the buzz that would be generated......have him go through some build that would ultimately get him into the mainevent at WM.....I would say Vince would make his money back that's been lost ten fold.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 2:26:15 GMT -5
Why is it that WWE took Punk off the signature opening and basically out of every video package that he was in so hastily? If this is an ongoing situation and the WWE is looking to make it right, why just crap on him and take him out of videos like that? Just seems typical WWE - childish. I understand he walked out - but WWE should AT LEAST acknowledge it and take it from there. Seems there is no chance of a reconciliation anytime soon if they are going to go so far out of their way to act like a butthurt ex girlfriend. because they have to pay him for that stuff....if he isn't meeting the obligations of his contract, they can legally stop sending him checks (contract comes to a halt) if he's on WWE tv, or their network or video clips in any way....there's a small amount of residual profits he's promised in his contract that they'd owe him & basically, they took him off all that until they get him to come back..if he does, so they aren't giving money to someone that isn't going to perform for them
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 2:30:58 GMT -5
Ugh. Wow what a mess.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Feb 5, 2014 2:33:56 GMT -5
but what point are you trying to make about it? For the forth damned time, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE A POINT! It was just a question that I didn't know the answer to. I've seen athletes copy wrestler's taunts like Taker's throat slash and Cena's "you can't see me" but I didn't remember the fans ever doing the Yes chant or something like that at a non-WWE event. I wondered if anyone else had. I'm not trying to imply that Bryan is more adored than Punk or vice versa, though a couple of you seemed to have a hard time grasping that, even when I spelled it out for you.
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Post by Jack on Feb 5, 2014 2:49:09 GMT -5
The way I see it, there are plenty of people who would love to be in Punks position, if he doesnt want it, thats fine, plenty others to choose from.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 2:51:34 GMT -5
but what point are you trying to make about it? For the forth damned time, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE A POINT! It was just a question that I didn't know the answer to. I've seen athletes copy wrestler's taunts like Taker's throat slash and Cena's "you can't see me" but I didn't remember the fans ever doing the Yes chant or something like that at a non-WWE event. I wondered if anyone else had. I'm not trying to imply that Bryan is more adored than Punk or vice versa, though a couple of you seemed to have a hard time grasping that, even when I spelled it out for you. Fair enough.....I caught the end of your argument with the other poster and it wasn't clear what you were trying to say. Looking back at your original post, no Punk never had a catchphrase crossover to pop culture.....mainly because he doesn't really have one. I remember buzz was generated on talk shows outside of wrestling from his pipe bomb promo but that's about it. In saying that its obvious that you have some point you're trying to making because the whole "I can't ever remember hearing "voice of the voiceless" or "best in the world" being chanted at football or basketball games. " sounds like your question was more rhetorical.......
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Post by Dan on Feb 5, 2014 3:48:20 GMT -5
Probably to prove that no man is bigger than the Company. The difference between now and back when Punk first threatened to walk out on the WWE and cut his infamous promo, is that the WWE really did need him. Now though, they have Daniel Bryan. They have Brock Lesnar. They have Batista back, The Rock has been back, Sting is all but signed.
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Post by SteveHulk on Feb 5, 2014 6:02:09 GMT -5
If Punk doesn't want to be there, why are people so eager to see him back? He's turned his back on the fans and the company... he can stay gone, if that's how he feels. WWE/Wrestlemania doesn't need Punk... they've lost or done without FAR bigger stars than him (Hogan, Austin, Rock etc.).
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Post by HalfBlackRazorback on Feb 5, 2014 6:37:40 GMT -5
Probably to prove that no man is bigger than the Company. The difference between now and back when Punk first threatened to walk out on the WWE and cut his infamous promo, is that the WWE really did need him. Now though, they have Daniel Bryan. They have Brock Lesnar. They have Batista back, The Rock has been back, Sting is all but signed. Lesnar is on a limited date contract. IMO Batistas body will give out and or he will not be an effective hand, the Rock hasn't been seen since Mania 29 in any huge aspect, and Sting is 54 years old. They kind of need Punk.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Feb 5, 2014 7:50:31 GMT -5
I'm hoping it's a work, but either way if/when he comes back they're gonna treat it like a work, like he didn't just walk out on them.
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