mfunston20
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Post by mfunston20 on Apr 11, 2014 2:52:20 GMT -5
Partial Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
The referee in the Brock Lesnar vs. Undertaker match didn't know the end result. We can confirm that Chad Patton was actually informed ahead of the match that The Undertaker would win, but complied with the rule given to all WWE referees. That rules is that if a wrestler does not kick out, you go ahead and finish with the three count as if it were exactly what was planned.
We can also report that Lesnar privately whispered "thank you" to The Undertaker immediately following the three count to express his gratitude for the honor of breaking the streak. Lesnar and Heyman also went with Vince McMahon to the hospital with 'Taker. We're told Vince was inside the ambulance while Lesnar and Heyman jumped in a vehicle and followed them to the hospital.
He probably crap himself and thought he messed bad!
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Post by k5 on Apr 11, 2014 3:05:16 GMT -5
very cool tidbit, also never knew that about the ref protocol.
taker made lesnar a certified wrestling legend by that match in my opinion.
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Post by Alpha Q Up on Apr 11, 2014 3:26:00 GMT -5
Yeah, this is what I thought too. The ref seemed pretty hesitant at first glance.
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Post by slappy on Apr 11, 2014 3:33:02 GMT -5
I don't buy it.
If the ref thought Taker was supposed to win, he would not have counted the three even if this magic rule, that we are just now hearing about, is true. He would not risk his job by mistakenly ending the streak.
You know how much hell would have rained down upon him if he ended the streak when it wasn't supposed to end?
Maybe they told him during the match the finish was changed but no chance in hell did the ref count the three without knowing 100% Brock was going to win.
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Post by facemeat on Apr 11, 2014 3:36:30 GMT -5
I don't see how it would make any sense to keep a ref in the dark about a match outcome, especially one as important as this. Not buying it.
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Post by Alpha Q Up on Apr 11, 2014 3:49:55 GMT -5
Yeah, the ref had to have known..at least mid way through the match from his earset. That's what he would have done if he ''didn't know the outcome''
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Apr 11, 2014 4:45:32 GMT -5
I don't buy it. If the ref thought Taker was supposed to win, he would not have counted the three even if this magic rule, that we are just now hearing about, is true. He would not risk his job by mistakenly ending the streak. You know how much hell would have rained down upon him if he ended the streak when it wasn't supposed to end? Maybe they told him during the match the finish was changed but no chance in hell did the ref count the three without knowing 100% Brock was going to win. Yup. It's cool to think of the outcome being kept secret from everyone, but there'd be literally no sense in keeping it from the ref.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 6:09:32 GMT -5
I don't buy it. If the ref thought Taker was supposed to win, he would not have counted the three even if this magic rule, that we are just now hearing about, is true. He would not risk his job by mistakenly ending the streak. You know how much hell would have rained down upon him if he ended the streak when it wasn't supposed to end? Maybe they told him during the match the finish was changed but no chance in hell did the ref count the three without knowing 100% Brock was going to win. I can very well imagine that rule to be in place. If Undertaker didn't kick out at 2 because he couldn't, what was the referee supposed to do? Just count 2 and get up? Nah. This is hypothetical of course, I expect the referee knew that Lesnar was going over.
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Post by seductivemullet2 on Apr 11, 2014 6:10:43 GMT -5
Yeah, the ref had to have known..at least mid way through the match from his earset. That's what he would have done if he ''didn't know the outcome'' Oooo that was awkward
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Apr 11, 2014 6:13:25 GMT -5
Yeah, this is what I thought too. The ref seemed pretty hesitant at first glance. Y'know I've heard many people say that they saw the ref slow up on his count but I watched it again the next day and it really just is a normal 3 count. No hesitation from the referee or anything. I know for a fact that the referees are instructed to count for 3 and only stop if there is a kickout.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 6:40:29 GMT -5
I can't really buy into this idea....the best ref in the world probably wouldn't just be able to just tell that a wrestler isn't going to life his shoulder.
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Post by marino13 on Apr 11, 2014 7:07:52 GMT -5
I remember hearing that they implemented that rule awhile back. Funny thing is though the ref probably thought he f'ed up big time and was in major trouble.
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Post by Joey Cush on Apr 11, 2014 8:29:25 GMT -5
I don't buy it. If the ref thought Taker was supposed to win, he would not have counted the three even if this magic rule, that we are just now hearing about, is true. He would not risk his job by mistakenly ending the streak. You know how much hell would have rained down upon him if he ended the streak when it wasn't supposed to end? Maybe they told him during the match the finish was changed but no chance in hell did the ref count the three without knowing 100% Brock was going to win. Yup. It's cool to think of the outcome being kept secret from everyone, but there'd be literally no sense in keeping it from the ref. I dont buy it either. No reason to have the ref not know the outcome. It could ruin a moment like that if the ref didnt know Undertaker was losing, and oddly hit a 3, like he didnt know if he should. The only people who shouldnt know the outcome if anything, is the commentators, so the moment is somewhat more genuine.
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Post by Himmy! on Apr 11, 2014 8:41:52 GMT -5
Kinda hard to believe it's true with such an important match. If it is though fair play to that referee!
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Post by DeadManFan92 on Apr 11, 2014 8:57:27 GMT -5
Partial Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter The referee in the Brock Lesnar vs. Undertaker match didn't know the end result. We can confirm that Chad Patton was actually informed ahead of the match that The Undertaker would win, but complied with the rule given to all WWE referees. That rules is that if a wrestler does not kick out, you go ahead and finish with the three count as if it were exactly what was planned. We can also report that Lesnar privately whispered "thank you" to The Undertaker immediately following the three count to express his gratitude for the honor of breaking the streak. Lesnar and Heyman also went with Vince McMahon to the hospital with 'Taker. We're told Vince was inside the ambulance while Lesnar and Heyman jumped in a vehicle and followed them to the hospital. He probably crap himself and thought he messed bad! I think he probably was informed by Vince through his ear piece to count the three or by Taker during the match. He would never count the 3 on Taker without knowing for sure. As for Lesnar & Heyman going with Taker & Vince, that shows the greatest show of class and respect between true friends! I can really appreciate Taker & Lesnar's friendship after this match and knowing this information. The whispering thank you and the wink are cool things to look for now when I rematch it.
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Post by Slim on Apr 11, 2014 9:10:46 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar said "Thank You"? Brock Lesnar went to the hospital? wow, I didn't know... Nice Lesnar!
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Post by CrossRhodes on Apr 11, 2014 9:14:31 GMT -5
If the bit about Lesnars thank you to taker is true my respect for Brock just went up about 50%.
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Post by Triple S on Apr 11, 2014 9:18:57 GMT -5
Being a referee in some local "Indy" promotions, when being trained... I was always told to count the three. ESPECIALLY is a wrestler isn't physically able to get a shoulder up.
I always assumed Vince, Taker and Lesnar were the only ones that knew.
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Post by sean™ on Apr 11, 2014 9:50:03 GMT -5
He would never count the 3 on Taker without knowing for sure. And you know this how? I love how a majority of this site attempts to speak to a level of certainty about things they watch on TV or PPV, and have no real way of actually knowing what they are talking about.
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Post by johnnyb on Apr 11, 2014 9:55:43 GMT -5
I saw zero hesitation from the referee in counting the three or calling for the bell... seems to me like he knew exactly what he was doing. Cool to think that he wouldn't be in on it, but it wouldn't make much sense to tell everyone involved but the guy who has to end the match what the finish is.
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