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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 11:26:53 GMT -5
Barrett IMO will be going no further than his current station. Like Ziggler he has proven himself to be far too injury prone for even a high card spot that may lead to something.
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Post by RybackV1 on Aug 30, 2014 12:10:19 GMT -5
Another misuse of the word buried. *sigh* Cheap Heat pointed out that the IWC complained that Undertaker buried Cena back in the day. Buried is beyond the point of being misused. I'm sick of it. You're honestly saying Cena hasnt been burying people on a yearly basis since 2005? Get real And LOLOOLOLOLOL at whoever said "Cena only helped bray by feuding with him" no. He Buried the out of Bray and the whole Wyatt family throughout that feud. Don't give me that bull$hit cop out that "oh well he would've had nothing better to do" WINNIG MATCHES is a lot better than being Cena food for a 1/4 of a year. Bray looks like a huge bitch now. And so does his entire family. And who's to blame? The nerdy looking jakked up superman in the Jorts and red and Yella.
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Post by rustyy on Aug 30, 2014 12:16:24 GMT -5
I could care less about him burying people, but why did he have to do it to Bray/Nexus? It's like Vince hates money. Cena makes Vince more money than those two ever could combined. Because you can't have multiple people that make you money lol. I didn't say trade Cena for those two. Jesus. Wade was green as hell in the ring and was leading a green team. He is easily more over with his Bad News gimmick. His career wasn't destroyed. So is Reigns but that won't stop him from main eventing the biggest show of the year with the hottest act ever. And great, overness doesn't matter, when was he facing for the WWE title? Oh yeah, back when he was green and white hot. Well, he is/was/always will be more talented than Roman so I don't know what you're laughing at. Wade was green as hell in the ring and was leading a green team. He is easily more over with his Bad News gimmick. His career wasn't destroyed. Was gonna say exactly this. Prior to his recent injury, Barrett was over as hell and gaining momentum with this IC title run. His career is FAR from destroyed. Great, the IC title holder in 2014, what exactly is that good for? Name me the last IC champ that went on to do anything decent. It's Punk, and that was 5 years ago. And since, and even before there's be no one worth a damn. That belt is a curse, not a reward. Was gonna say exactly this. Prior to his recent injury, Barrett was over as hell and gaining momentum with this IC title run. His career is FAR from destroyed. To be fair. Wade went from being in one of the hottest and more unique angles in a decade, to doing almost nothing worthwhile for close to 4 years. At least you get it. If it works then you should be booked to win, not "Oh it works, lets feed all 8 of them to Cena". Wade was green as hell in the ring and was leading a green team. He is easily more over with his Bad News gimmick. His career wasn't destroyed. If anything, it's his injuries that are keeping Barrett from going far ahead in his career. Yeah, because Orton is never injured, because Stone Cold was never injured, that's a cop out for WWE and you know it. It's the same excuse as to why they won't push Ziggler, they are looking for anything and everything not to push him. I couldn't tell you why, he's got a good look, phenomenal mic skills and is good in ring. 3/3. While people like Roman have 1/3 and are gonna be a future 10 time champion. To be fair. Wade went from being in one of the hottest and more unique angles in a decade, to doing almost nothing worthwhile for close to 4 years. Can't argue that, but to say his career was destroyed would be a little much. No it's not. I like to compare it to Brock Lesnar, what if at Summerslam back when he faced Rock, he lost for the title in a fashion similar to Barrett at SS then went to wallow in the mid/lower card for 4 years, would he still have been a hot act? The answer is no.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 30, 2014 12:32:22 GMT -5
Another misuse of the word buried. *sigh* Cheap Heat pointed out that the IWC complained that Undertaker buried Cena back in the day. Buried is beyond the point of being misused. I'm sick of it. You're honestly saying Cena hasnt been burying people on a yearly basis since 2005? Get real And LOLOOLOLOLOL at whoever said "Cena only helped bray by feuding with him" no. He Buried the out of Bray and the whole Wyatt family throughout that feud. Don't give me that bull$hit cop out that "oh well he would've had nothing better to do" WINNIG MATCHES is a lot better than being Cena food for a 1/4 of a year. Bray looks like a huge bitch now. And so does his entire family. And who's to blame? The nerdy looking jakked up superman in the Jorts and red and Yella. Look at all the people Bruno Sammartino "buried" during his championship run...it's not a Cena problem you have, it's a professional wrestling problem.
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Post by Gazza on Aug 30, 2014 12:34:55 GMT -5
Some people on here are either complete morons or let their blind hate for Cena ruin any common sense they may have.
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Post by tehforoh on Aug 30, 2014 12:36:54 GMT -5
Cena makes Vince more money than those two ever could combined. Because you can't have multiple people that make you money lol. I didn't say trade Cena for those two. Jesus. Heels aren't marketable. They would have had to turn them face to make any real money. Which would have ruined them.
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Post by RybackV1 on Aug 30, 2014 12:45:27 GMT -5
You're honestly saying Cena hasnt been burying people on a yearly basis since 2005? Get real And LOLOOLOLOLOL at whoever said "Cena only helped bray by feuding with him" no. He Buried the out of Bray and the whole Wyatt family throughout that feud. Don't give me that bull$hit cop out that "oh well he would've had nothing better to do" WINNIG MATCHES is a lot better than being Cena food for a 1/4 of a year. Bray looks like a huge bitch now. And so does his entire family. And who's to blame? The nerdy looking jakked up superman in the Jorts and red and Yella. Look at all the people Bruno Sammartino "buried" during his championship run...it's not a Cena problem you have, it's a professional wrestling problem. Man this isn't the 1970s. That was literally Almost 50 years ago. Times have changed. People don't want the same guy as champ for 6 months let alone 6 years. Cena gets consistently booed because everyone is SICK OF HIM. He's been shoved down our throats for 12 years man!!!! People weren't booing Bruno so they never had to turn him. People were booing hogan so they turned him. People booed Rock and Austin so they turned them. This Cena thing is an epidemic at this point.
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Post by rustyy on Aug 30, 2014 12:48:28 GMT -5
Because you can't have multiple people that make you money lol. I didn't say trade Cena for those two. Jesus. Heels aren't marketable. They would have had to turn them face to make any real money. Which would have ruined them. Wow, heels don't make money. Alright, I don't know how you can say that. Without heels there is no face, and visa versa. Without Shiek/Piper there is no Hogan, without McMahon there is no Austin. You need bad guys just as much as you need good ones. You're just trying to defend Cena at all costs which I really don't get, you get nothing if he's on top. Why wouldn't you want new fresh young talent on top instead of the same feud for 10 years straight about overcoming the odds and making every one he faces come out looking like ass? And Barrett and Wyatt are both talented enough to get fans to love or hate them.
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Post by RybackV1 on Aug 30, 2014 12:48:57 GMT -5
How can anyone justify Cena being shoved down our throats for 10+ years now?
How can anyone say he didn't take one single hand and BURY two of the hottest stables of the PG era ?
Cena dosent need to win all the time. The man could go on a year long losing streak and still be looked at as "superman"
Yet for some reason everyone thinks he needs to win. All. The. Time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 12:51:00 GMT -5
I don't get why people can't get this. Yes Cena can say it's not a good thing but if Vince insists on it happening, it will. oh come on you're telling me Vince will listen to Chris Jericho. but not John Cena who is the face of the company. face facts John Cena doesn't say anything because like. CM Punk said in his pipe bomb three years ago Cena is a ass kisser. Nothing would surprise where Vince is concerned. I mean the guy thinks Kevin Dunn's opinion matters.
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Post by Gazza on Aug 30, 2014 12:59:12 GMT -5
Heels aren't marketable. They would have had to turn them face to make any real money. Which would have ruined them. Wow, heels don't make money. Alright, I don't know how you can say that. Without heels there is no face, and visa versa. Without Shiek/Piper there is no Hogan, without McMahon there is no Austin. You need bad guys just as much as you need good ones. You're just trying to defend Cena at all costs which I really don't get, you get nothing if he's on top. Why wouldn't you want new fresh young talent on top instead of the same feud for 10 years straight about overcoming the odds and making every one he faces come out looking like ass? And Barrett and Wyatt are both talented enough to get fans to love or hate them. He never said heels don't make money, clearly just said heels aren't marketable. When compared to faces they aren't... You shove Cena's face on a shirt and that's going to sell a whole lot more than Bray, that isn't because Bray was "buried" that's because that's how it works and it always has.
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Post by rustyy on Aug 30, 2014 13:06:47 GMT -5
Wow, heels don't make money. Alright, I don't know how you can say that. Without heels there is no face, and visa versa. Without Shiek/Piper there is no Hogan, without McMahon there is no Austin. You need bad guys just as much as you need good ones. You're just trying to defend Cena at all costs which I really don't get, you get nothing if he's on top. Why wouldn't you want new fresh young talent on top instead of the same feud for 10 years straight about overcoming the odds and making every one he faces come out looking like ass? And Barrett and Wyatt are both talented enough to get fans to love or hate them. He never said heels don't make money, clearly just said heels aren't marketable. When compared to faces they aren't... You shove Cena's face on a shirt and that's going to sell a whole lot more than Bray, that isn't because Bray was "buried" that's because that's how it works and it always has. Not marketable, there just not marketing them right. Punk was a heel and he sold the most shirts right behind Cena. It's all on how you look to those people, it's 2014, they don't care what you do as long as your cool. Cena will sell more because he gets a new shirt every month and he never lets anyone get close to his level. Anytime we have someone up and coming, who do they run in to? Cena. Who kills there momentum? Cena. Look at Bray right before Mania, over as hell and had people cheering. Look at him after, silence and constant losses. People want winners, if all you do is lose it doesn't matter who you are they won't buy a damn thing about you. Cena has been on top for 10 years going on 11. He could put over a few young people to build towards the future. What happens when he retires? Who will shine? Not any young people. Cena and Lesnar are the only two people left that are worth a damn, Lesnar is gone soon and doesn't put anyone young over since he's so part time and he's Brock Lesnar which means Vince won't let him lose, and Cena refuses to do so too despite "being a company man". Really, can you honestly tell me it would have hurt him to lose to EIGHT, yes 8 guys and make a new huge star? If you say yes than I can't help you.
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Post by Gazza on Aug 30, 2014 13:10:23 GMT -5
How can you claim Cena refuses to? How do you know it's not Cena going out and doing as he's told? You make assumptions on your blind hate for Cena.
Cena has lost clean many times ie Daniel Bryan, so you're way off the mark like most of this forum.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 30, 2014 13:12:24 GMT -5
Some people on here are either complete morons or let their blind hate for Cena ruin any common sense they may have. At first, I was like "this post was aimed at RybackV1." But then I was like "actually, it applies to way more people than that." Barrett IMO will be going no further than his current station. Like Ziggler he has proven himself to be far too injury prone for even a high card spot that may lead to something. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Having guys like Barrett and Ziggler (and Hollywood Miz) at the IC/US level can make those titles matter again. For about three or four years now, whenever someone wins the IC title, all they go on about is "I'm going to bring prestige back to this championship, like when Mr Perfect, Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels had it" -- yet none of them ever do. They just go on about old champions for cheap pops without ever adding their own name to the list of great IC titleholders. I think Barrett and co could change that and bring about a resurgence of the midcard belts. I wouldn't bet a tenner on it actually happening though.
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Post by Gazza on Aug 30, 2014 13:12:44 GMT -5
The lack of knowledge in all your posts is insane, like seriously beyond belief how stupid you actually are. 12 year old kids have more sense than you. and with that. You just BURIED yourself. If only you'd bury yourself and stop posting here.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 30, 2014 13:16:00 GMT -5
What happens when he retires? Who will shine? Don't know yet as it's quite a few years away, but the one thing we can guarantee is that they'll be complained about by people who only watch wrestling to be negative about it.
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Post by RybackV1 on Aug 30, 2014 13:16:05 GMT -5
For reference, here is every wrestler that has beaten John Cena clean since he won his first WWE title: Shawn Michaels Randy Orton Triple H Batista The Rock Daniel Bryan Brock Lesnar This guys post right here should've ended the thread. What else needs to be said here. Oh yeah that his first wwe title win was in 200 ing 5!!!!
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Post by rustyy on Aug 30, 2014 13:20:38 GMT -5
What happens when he retires? Who will shine? Don't know yet as it's quite a few years away, but the one thing we can guarantee is that they'll be complained about by people who only watch wrestling to be negative about it. Yep, just me being negative. Darn me wanting to see new people be in the title picture and for WWE to try new things instead of shoving there stale top face down my throat. It's not ever WWE's fault though, it's all mine. There's a reason why Austin/Rock was never booed like this, it's because they were interesting and let other people be on top with them, something golden boy can't do because he knows he'll be out shined.
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Post by Gazza on Aug 30, 2014 13:21:19 GMT -5
If only you'd bury yourself and stop posting here. If only you would know your role and shut your mouth - The Rock bur seriously everyone has there own opinions so just have yours and respect RybackV1 Why would he get respect from anybody when he shows it to nobody?
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 30, 2014 13:25:03 GMT -5
Don't know yet as it's quite a few years away, but the one thing we can guarantee is that they'll be complained about by people who only watch wrestling to be negative about it. Yep, just me being negative. No it isn't. You're probably the most negative in general across all wrestling topics, but there are lots of other posters that love to be negative. It's a shame really, seems like it'd be easier to just stop watching a TV show that you don't enjoy and find one you do enjoy... But such is life.
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