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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 9:55:39 GMT -5
So with that logic how do we know any victories are how they were supposed to go? What if Ziggler was supposed to beat Del Rio but because of his concussion he couldn't kick out so the ref counted? What if Shawn Michaels was supposed to beat Undertaker but after the tombstone he was stunned and tired and couldnt manage to lift his shoulder before the 3?
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Post by bad guy™ on Apr 11, 2014 9:57:44 GMT -5
I am convinced the only people who knew were Vince, Brock and Taker. Just my opinion though.
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Post by sean™ on Apr 11, 2014 9:59:28 GMT -5
....did no one read the part where the ref was actually given a finish to the match?
Since I'm not a ref/wrestler/WWE Employee, I have no way of actually knowing if this is true. But the ref WAS given an ending to the match, per the article.
Why would it be so hard to believe that in the interest of keeping secret one of the most shocking outcomes in the last decade or so, that the ref would be told something different yet still asked to adhear to a fairly logical protocol which is "act like the part that you are playing."
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Post by Danger10 on Apr 11, 2014 10:01:24 GMT -5
I am convinced the only people who knew were Vince, Brock and Taker. Just my opinion though. I agree. I think maybe 1 or 2 other people knew.
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Post by DeadManFan92 on Apr 11, 2014 10:29:50 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar said "Thank You"? Brock Lesnar went to the hospital? wow, I didn't know... Nice Lesnar! Yeah I agree, my respect for Brock increased so much after reading and knowing this.
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Post by RybackV1 on Apr 11, 2014 11:05:32 GMT -5
I can easily see them not telling Patton or anyone for that matter before the match. But telling Patton in his earpiece right before that F5 to "count to three"
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Post by Slim on Apr 11, 2014 11:06:04 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar said "Thank You"? Brock Lesnar went to the hospital? wow, I didn't know... Nice Lesnar! Yeah I agree, my respect for Beock increased so much after reading and knowing this. After seeing Lesnar defeated the Undertaker, my dad said that it's disrespectful and he's a bugger (Because he didn't raise Undertaker) . I'll tell him that Lesnar is respectful
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Post by J12 on Apr 11, 2014 11:08:28 GMT -5
I don't buy it. If the ref thought Taker was supposed to win, he would not have counted the three even if this magic rule, that we are just now hearing about, is true. He would not risk his job by mistakenly ending the streak. You know how much hell would have rained down upon him if he ended the streak when it wasn't supposed to end? Maybe they told him during the match the finish was changed but no chance in hell did the ref count the three without knowing 100% Brock was going to win. Yep. Not buying this for a second. There's absolutely no reason to keep the referee in the dark, unless they just purposely wanted it look awkward as hell. Could I buy that the referee thought Taker was going to win when he came to ringside for the match? Sure. But somewhere along the line, I would be willing to be he was told, either by Taker or by Vince in his earpiece, what the real finish was. The referee has to know what's going on in there. I don't see any hesitation at all in his count. He seems confused at first after he counts the 3, but the bell rings relatively fast. There's nothing to gain by keeping the referee in the dark. It doesn't add anything to the match. I can understand keeping guys like Heyman and the commentary team out of it, but not the referee.
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Post by Slim on Apr 11, 2014 11:12:28 GMT -5
I don't buy it. If the ref thought Taker was supposed to win, he would not have counted the three even if this magic rule, that we are just now hearing about, is true. He would not risk his job by mistakenly ending the streak. You know how much hell would have rained down upon him if he ended the streak when it wasn't supposed to end? Maybe they told him during the match the finish was changed but no chance in hell did the ref count the three without knowing 100% Brock was going to win. Agree..
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Post by ohernan6 on Apr 11, 2014 11:36:04 GMT -5
I don't buy it. If the ref thought Taker was supposed to win, he would not have counted the three even if this magic rule, that we are just now hearing about, is true. He would not risk his job by mistakenly ending the streak.You know how much hell would have rained down upon him if he ended the streak when it wasn't supposed to end? Maybe they told him during the match the finish was changed but no chance in hell did the ref count the three without knowing 100% Brock was going to win. Agree.. I totally disagree. If Undertaker does not kick out, and the ref counts to three, there is no one to blame about a missed spot except Taker. It's his, and Brock's responsibility to kick out, no matter what. It would make the whole streak a joke if the ref just stopped at two.
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Post by Darkhawk on Apr 11, 2014 11:38:50 GMT -5
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Post by Slim on Apr 11, 2014 11:39:17 GMT -5
I totally disagree. If Undertaker does not kick out, and the ref counts to three, there is no one to blame about a missed spot except Taker. It's his, and Brock's responsibility to kick out, no matter what. It would make the whole streak a joke if the ref just stopped at two. O yeah, you're right, it's true..
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Post by Slim on Apr 11, 2014 11:40:30 GMT -5
Already saw this pic on the web. And I didn't know Undertaker was a Paul Heyman guy...
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Post by BØRNS on Apr 11, 2014 16:10:53 GMT -5
The ref knew. They have to know because it's impossible to stop your hand from tapping the mat that close without knowing if their shoulders are supposed to come up.
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Post by jeffro2000 on Apr 11, 2014 17:06:43 GMT -5
I don't buy it. If the ref thought Taker was supposed to win, he would not have counted the three even if this magic rule, that we are just now hearing about, is true. He would not risk his job by mistakenly ending the streak. You know how much hell would have rained down upon him if he ended the streak when it wasn't supposed to end? Maybe they told him during the match the finish was changed but no chance in hell did the ref count the three without knowing 100% Brock was going to win. Yep. Not buying this for a second. There's absolutely no reason to keep the referee in the dark, unless they just purposely wanted it look awkward as hell. Could I buy that the referee thought Taker was going to win when he came to ringside for the match? Sure. But somewhere along the line, I would be willing to be he was told, either by Taker or by Vince in his earpiece, what the real finish was. The referee has to know what's going on in there. I don't see any hesitation at all in his count. He seems confused at first after he counts the 3, but the bell rings relatively fast. There's nothing to gain by keeping the referee in the dark. It doesn't add anything to the match. I can understand keeping guys like Heyman and the commentary team out of it, but not the referee. I too agree. You gain nothing by the ref not knowing but you stand to lose a lot. He could have botched the biggest moment of Mania easily. Like someone else said, the refs have to know. That is how they stop from counting 3 an inch from the mat. If they don't know you are suppose to kick out or not, it is impossible to stop your hand from hitting the mat a 3rd time. He may didn't know until during the match, but he knew. Too big of a risk for him not to. His reaction tells me he knew also. Along with Cole's and Heyman's. The biggest proof that people knew prior to the match was the betting odds changing to Lesnar. No other reason for that to happen unless it leaked. Nobody thought he was winning that match. Dirtsheets don't care about some empirical proof though.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Apr 11, 2014 18:00:53 GMT -5
I don't buy it. If the ref thought Taker was supposed to win, he would not have counted the three even if this magic rule, that we are just now hearing about, is true. He would not risk his job by mistakenly ending the streak. You know how much hell would have rained down upon him if he ended the streak when it wasn't supposed to end? Maybe they told him during the match the finish was changed but no chance in hell did the ref count the three without knowing 100% Brock was going to win. Exactly. This is the dirt sheets, guys, are you serious? "They're supposed to count as if its a real contest." Shut the up.
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Post by skribbel24 on Apr 11, 2014 19:10:14 GMT -5
The ref just stood there in shock just like the rest of us...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 19:18:41 GMT -5
The ref just stood there in shock just like the rest of us... What did you expect him to do? Nod his head like 'Yep, I knew that was comin"?
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Post by Joejitsu22 on Apr 11, 2014 19:26:10 GMT -5
He counted 3 naturally without hesitation and immediately yells to ring the bell. No hesitation. He knew. I agree with the above tho, it could hav been spoken into his earpiece at some point in the match.
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Post by Word™ on Apr 11, 2014 19:32:52 GMT -5
Class act by Brock Lesnar.
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