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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 15:35:58 GMT -5
I think he has "it" but Cesaro and WWE both have not found a way to tap into it yet and bring it out of him. And maybe part of the reason why is WWE doesn't really seem to think it's a priority with Cesaro and in no rush to find what's hidden inside him. Personally, I don't want to see him change from heel to face and back and forth too often (like Big Show) or go through dozens of gimmick changes. I'd rather see him evolve a little slower and more naturally while putting him in the ring with people that he will have great matches with.
I'm just talking about his personality, gimmick and mic skills here. His in ring wrestling is great as is.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 6, 2014 17:07:19 GMT -5
Personally, I don't want to see him change from heel to face and back and forth too often (like Big Show) or go through dozens of gimmick changes. I'd rather see him evolve a little slower and more naturally while putting him in the ring with people that he will have great matches with. The big problem in WWE is that they all wrestle each other too much, for too long, and for too little reason. It's kind of like the Big Show turn thing... Just overdone to the point of having no meaning. Cesaro has had a million matches with Ziggler and Sheamus, and none of them really meant anything, and nobody really cared. So even if he does develop a personality, it's still going to be difficult to make the matches mean anything because he has spent all this time wrestling everybody already. The company's reliance on having everyone do fifteen minute pointless matches has hurt everybody's chances at developing their characters. Except the guys who do get a little more, but that's basically just Cena, Wyatt, The Shield and Bryan (and Santino's still there). Big Show too, I guess, but he has that meaningless turn problem. |
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Dec 6, 2014 17:14:15 GMT -5
"It" is in the eye of the beholder but I don't think anyone can argue that he wasn't over when he was doing the swing. That was money. They even made him a t-shirt for it. Then they stopped him from doing it anymore? Didn't make any sense. And sticking him with Heyman as a mouthpiece was good in theory but horrible in execution.
Another thing - watch Zayn/Cesaro and tell me that he can't tell a story in the ring...
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 6, 2014 17:19:49 GMT -5
"It" is in the eye of the beholder but I don't think anyone can argue that he wasn't over when he was doing the swing. That was money. They even made him a t-shirt for it. Then they stopped him from doing it anymore? Didn't make any sense. And sticking him with Heyman as a mouthpiece was good in theory but horrible in execution. Another thing - watch Zayn/Cesaro and tell me that he can't tell a story in the ring... I think the issue is that his personality doesn't come through in matches. He can tell one hell of a story. |
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Post by Brad on Dec 6, 2014 18:32:41 GMT -5
He has "it" but they halted him with the heel turn.
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Post by rustyy on Dec 6, 2014 18:40:16 GMT -5
I'm not sure the Vaudevillains are going to make it to (or work on) the main roster. Cesaro's just better off as a tag team guy, or a bland midcarder. He doesn't have the skillset to be a money player. And that's cool. Wrestling needs an undercard. Vaudevillains are future comedy jobbers before their inevitable split/becoming singles jobbers. I like Cesaro but he should never be WWE champ, I think he did amazing in the real Americans and this pairing with Kidd could be good too. I can actually see him being released by WM. Me too, but it would probably end up being better for him in the career department, just not the money. I think it's bullcrap. Cesaro has "it". He's never really showed it, and if it hasn't got him over by now then it never will. I took Vince's comments as being supportive. He seems like he wants him to succeed. They did mess up, there's no doubting that. But Cesaro needs to keep working hard and take his next opportunity. I believe it will come. If Vince wanted him to succeed, he would have said that personally to Cesaro and not on a live broadcast for everyone to see. Lol at comparing Benoit/Bret Hart to Cesaro, he's not even in their league. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 6, 2014 18:45:23 GMT -5
Another thing - watch Zayn/Cesaro and tell me that he can't tell a story in the ring... And see, that's the thing that's quite telling... That's the best match he's had, and that was in a setting with only a few hundred people. He hasn't figured out yet how to make a large arena of people care about the story he's telling, unless he's in there with someone people care a lot about, like Cena or Bryan. |
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Post by Darkhawk on Dec 6, 2014 18:46:23 GMT -5
He did have "IT" factor here, but then he got rid of it. -.-  |
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Post by johnnyaustin21 on Dec 6, 2014 18:49:08 GMT -5
I am a huge Cesaro fan but argue to and extent that he doesn't have "IT" but in reality very few do.Obviously he's not going to be the guy you build your company around or never one of the top tier main eventer for the long hall.However he's one of the better in ring works in the company and was really getting over with the crowds even with his lack of and "IT Factor" and mic skills.I still feel in the long run he could have a career and be a modern day Chris Benoit.By which I mean a guy that can mix it up with the main eventers when need be and can jump up and down the card threw out his career putting on stiller matches.
Right now I do feel that he's best used in the tag team ranks,I like him and Kidd as a possible team but Kidd is another guy who's a great hand but isn't a talker or a guy with the "IT" factor.What the WWE should do is have Cesaro team up with someone that has both of those quality's to help him along in his development i.e. a returning Daniel Bryan.
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Post by rustyy on Dec 6, 2014 18:51:05 GMT -5
I am a huge Cesaro fan but argue to and extent that he doesn't have "IT" but in reality very few do.Obviously he's not going to be the guy you build your company around or never one of the top tier main eventer for the long hall.However he's one of the better in ring works in the company and was really getting over with the crowds even with his lack of and "IT Factor" and mic skills.I still feel in the long run he could have a career and be a modern day Chris Benoit.By which I mean a guy that can mix it up with the main eventers when need be and can jump up and down the card threw out his career putting on stiller matches. Right now I do feel that he's best used in the tag team ranks,I like him and Kidd as a possible team but Kidd is another guy who's a great hand but isn't a talker or a guy with the "IT" factor.What the WWE should do is have Cesaro team up with someone that has both of those quality's to help him along in his development i.e. a returning Daniel Bryan. Kidd has been killing it in NXT, he's shown more than Cesaro ever has. FACT. |
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Dec 6, 2014 19:14:23 GMT -5
I am a huge Cesaro fan but argue to and extent that he doesn't have "IT" but in reality very few do.Obviously he's not going to be the guy you build your company around or never one of the top tier main eventer for the long hall.However he's one of the better in ring works in the company and was really getting over with the crowds even with his lack of and "IT Factor" and mic skills.I still feel in the long run he could have a career and be a modern day Chris Benoit.By which I mean a guy that can mix it up with the main eventers when need be and can jump up and down the card threw out his career putting on stiller matches. Right now I do feel that he's best used in the tag team ranks, I like him and Kidd as a possible team but Kidd is another guy who's a great hand but isn't a talker or a guy with the "IT" factor.What the WWE should do is have Cesaro team up with someone that has both of those quality's to help him along in his development i.e. a returning Daniel Bryan. Disagree entirely. Dude is doing amazing work down in NXT and on Main Event. He plays the kind of heel that you'd want to see get his ass kicked VERY well. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 19:38:01 GMT -5
"It" is in the eye of the beholder but I don't think anyone can argue that he wasn't over when he was doing the swing. That was money. They even made him a t-shirt for it. Then they stopped him from doing it anymore? Didn't make any sense. And sticking him with Heyman as a mouthpiece was good in theory but horrible in execution. Another thing - watch Zayn/Cesaro and tell me that he can't tell a story in the ring... Not one person said he can't tell a story. We pretty much agree universally that he's a fantastic wrestler. He has no personality or charisma is the debate. And the move was over. He never consistently got a reaction during his entrance or after his match, only when he was doing the move. A popular misconception seems to be that because a move was over, the guy doing it was over. Not the case. |
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Post by Tyler Black on Dec 6, 2014 19:55:22 GMT -5
Cesaro doesn't have charisma honestly. I've been a huge Cesaro fan since 08 but even in the Kings of Wrestling, Hero and Del Ray did all the talking and Cesaro got a word in here and there its been obvious Cesaro lacks in the charisma pool. He's a great wrestler but he doesn't have that presence that makes you go "oh crap here comes cesaro"
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Dec 6, 2014 20:58:50 GMT -5
"It" is in the eye of the beholder but I don't think anyone can argue that he wasn't over when he was doing the swing. That was money. They even made him a t-shirt for it. Then they stopped him from doing it anymore? Didn't make any sense. And sticking him with Heyman as a mouthpiece was good in theory but horrible in execution. Another thing - watch Zayn/Cesaro and tell me that he can't tell a story in the ring... Not one person said he can't tell a story. We pretty much agree universally that he's a fantastic wrestler. He has no personality or charisma is the debate. And the move was over. He never consistently got a reaction during his entrance or after his match, only when he was doing the move. A popular misconception seems to be that because a move was over, the guy doing it was over. Not the case.But at least the move being over was a start. They could have parlayed that into something more but they chose not to. The argument I'm trying to make is that WWE never put any faith in him. He's not the most exciting guy but he's not a charismatic black hole either. Cesaro's problem is that he's a better wrestler than entertainer, but he isn't in the wrestling business. He ought to just make as much money as he can while working for WWE at this point. |
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Post by NXT919 on Dec 7, 2014 11:24:14 GMT -5
Cesaro should be booked like a fart. Silent but deadly. marino13 - Thanks for the chuckle! |
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Post by The Dave on Dec 7, 2014 13:13:02 GMT -5
I have a feeling that if Cesaro is still with the company a year from now or even three years from now people will still be debating about when his "it" factor will emerge. I'm thinking Cesaro has gone as far as he can go in the big machine but I would have no issue with being wrong about that.
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Post by Rattlehead on Dec 7, 2014 18:12:10 GMT -5
Cesaro has "it", WWE doesn't have "it"
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 7, 2014 18:52:39 GMT -5
Cesaro has "it", WWE doesn't have "it" Nope. |
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Post by johnnyb on Dec 7, 2014 19:09:31 GMT -5
Cesaro absolutely has "it". Hell, the fact that Vince thinks he doesn't[\i] confirms it to me. In the ring, he is easily one of the three of four best, most creative performers on the roster. And while he hasn't cut any memorable promos, all of his little guest spots on WWE's online/Network shows indicate that he has a lot of charisma.
It's the ultimate catch-22... he'll never get an opportunity if they think he is bad on the mic. But to flatly say that he "doesn't have it" and leave it at that is ignorance and bad business.
"He's a millionaire who should be a billionaire..."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 19:12:25 GMT -5
Cesaro absolutely has "it". Hell, the fact that Vince thinks he doesn't[\i] confirms it to me. In the ring, he is easily one of the three of four best, most creative performers on the roster. And while he hasn't cut any memorable promos, all of his little guest spots on WWE's online/Network shows indicate that he has a lot of charisma.
It's the ultimate catch-22... he'll never get an opportunity if they think he is bad on the mic. But to flatly say that he "doesn't have it" and leave it at that is ignorance and bad business.
"He's a millionaire who should be a billionaire..."I would disagree. He's fine if he's not live. Those takes he does on their YouTube shows are fine for what they are, but who knows how many takes he needs to get them to even be tolerable. If anything, they show me he doesn't have charisma. I've been a fan of his since his indy days, but the guy has the same amount of charisma as a piece of rye bread. |
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