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Post by DeadManFan92 on Apr 2, 2014 19:20:32 GMT -5
For the past 3 years, even though Undertaker is rarely on television until WrestleMania season, he still works backstage and at the WWE facility helping train new talent. I love seeing him come back, so no I will never get tired of seeing my favorite wrestler who created so many memories of my childhood return! He has done so much for Vince and the entire company, carrying them for many years, that he has earned anything he wants.
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Post by Alpha Q Up on Apr 2, 2014 20:11:28 GMT -5
I'm actually more tired of the part time fans to be honest We're tired of you marks who put money into the company's pocket year in and out regardless of the quality, especially when the product is subpar. 2012 & 2013 were a good years, and 2014 looks like it's going to be another good year..but lets not act like the company hasn't been complete crap for most of the past 5-6 years.
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Post by King Richius on Apr 2, 2014 20:39:50 GMT -5
Batista is back full-time. It is unfair to lump him in with part-timers like Rock or Lesnar. I think he will get better in the ring as four years of rust fades and I'm glad the unexpected fan reaction gave us Heeltista instead of another generic face.
Lesnar is still a big attraction and so far hasn't really taken any current stars spot away from them. He has been involved in high profile "dream" matches against Cena, HHH, Punk, and now Taker. I'm cool with that as the matches have delivered for the most part and Lesnar has lost as much as he has won.
Taker is Taker. As long as he can wrestle he will probably come back for WM and the Streak. If he is going to win I'd rather it be a "dream" match against a Lesnar or HHH or HBK or Cena or Rock or Sting etc. I don't see how losing to Taker at WM helps any current stars career so save one of them for if/when the streak is ended. WM is 4 hours instead of the usual 3 hour PPV so give Taker and his fans their 30 minutes of nostalgia.
Jericho and RVD come back as part-timers but they work full-time schedules when they are around and they work with current stars in an effort to elevate them. Its not their fault Del Rio couldn't capitalize on WHC feud with RVD or Ziggler didn't do more after his feud with Jericho. Actually, its not Ziggler's or Del Rio's fault either. It was more a case of writer fail. Okay, maybe a little of it is Del Rio's fault for being so bland.
Rock is the only part-timer I didn't enjoy seeing come back. He showed up sparingly, regurgitated 10 year old catch phrases, had bad matches, and was given a title he didn't deserve. All his return did was take away the spotlight from a current star who could have done a lot more with it (Punk vs Cena WM main event for the WWE title would have been a much better match than Cena/Rock II). I'll get hate for saying this but I think Rock's return was completely self-serving and tarnished his reputation as a top star from the Attitude Era.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 22:09:34 GMT -5
You know Batista isn't part time right? He's back for the next 2 years..why does everyone keep saying he's part time..he's been on every Raw since returning and will continue to be..he's even been on Smackdown..The guys not part time
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 23:44:20 GMT -5
Lesnar and Ambrose are the only reasons I even watch anymore. So no, I'm not tired of part timers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 3:02:33 GMT -5
I didn't have a problem with The Rock in 2011/2012 bit after ahile he just got boring.
Rock didn't seem the same he seemed really hollywood to me and not like the heel Rock from 2003.
I like having Brock around always liked Lesnar in WWE.
Undertaker can come back at anytime he has been in WWE for over 20 years now never left for another company and I always respected that he was loyal to WWE.
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Post by thespecialone on Apr 3, 2014 3:20:24 GMT -5
They cant create new stars so WWE has no option but use the part timers.
The few stars they do seem to create they cant hold on to.
So yeah...i'd rather have the Rock for a day than Big E for a season.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Apr 3, 2014 3:58:23 GMT -5
Undertaker should not be considered a part timer in a negative manner.
He carried the company as a star player when The Rock just walked away, Austin had to retire, through Hell & High Water the Undertaker stayed true to the promotion that made him & the craft he loves.
He is the single most dedicated main-eventer in WWE in the last 20 years. His defense of the streak is a blessing to us as fans. You know any individual with the business sense of Callaway has put away plenty of money from years of being a top draw. The argument for his continuation of the streak out of passion over profits, is the strongest of the reasonable explanations.
Batista is getting back into the swing of wrestling full time. He'll earn back the respect of the fans by taking it on the chin through helping make the main event of WrestleMania 30 among the elite matches of the decade. Let's just hope he doesn't win, so we can watch him chase Bryan all the way to Extreme Rules, only to Segway into a feud with Triple H.
To conclude, Triple H doesn't count because he helps run the company. The Rock put his foot in his mouth by claiming to never leave, & Lesnar will put over his next opponent(hopefully) so it's okay that he's back too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 4:12:48 GMT -5
It's gotten to a point that it is hurting mania more than it is benefitting. Batista is no where near what they though he was worth. Brock and taker's sporadic appearances have made this feud pointless. The midcard is absolutely neglected and conglomerated into one stupid battle royal when they need to get those intial moments that have made guys like HBK, Edge, Bret Hart, and Cena seem legit when they finally transitioned into the mid-card. If anything, the part timers should come in to put over the midcard talent. By putover, they don't have to win bit they can come out looking really strong in a feud.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Apr 3, 2014 4:44:40 GMT -5
Dave is not a part timer, why he keeps being brought up as such is dumb. And truthfully, after the WM presser, I kinda like him again lol. It was said in another topic, but I agree. If he wasn't rushed back to win the Rumble, people wouldn't be reacting so badly to him.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Cinnamon! on Apr 3, 2014 4:45:26 GMT -5
I'm actually more tired of the part time fans to be honest We're tired of you marks who put money into the company's pocket year in and out regardless of the quality, especially when the product is subpar. 2012 & 2013 were a good years, and 2014 looks like it's going to be another good year..but lets not act like the company hasn't been complete crap for most of the past 5-6 years. So WWE were subpar but good yet crap?
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Apr 3, 2014 4:49:29 GMT -5
I'm actually more tired of the part time fans to be honest We're tired of you marks who put money into the company's pocket year in and out regardless of the quality, especially when the product is subpar. 2012 & 2013 were a good years, and 2014 looks like it's going to be another good year..but lets not act like the company hasn't been complete crap for most of the past 5-6 years. So it's a bad thing that we support what we like? That's what I believe he's saying he doesn't like about fans. Thanks for proving his point. And your last 2 sentences were completely contradictory.
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Post by Alpha Q Up on Apr 3, 2014 4:56:06 GMT -5
We're tired of you marks who put money into the company's pocket year in and out regardless of the quality, especially when the product is subpar. 2012 & 2013 were a good years, and 2014 looks like it's going to be another good year..but lets not act like the company hasn't been complete crap for most of the past 5-6 years. So WWE were subpar but good yet crap? We're tired of you marks who put money into the company's pocket year in and out regardless of the quality, especially when the product is subpar. 2012 & 2013 were a good years, and 2014 looks like it's going to be another good year..but lets not act like the company hasn't been complete crap for most of the past 5-6 years. So it's a bad thing that we support what we like? That's what I believe he's saying he doesn't like about fans. Thanks for proving his point. And your last 2 sentences were completely contradictory. They weren't contradictory whatsoever if you had a reading comprehension level above the 6th grade. From 07-11, the product was stale subpar, lacking new talent in the mid and upper cards. I clearly said ''lets not act like the company hasn't been complete crap for most of the past 5-6 years''. Two decent years (2012 and 2013) aren't considered as ''most''. And again, showing your terrible reading comprehension. I was defending ''part time fans'' who stopped watching the product, not marks who put money into the company's pocket regardless of what product put on TV. I didn't prove his point whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 4:56:28 GMT -5
Just depends on the situation. I never get sick of Undertaker coming back for Wrestlemania because he usually has the best match of the night. The Rock I didn't mind until they gave him the WWE title. What a joke. Everyone knew he was going to leave so it was just stupid. Basically, part-timers don't bother me unless they start giving them championships. And is Batista really a part timer? I'm not sure. At first his return bothered me but I'm starting to appreciate his return as long as he sticks around for at least like 6 months. Not just win a major match/title then leave.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Apr 3, 2014 5:23:41 GMT -5
So WWE were subpar but good yet crap? So it's a bad thing that we support what we like? That's what I believe he's saying he doesn't like about fans. Thanks for proving his point. And your last 2 sentences were completely contradictory. They weren't contradictory whatsoever if you had a reading comprehension level above the 6th grade. From 07-12, the product was stale subpar, lacking new talent in the mid and upper cards. I clearly said ''lets not act like the company hasn't been complete crap for most of the past 5-6 years''. Two decent years (2012 and 2013) aren't considered as ''most''. And again, showing your terrible reading comprehension. I was defending ''part time fans'' who stopped watching the product, not marks who put money into the company's pocket regardless of what product put on TV. I didn't prove his point whatsoever. And showing your terrible reading comprehension I clearly asked if it was a bad thing that we support what we like. Which you didn't answer. Don't bother I'll answer that for you. No, it isn't a bad thing. No one will like 100% of what's on TV. Ever. But I guess that means you can't support someone else, even though you don't like another completely unrelated portion of the product because you're just pumping money into the company regardless. And you can't do that! Hate to break it to you, but anything that you do, if that logo is on it, near it, or has anything to do with it, you're pumping money into the company's pocket, whether you watch the current product or not.
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Post by Elliot on Apr 3, 2014 5:41:14 GMT -5
To know that the product has been bad, you must have either watched programming, or visited the website. Therefore, you have benefitted to their gain and completely shuts down any point you were trying to make. The beauty about seeing the "haters" is that nine times out of ten, they watch more WWE than us fans do, lol.
And just incase you claim you read results on news websites, you can't judge a show from paper. It's impossible. Some of the greatest matches in history were considered terrible on paper, but delivered in the ring.
As for the discussion, Batista is a full-timer. If you compete on SmackDown, you're full-time, use that as your gauge. Also, Undertaker has undoubtedly earned the right to come and go as he pleased. He is the WWE and what it represents. Brock and Rock, while I can understand the distaste to their sporadic appearances, I personally see no issue. They draw, they put on good matches, and the nostalgia kick puts butts in seats whether you like it or not. Chris Jericho and RVD are also irrelevant like Batista since they work full-time schedules when they're active, and have also earned their right to come in when needed.
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Post by Dan on Apr 3, 2014 6:01:48 GMT -5
No. I understand the whole idea that Superstars work their a*s off all year then their spot at Mania is taken up by a part timer, but as of now the WWE still needs these A list Stars. Sure, the future is looking bright with Daniel Bryan, The Shield, Cesaro etc, but they need these top guys to give them a rub and help elevate them to that A list status. Plus, in my eyes it's Wrestlemania Season, you want the biggest names and matches you can get, so make the most of it while they're still here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 7:01:51 GMT -5
No their pretty much the best guys wwe have(rock,brock,rvd)
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Post by Robert69 on Apr 3, 2014 8:06:33 GMT -5
I am just asking this because wrestlers bust there butts for the wwe but always get held back. undertaker back for one match triple h back for another main pay per view. batista, well he just sucks. brock lesnar wow shows up for summerslam, wrestlemania the rock, please this guy is pathetic gets the belt then is off camera for 3 weeks with the belt while cm punk wrestled every week when he was champion even john cena wrestles every week. what about wrestlers like alberto del rio, ceasaro, and many more who are at the events every week and have to take a back seat to the part timers. just would like to know what others think I kind of quit reading when you said The Rock is pathetic. The dude took time out of making more money, in a safer environment, as one of the hardest workers in Hollywood, to come back to the WWE and be consistently entertaining. Risking bodily health in even ONE WWE match was not something that he needed to do in any way, shape or form. He just needs to show up on screen and make his millions of dollars -- but no, he came back. I think that gets him a nod of appreciation for actually giving a damn about the company, and product, a bit. And didn't he get injured after said title match? Wasn't there a reason for him not to be on screen for a bit in there somewhere, if I recall correctly? Not to mention he'd probably make 85% of wrestling fans Top 5 all time lists. To answer your overall question, no. Because Taker, HHH, Lesnar, Batista and The Rock are all more entertaining than 2/3s of the current roster.
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Post by Robert69 on Apr 3, 2014 8:10:01 GMT -5
Does anybody know when Orton got bigger than Batista?? ...I've been wondering the same thing for weeks now, myself. I don't remember that being a thing, before. And most men don't continue growing in their 30s...maybe he had a super late growth spurt and we're all just now noticing? It's weird. He's more intimidating, physically, than Batista is, now.
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