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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 20:24:42 GMT -5
I ha e 2 problems with this match... 1) whether people want to admit it or not Bryan is above the ic title. He's still one of the top 2 most over stars in the company. There is absolutely no reason the wwe couldn't have found a meaningful 1 on 1 match for him.
2) Bryan loosing will hurt his stock more. Yea it's a ladder match so he won't be pinned or submitted, but how is loosing to a bunch of midcarders help him? The wwe already is showing they don't put a lot of faith in him by not giving him a 1 on 1 match, and him loosing in this match pushes that idea even further. With who? Rollins and Orton are against each other. Ziggler is one of the top faces, so a heel turn would be pointless. He already faced Reigns last month, he's not in the match against Lesnar. Wyatt and HHH are both tied up as well. Who would you have him face that is also above the IC title? Sheamus? Everyone is bitching about that match already and Sheamus hasn't even returned yet.
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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 3, 2015 20:28:32 GMT -5
When was the last time the IC title actually meant something? Ambrose says before the Invasion. I'd say 2007ish. Id say randy orton's 2004 reign was the last meaningful reign. The title was on an up and down roller coaster from '95-04 and has been on a downfall since. Guys like Shelton Benjamin, Cody Rhodes, and Rey Mysterio had somewhat memorable reigns but nothing meaningful came from them. Hell even Jericho who is a 9x IC Champ never had one memorable reign with the title. Same as 5x champ Wade Barrett and many other multi time IC Champs as well. Kofi Kingston is the king of meaningless title reigns.
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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 3, 2015 20:31:02 GMT -5
I ha e 2 problems with this match... 1) whether people want to admit it or not Bryan is above the ic title. He's still one of the top 2 most over stars in the company. There is absolutely no reason the wwe couldn't have found a meaningful 1 on 1 match for him.
2) Bryan loosing will hurt his stock more. Yea it's a ladder match so he won't be pinned or submitted, but how is loosing to a bunch of midcarders help him? The wwe already is showing they don't put a lot of faith in him by not giving him a 1 on 1 match, and him loosing in this match pushes that idea even further. With who? Rollins and Orton are against each other. Ziggler is one of the top faces, so a heel turn would be pointless. He already faced Reigns last month, he's not in the match against Lesnar. Wyatt and HHH are both tied up as well. Who would you have him face that is also above the IC title? Sheamus? Everyone is bitching about that match already and Sheamus hasn't even returned yet. I haven't complained about a match with Sheamus at all. Hell I think Sheamus is above the IC Title at this point. Or put him in a face vs face match with Ziggler or against a monster like Harper to help elevate them. Anything is better than the dead end that is known as the IC Title.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 20:33:58 GMT -5
With who? Rollins and Orton are against each other. Ziggler is one of the top faces, so a heel turn would be pointless. He already faced Reigns last month, he's not in the match against Lesnar. Wyatt and HHH are both tied up as well. Who would you have him face that is also above the IC title? Sheamus? Everyone is bitching about that match already and Sheamus hasn't even returned yet. I haven't complained about a match with Sheamus at all. Hell I think Sheamus is above the IC Title at this point. Or put him in a face vs face match with Ziggler or against a monster like Harper to help elevate them. Anything is better than the dead end that is known as the IC Title. I mean if you look around the forums, everyone is basically dreading the possibility, even though I wouldn't be against the Sheamus match. There'd be no real reason behind Ziggler/Bryan, so it'd be a good match, but there'd be no story to it. Harper vs Bryan just isn't a Wrestlemania Match at this point.
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Post by MattelsRule on Mar 3, 2015 20:53:10 GMT -5
I'm fine with Heel Sheamus vs Bryan. I would rather that than Bryan in midcard mayhem.
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Post by MattelsRule on Mar 3, 2015 20:54:27 GMT -5
I mean I try to look at it like MITB at wm 23 if Bryan is in this match. That match had Booker who had just been world champion, Orton who was a former champion and of course Edge. So if I look at it that way it doesn't bother me as much.
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Mar 3, 2015 21:38:50 GMT -5
It's clear it was all done too late by the time Bryan got back but wwe were stupid. Let kane and Bryan have the proper feud they never got. His departing scenario was beig taken out by kane. Bryan should have come back facing a masked kane to avenge the treachery his former hell no partner inflicted on him leading to a proper match at mania and not stupid half baked raw and sd matches including the complete waste of a casket match that served no purpose other than to ruin the mystique of that match type.
Then having defeated his former brother and foe, he could have pursued the title picture after mania.
This makes wayyyyyy more sense than teasing him being in the title picture when really you had nithing for him.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Mar 3, 2015 23:13:43 GMT -5
I see what you're saying... and you're not wrong. The two opinions are what they are, but it is lame that one of the hottest stars in the company has had little thought going into the biggest event of the year. It's just a little annoying as a fan that they used Bryan for a month or whatever, to further establish and get Reigns over without building a separate thread for Bryan to naturally go into.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 23:54:49 GMT -5
It's clear it was all done too late by the time Bryan got back but wwe were stupid. Let kane and Bryan have the proper feud they never got. His departing scenario was beig taken out by kane. Bryan should have come back facing a masked kane to avenge the treachery his former hell no partner inflicted on him leading to a proper match at mania and not stupid half baked raw and sd matches including the complete waste of a casket match that served no purpose other than to ruin the mystique of that match type. Then having defeated his former brother and foe, he could have pursued the title picture after mania. This makes wayyyyyy more sense than teasing him being in the title picture when really you had nithing for him. You might be the only person that wanted to see Kane vs Bryan at Wrestlemania.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 4, 2015 0:09:39 GMT -5
I'd rather see him in this match than in anther match with Sheamus. My ideal situation for this match is either Bryan out Ziggler win and then they feud over the title. I don't want to see either return heel; it isn't necessary. They can have a friendly rivalry to see who is the best.
I don't know what they'd do with everyone else though. I guess Ambrose and BNB could continue their feud without the IC title.
There are two things that concern me about this year's WrestleMania:
1. Two matches jam packed with guys they couldn't find anything to do with is a problem. How many guys are there in this ad the Andre Battle Royal? Creative had nothing for any of these guys?
2. Why isn't Goldust vs. Stardust happening at WM? They rushed the breakup and made it a throwaway match at a throwaway PPV. Not cool. Especially if the Goldust retirement rumors are true. Plus it seems odd to keep Cody as Stardust since he lost. I thought the point of their feud was to transition him back to Cody Rhodes. Unless he's going to be the new resident weirdo...
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Mar 4, 2015 0:13:41 GMT -5
It's clear it was all done too late by the time Bryan got back but wwe were stupid. Let kane and Bryan have the proper feud they never got. His departing scenario was beig taken out by kane. Bryan should have come back facing a masked kane to avenge the treachery his former hell no partner inflicted on him leading to a proper match at mania and not stupid half baked raw and sd matches including the complete waste of a casket match that served no purpose other than to ruin the mystique of that match type. Then having defeated his former brother and foe, he could have pursued the title picture after mania. This makes wayyyyyy more sense than teasing him being in the title picture when really you had nithing for him. You might be the only person that wanted to see Kane vs Bryan at Wrestlemania. I seriously doubt that. I never said it's the match that everyone has been loudly clamouring for, but its a far better alternative. Lets face it, it was one of the few legitimate options where Bryan could return and have a story established that would lead to a meaningful feud beyond "sorry we have nothing for you to do so we'll just chuck you in a multi man match". He could have easily gone over Kane to get revenge and then have momentum for a title challenge instead of being dipped in and out. They clearly had to settle this business and they chose to uselessly cram it in on Raw/SD one week and do it a complete injustice despite never ever settling the Hell No break-up. And the important thing is I said it'd have to be masked kane. Not corporate kane who loses to every single person on the damn roster, thats an entirely different match-up. Then they could have actually made a feud out of it, not just a useless match like they only ever seemed destined to insert Bryan into. He deserves a bigger spotlight than a multi-man match.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 0:15:53 GMT -5
You might be the only person that wanted to see Kane vs Bryan at Wrestlemania. I seriously doubt that. I never said it's the match that everyone has been loudly clamouring for, but its a far better alternative. Lets face it, it was one of the few legitimate options where Bryan could return and have a story established that would lead to a meaningful feud beyond "sorry we have nothing for you to do so we'll just chuck you in a multi man match". He could have easily gone over Kane to get revenge and then have momentum for a title challenge instead of being dipped in and out. They clearly had to settle this business and they chose to uselessly cram it in on Raw/SD one week and do it a complete injustice despite never ever settling the Hell No break-up. And the important thing is I said it'd have to be masked kane. Not corporate kane who loses to every single person on the damn roster, thats an entirely different match-up. Then they could have actually made a feud out of it, not just a useless match like they only ever seemed destined to insert Bryan into. He deserves a bigger spotlight than a multi-man match. Kane vs Daniel Bryan has been done to death on Raws, Smackdowns and PPVs. Rarely are they interesting. It's just not a Wrestlemania match. He is so much better off the ladder match instead another snoozefest with Kane.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 4, 2015 0:39:46 GMT -5
I liked Bryan vs. Kane at Extreme Rules. However, its not something I'd wanna see at Mania.
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Mar 4, 2015 0:43:04 GMT -5
I seriously doubt that. I never said it's the match that everyone has been loudly clamouring for, but its a far better alternative. Lets face it, it was one of the few legitimate options where Bryan could return and have a story established that would lead to a meaningful feud beyond "sorry we have nothing for you to do so we'll just chuck you in a multi man match". He could have easily gone over Kane to get revenge and then have momentum for a title challenge instead of being dipped in and out. They clearly had to settle this business and they chose to uselessly cram it in on Raw/SD one week and do it a complete injustice despite never ever settling the Hell No break-up. And the important thing is I said it'd have to be masked kane. Not corporate kane who loses to every single person on the damn roster, thats an entirely different match-up. Then they could have actually made a feud out of it, not just a useless match like they only ever seemed destined to insert Bryan into. He deserves a bigger spotlight than a multi-man match. Kane vs Daniel Bryan has been done to death on Raws, Smackdowns and PPVs. Rarely are they interesting. It's just not a Wrestlemania match. He is so much better off the ladder match instead another snoozefest with Kane. You're just proving my point, they've wasted a potential feud on random matches and not an actual storyline feud. They WASTED this feud on the past few Raws and SDs and crammed it in for seemingly no reason at all when it could have been slower burning and led to a mania match. Extreme rules ended with Kane rising and going on to take out Daniel Bryan. Winning a match on Raw or SD is not a blow off. Team Hell no never had a blow-off. They just separated and WWE never acknowledged anything beyond that. The feud has never been ended and they pretended that a casket match wasted on SD was the end which is an awful attempt of an 'ending' when they never even played the feud out beyond cole saying "oh these two used to be friends blah blah blah". Let Bryan defeat a strong looking Kane in a storyline that has history with BUILD UP. But if you want to accept an 11th hour multi-man match for Bryan so be it. But I don't recall Austin being chucked in a battle royal at 2001 right near his peak, but 'apparently' that is a better option.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 0:58:21 GMT -5
I liked Bryan vs. Kane at Extreme Rules. However, its not something I'd wanna see at Mania. This. Mask or no mask, it's by no means worthy of the WM stage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 1:15:11 GMT -5
Well, OP...seems it's not just you who has an issue with it...
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Mar 4, 2015 1:15:59 GMT -5
I liked Bryan vs. Kane at Extreme Rules. However, its not something I'd wanna see at Mania. This. Mask or no mask, it's by no means worthy of the WM stage. Yeah sure, because your most over superstar definitely belongs lost in the shuffle of a multi man match rather than in a proper feud. Great theory.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 1:24:46 GMT -5
This. Mask or no mask, it's by no means worthy of the WM stage. Yeah sure, because your most over superstar definitely belongs lost in the shuffle of a multi man match rather than in a proper feud. Great theory. As opposed to a match maybe three people want to see? Yes.
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Post by Joey Cush on Mar 4, 2015 1:28:01 GMT -5
Now after reading the Smackdown spoilers im even far less excited to see this Ladder match than I was before.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 1:29:25 GMT -5
Now after reading the Smackdown spoilers im even far less excited to see this Ladder match than I was before. This I agree with. Don't really mind what the surprise is, but just too much at this point.
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