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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 17:52:04 GMT -5
Cena d. Taker by chair shot to head at Mania, heel turn complete.
He would be the most hated heel ever, truly hated.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Mar 12, 2014 17:52:18 GMT -5
Not a bad idea, but Cena won't be a heel until WWE has another wrestler who is on the same level as Cena. He gets a ton of crap from "smart" wrestling fans, but the guy is one of the five biggest wrestlers of all time. If Bryan gets to that level with Cena, the Rock, Hogan, Austin, and Undertaker then by all means, a turn for Cena makes sense.
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Post by ricflair4ever on Mar 12, 2014 18:37:03 GMT -5
Aside from all the reasons given about whuy it wont happen, im gonna give one as to why it shouldnt happen. There simply arent enough first string babyfaces in WWE right now. Guys like Roman Reigns and Cesaro arent even faces yet. Undertaker is there for Mania only. Punk is gone. Former big time players like Mysterio and Big Show are not the headliners they once were. And Ziggler isnt showcased in that manor right now. So that leaves Cena and Bryan as the marquee face attractions. Turning either one would be a bad move right now. Im not saying Cena wont ever go heel, but now is definitely not the time for it to occur.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 18:49:39 GMT -5
As covered above Cena wont be turning until they get somebody to fill his shoes. That person is nowhere in sight....He is a merch machine and wont be going anyplace character wise until he isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 1:01:49 GMT -5
I personally love the idea, but just like Undertaker's streak never breaking I honestly can't see Cena bring heel again for reasons already mentioned. It goes to show that image and money truly affects everything, especially against the grain of what would exponentially breathe new life into an incredibly stale performer.
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Post by slappy on Mar 13, 2014 1:03:31 GMT -5
He should have been the Authority's champion. With the tension with Randy, they dump him for Cena.
They planted the seeds but never followed through.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Mar 13, 2014 1:07:41 GMT -5
Odds are he turns heel one day. Just not anytime soon. This one.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Mar 13, 2014 1:08:24 GMT -5
He should have been the Authority's champion. With the tension with Randy, they dump him for Cena. They planted the seeds but never followed through. As with so many potentially great storylines.
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Post by Alpha Q Up on Mar 13, 2014 20:24:02 GMT -5
I personally love the idea, but just like Undertaker's streak never breaking I honestly can't see Cena bring heel again for reasons already mentioned. It goes to show that image and money truly affects everything, especially against the grain of what would exponentially breathe new life into an incredibly stale performer. Yeah, this is what irks me. My biggest problem with all of this is that you can see that Cena himself is getting bored of the same old shtick. He becomes champion by defying all odds, holds it for awhile until a new top heel takes it, leaves for a little while with an injury, returns and has a top card non-title feud with another heel, defeats that guy, comes back to the title picture, wins and the cycle starts all over again. His promos as a face are the definition of corny, suck-up, stale mic work. I mean you have to get tired of doing and saying the same damn thing week in and week out, right? Turning would be best for the quality of the product, not so much the business though. All the WWE cares about is the business side, so that's all that matters. Quality =/= Money, the WWE knows this and until they start losing money (with this new WWE Network, we can kiss goodbye to that) the product won't change.
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Mar 13, 2014 21:06:16 GMT -5
You look at John Cena as a man. Sure, for years, that's how I looked at it too. He was just a stale guy to go through. You can't look at him that way anymore because of the responsibilities. REAL-LIFE RESPONSIBILITIES!!! The way I see it, John Cena......John Cena is a brand. A brand that is good for business, and you can't be the one to let that brand end to stroke your own ego because it's bad for business.
I'm not going to be the one to turn Cena heel. You won't do it because THEY want you to do it. I sure as Hell ain't doing it to feed my own ego. And you sure as Hell aren't doing it to feed YOUR ego because you want to live vicariously through me to get done the things that YOU COULDN'T GET DONE!!!
FORGET IT, OP!!!! IT'S CHINATOWN!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 21:12:30 GMT -5
I personally love the idea, but just like Undertaker's streak never breaking I honestly can't see Cena bring heel again for reasons already mentioned. It goes to show that image and money truly affects everything, especially against the grain of what would exponentially breathe new life into an incredibly stale performer. Yeah, this is what irks me. My biggest problem with all of this is that you can see that Cena himself is getting bored of the same old shtick. He becomes champion by defying all odds, holds it for awhile until a new top heel takes it, leaves for a little while with an injury, returns and has a top card non-title feud with another heel, defeats that guy, comes back to the title picture, wins and the cycle starts all over again. His promos as a face are the definition of corny, suck-up, stale mic work. I mean you have to get tired of doing and saying the same damn thing week in and week out, right? Turning would be best for the quality of the product, not so much the business though. All the WWE cares about is the business side, so that's all that matters. Quality =/= Money, the WWE knows this and until they start losing money (with this new WWE Network, we can kiss goodbye to that) the product won't change. Thank you, I agree with your take on it 100% as well.
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Post by Chief on Mar 13, 2014 22:03:14 GMT -5
Look at the Best Merchandise Sellers list and you'll see why Cena isn't turning heel anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2014 22:14:55 GMT -5
While I DO believe that Cena will eventually turn heel again, I don't see it happening any time soon.
That being said, I'd totally support it if it did happen that way. Not a bad idea...
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Post by seductivemullet2 on Mar 13, 2014 23:16:41 GMT -5
I haven't thought about a Cena heel turn in a while bc I also thought it would never happen.
...but he does keep telling Bray the only way to the top is thru him. So why would it be different for Bryan?
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Post by Robert69 on Mar 14, 2014 4:06:15 GMT -5
Roman Reigns will be the face after Cena. He's already managed to get the fan base on his side (adults and kids) -- and the WWE has to be stoked about that. The dude has the look, the talent, and the lineage -- and from what is said, he works hard. And is clearly improving.
Daniel Bryan will never be what John Cena is. Just like CM Punk isn't/wasn't. DB gets some of the largest pops I've heard since Rock/SCSA days -- but his mic work is nearly bad enough to change the channel. Punk is obviously stellar on the mic, and talented in the ring -- but a selfish, and egocentric performer. Batista pulled the same thing, and he was blasted. IWC baby Punk does it and "he clearly had a reason to do so". Doesn't matter what fanboys say -- neither one are the marketing powerhouses that Cena is. Hell, SHEAMUS is closer.
It's a business over an art. I do believe Cena will go heel, I just don't think it will happen until Reigns/Bray/Cody/Cesaro/Big E/Rollins etc -- are able to draw the way Cena does. My money is 110% on Reigns as the top face, Bray as the top heel, at this point. But this topic goes hand in hand with WWE starting to build their future stars up, more. It's time. As soon as they've done that properly -- we'll see Cena change it up.
I look forward to it, but I'm not expecting it for at least another year, or two.
*Edit* I'll also note -- if you need further proof. Look back a few years when Jeff Hardy was working nightly. If ANYONE in recent memory could have dismounted Cena -- it was Hardy. They still didn't pull the proverbial trigger.
To be honest, this whole "you're gonna be the top guy, you go through me" Cena thing has been on lately -- does make you wonder. Cena's never been particularly arrogant -- but that's what he's coming off as. So, we shall see.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Mar 14, 2014 4:18:38 GMT -5
Bryan can be a great in-between "the guy" I think his mic work has gotten pretty good--certainly not perfect, nowhere near Punk, but it's still fun as heck cheering for him and he's seemingly a good guy.
He won't be what Cena has been. Cena deserves his spot as #1 face because all the outside work he's done throughout his career and because of that you really can't have him turn heel. At the end of the day the younger kids need him to be a face. D Bry is a great co #1 face and he's more directed at the the teen+ crowd. Reigns will be the next edgy teen+ face and I would guess Big E will become the next younger kids #1 face if he can pull some mic skills together.
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Post by Jamie on Mar 14, 2014 4:23:38 GMT -5
This would be a moment never forgotten, or they could have Cena interfere and screw Bryan out of the belt and the show ends with HHH, Steph, Orton, Cena and Batista standing together with Batista and Orton holding respective belts. Would hate it, but it'd be iconic.
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Post by ✖ AJ on Mar 14, 2014 4:26:45 GMT -5
As much as I'd like to see Cena turn heel, it may be better held off to the point where he is towards the end of his career - just like the Hulkster.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Mar 14, 2014 10:45:18 GMT -5
Never gonna happen. Bryan will feud with Batista into the April PPV and drop the belt to him. Batista and Cena will feud into the summer.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Mar 14, 2014 12:20:12 GMT -5
Not until he's at the end of his career. As long as he keeps going as he is now the kids will always like him. The kids that were 6 in 2006 and cheering for him are 14 now - there's a whole new generation of Cena loving kids out there, and if he keeps going strong then another one will come along soon.
When he goes heel it'll be on his terms for a second to last run (with one last face run afterwards, maybe like Hogan in 2002).
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