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Post by HVMMONS on Mar 5, 2015 2:21:52 GMT -5
Hey guys,
Not sure where to put this...I figured I'd put this here to receive more feedback than I would've in the Entertainment thread. I'm writing an argumentative paper in one of my courses, and I chose my topic to be on how music is taken for granted in today's society with access of the internet. Specifically from newer generations with being grown up with the internet in the palm of their hands. I figured I'd ask you guys if you have a view on this. You can oppose to this topic. It doesn't bother me. I was wondering what everyone's opinion on this was. I appreciate any feedback. Don't worry, I'll give you credit if I chose to reference you in my paper.
Thanks guys.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 2:25:53 GMT -5
I don't understand the question. Could you expand? I don't know if this will help but this is the rough draft to an old ass paper I wrote about social media. I lost the final one. In a world wired together, social media has consumed us as a society as we become more and more dependent on it. Social media is a tool that can be used for both good and bad. It has wired our world together as to where news can be immediately transmitted from one area to the next. Social media has both improved and worsened us as a society. For example, people can be more easily made aware of issues that pertain to them in the community or areas across the globe. Though social media can be useful, it has primarily worsened us as a society. However, while it gives us any information or media we desire whenever we want it, this can give our younger generation a sense of self entitlement.
In early late January of 2013, former pro wrestler CM Punk walked out of the WWE (World Wrestling Entertainment) setting the world of pro wrestling ablaze with questions. Until recently he had remained quiet as to why he had abruptly left (and was eventually fired). Punk went on to reveal that he had suffered numerous injuries that were completely disregarded by the WWE’s doctors. Shortly after Punk walked out, he went to his wife’s personal doctor who informed him that he had a severe staph infection. The doctor informed Punk that it should have killed him and he was lucky to be alive. These factors further fueled his hatred and lack of desire to return. Punk spoke about how he received hateful tweets directed at him that he was a quitter and that they had “bought his house.” Punk himself stated he isn’t sure why this generation seems to have a sense of self entitlement. Punk went on to declare that he bought his house with the money he earned working. Punk continued to ponder as to why people felt like he owed them something to which he concluded that our generation having grown up on social media and therefore had this sense of self entitlement due to getting anything they wanted instantaneous with a simple Google search.
The internet and social media allows everyone to have a voice while maintaining anonymity. Due to social media enveloping the world, people either have to or willingly reveal personal information about themselves on the internet where it can be used against them. Whether it is to steal their identity/assets or to stalk/harass them, criminals can use anything that a person has put on the internet for once it is put on the internet it is there forever. Websites such as Facebook, Twitter, Myspace, Instagram, and other social media websites are the stalker’s key tool for their sick game. Once the stalker obtains their victims information, the individual then can and will use it to either psychologically abuse the person or physically stalk the person. The person they are targeting could be completely oblivious that a predator is watching nearby, a ghost haunting them at their every step, and going about their day as they normally would while a monster could be preparing their next move in this deadly game of human chess.
A prime example of stalking because of social media is the case of Cynthia Osokogu. She was a former model who was lured under false pretenses to meet supposed retailers who would offer her better prices on her clothes that came from her fashion boutique. However, the meeting would never occur as the woman was found dead in her hotel morning the next morning after safely arriving. The trip was arranged by Echezona Nwabufor, who claimed he had connections in the fashion industry, but in reality he had been stalking Osokogu for months by gathering information from her Facebook. He drugged her, beat her, sexually assaulted her, and finally murdered her. She was targeted because the suspects had assumed she would arrive with large amounts of cash and fine jewelry. If Osokogu had not had presented herself to the world as she did on social media, her death could have been possibly avoided.
Narcissism is an obsession with one’s own physical appearance or social standing. What does this have to do with social media? The younger generation seems to be overvaluing their opinion and using their Facebook or Twitter to make their opinion public. They do this hoping for likes or re-tweets in anticipation that they will be revered for their status on the situation. A study by the University of Michigan further delved into this topic by conducting a research. The study which was named “Computers in Human Behavior” was conducted by Elliot Panek, Yioryos Nardis, and Sarah Konrath. A direct quote from Panek states “It's about curating your own image, how you are seen, and also checking on how others respond to this image," he said. "Middle-aged adults usually have already formed their social selves, and they use social media to gain approval from those who are already in their social circles."
Panek went on to say in a direct quote, "Young people may over evaluate the importance of their own opinions," Panek said. "Through Twitter, they're trying to broaden their social circles and broadcast their views about a wide range of topics and issues." During one part of the study, they took four hundred and eighty six college undergraduates and gave them a personality test measuring their degrees of narcissism. Though they were unable to determine a definite correlation to social media, the study was one of the first of its kind due to social media’s sudden surge in popularity in the past few years.
The ALS Icebucket Challenge gained national attention and went viral just a few short months ago, but as all trends do, it has faded away in the shadows. The idea was to dump a bucket of cold ice water onto your own head and nominate others to do the same. You were then were supposed to donate funds to the ALS (Lou Gerig’s Disease) in support of research towards the disease. Not that it is to be a surprise, most just dumped the ice water on their heads without actually donating in the first place. While the notion to donate in such a way is unorthodox to say the least, it still was supposed to go towards a supposed good cause. However, it seemed people chose to stroke their egos and post it on their Facebook for likes rather than actually donate. People that may never have even heard of the disease suddenly acted as if they cared about the disease or cause. It’s the act of “hashtag activism” where the person feels as if they are doing something without actually having to do anything. It feeds their ego and convinces them that they are better person by doing something as meaningless as dumping ice water on their head and tweeting about it.
There is no cure for ALS. Every video where the participant dumped ice water over their heads was meaningless and done for their own sense of feeling good about themselves. Social media trends come and go. You may even remember some vaguely. They blow up the news headlines for a while and then they disappear. The issues do not, but people simply feel like they have done their part and move on. Other examples of social media trends would be the Livestrong bracelets, #Haiti, #Kony2012, The Red Equal Sign, #BringBackOurGirls, and #YesAllWomen. All of these drew national attention but where soon forgotten about. Armstrong simply had to reap what he sow, while Haiti still remains as decadent as it did before. Kony is still at large, the gay community still struggles with marriage rights, two hundred of the school girls are still missing, and the final movement was in vain. We simply fed our egos and moved on. We acted like we made a difference by blogging about it. We acted like we made a difference by tweeting about it. We acted like we made a difference by updating our status. In reality it solved absolutely nothing.
In conclusion, social media has become a huge part of our society. Chances are the average American uses it at least once a day. The effect it has had on us as a society can be overwhelming. It has linked our world together and has created a world where anyone with a keyboard can have a voice. Has it negatively impacted our society? Yes, it can be concluded it has. However it has also helped us as a society. With vast information at our fingertips at any waking moment and can help unite a group of people for a cause. All in all, it’s how the individual uses social media that determines who they become as a person. Society is always adapting to new ideas and concepts. In this world wired together we must not allow ourselves to be totally enveloped by technology. We have to learn that sometimes you just have to put down the smart phone and actually live in the moment rather than document every waking moment. Social media is something that will never leave us; it has been far too deep rooted into our society. How we grow and evolve with it will shape our world for generations to come. As is in all walks of life, you either adapt or you perish.
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Post by HVMMONS on Mar 5, 2015 2:34:59 GMT -5
I don't understand the question. Could you expand? Sure. My first thought when approaching this topic was with the creation of the internet. People take music for granted by downloading it illegally, rather than buying a CD and supporting the artist. This can be split through generations, age, and so on that compares the 1970s to now, and how the value of music has sunk dramatically. Music is too easy to pirate nowadays. Although there are new files being made where you won't be able to pirate music/whatever, it still will be very hard to extinguish for many years to come. Websites like Spotify give little to no royalties to the starving artist. However, bands do not have to put their music on Spotify. But, to contradict, Spotify is another social media site that helps expand the artist's name and music.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 2:38:37 GMT -5
I don't understand the question. Could you expand? Sure. My first thought when approaching this topic was with the creation of the internet. People take music for granted by downloading it illegally, rather than buying a CD and supporting the artist. This can be split through generations, age, and so on that compares the 1970s to now, and how the value of music has sunk dramatically. Music is too easy to pirate nowadays. Although there are new files being made where you won't be able to pirate music/whatever, it still will be very hard to extinguish for many years to come. Websites like Spotify give little to no royalties to the starving artist. However, bands do not have to put their music on Spotify. But, to contradict, Spotify is another social media site that helps expand the artist's name and music. I remember Tim Skold spoke on this a little bit here: Rafi: Off the topic of music in our last interview you hinted slightly to your dislike of illegal downloading. How do you perceive the changes downloading has caused in the music industry? Do you see a positive side to it?
Skold: No, it's hard for me to see a positive side to the fact that I've come across a mere fraction of exciting new bands in the last 10 years compared to the previous 10. It seems like more and more people are starting to realize that they don't really want to listen to 'hobby-music' and that good crap is well worth paying for. vampirefreaks.com/content/comment.php?entry=491So I dunno if that will help but yeah. If Ben Urich was still around he'd be able to help. He's ranted on that before.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Mar 5, 2015 2:41:11 GMT -5
I would expand it to the formation of civilization, a middle class society, and all the things taken for granted in lives removed from nature, people take electricity, hot water and heat for granted too. But they do specifically take for granted audio and video, and it changed us a lot.
You used to need to be near a good musician to hear music, never mind good music, I think that probably stopped most people from not appreciating it previously. But it depends if you mean they take the existence of music for granted, or access to it, it's both now anyway. I should probably stop writing on this because I could go on forever. The commodification of music in the first place is a big topic, music isn't like an object, so they made it one.
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Post by HVMMONS on Mar 5, 2015 2:43:20 GMT -5
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Post by Hulk Who? on Mar 5, 2015 2:58:39 GMT -5
That would probably be the key to writing about that, that music isn't an object the way a sculpture or painting is, it has to be performed, which means they had to find a way to objectify it if they wanted to mass produce it, wax records, tapes, CDs etc up to files.
Unless Lars Ulrich only wants to play to live audiences, mass reproduction of the music was what he wanted, no? And you wanted that done without anyone earning money on it as a commodity, Lars? Did he want the album pressed once then traded as an art object?
"It is sickening to know that our art is being traded like a commodity rather than the art that it is"- Lars Ulrich
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Post by HVMMONS on Mar 5, 2015 3:06:10 GMT -5
Right. The value of music in the past few decades has sunk dramatically. However, this is not necessarily a problem. Music is... like all other sold goods, a product. To find a successful business strategy in this situation, I think its best to look at what other production companies do when the value of their product sinks. They make more lower quality product with the same amount of resources and effort that they would normally spend. You can see that most other successful self-made bands, and even mainstream artists (Beyonce, Ariana Grande, Kanye) release considerably more content per-quarter than their predecessors from the 90s or 80s... and I think that's all due to the way our current generation consumes music. Its not about spending 30,000$ on one hit album... its about spending 1000$ on one single a month and hoping that one catches on for an album. Ultimately you have the same chances of hitting something big.
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Post by 0,Y on Mar 5, 2015 3:36:03 GMT -5
Yes and it really goes both ways too. A lot of 'artists' don't put any effort in their 'music' and instead making real music that's coming from the heart they make music in order to make money. Both these things have resulted in the music industry not nearly being as awesome as back in the day.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Cinnamon! on Mar 5, 2015 5:36:32 GMT -5
I hate music piracy, absolutely hate it. If an artist can spend years writing and recording an album then why can't we spend a lazy $20 on a CD? I don't care if Taylor Swift makes $60 million a year. The price of a CD is cheap in comparison to the amount of time it took to make that CD. The whole 'why buy an album if only one or two songs will be good' excuse doesn't fly anymore since previews and single downloads are available on iTunes. Music is a luxury that can unfortunately be reached through illegal ways. If you can't afford it then go without.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 5, 2015 8:00:21 GMT -5
I'm going add a question to this it you guys don't mind: How do you feel about streaming music? It's the next best thing to stealing. Artists and song writes are paid next to nothing. Fractions of a cent per song streamed, if I'm not mistaken. This is one of many reasons why I support SiriusXM. They pay the highest royalties in the industry. (sorry for the cheap plug )
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Mar 5, 2015 8:05:46 GMT -5
I don't even think half the music these days is worth the illegal download.
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Post by T R W on Mar 5, 2015 8:21:19 GMT -5
For me, once digital music became extremely cheap, and easily accessible I never bothered trying to download music again. I can buy a song I like for $1 as opposed to spending time trying to find torrents and whatnot, waiting for it to download, and praying I don't get all sorts of malware on my computer. Much easier to just pay the $1 and move on.
Music just have to evolve with technology. People thought radio would destroy music. And then vinyl. And then music videos. And so on. Things like iTunes and Spotify have made the music industry better in my opinion. Most of the people downloading it illegally now wouldn't have bought it anyway. If you won't pay a dollar, you weren't going to buy it. This isn't like the late 90s where people are using Napster instead of having to buy entire CDs instead of one song. Heck a lot of people I know now don't buy or download music. They subscribe to spotify or Pandora.
Modern music has a lot of issues, but I blame the industry itself for that. No imagination, no creativity, not being willing to take chances, following the same formula over and over. Things like The Voice and American Idol. And they were and are very slow to adopt to modern technology and tried to resist change through lawsuits instead of trying to get out ahead of it and make a ton of money.
That was awfully rambling so I apologize.
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Post by Brad on Mar 5, 2015 8:26:46 GMT -5
Yes. It most definitely is. We live in a world of of instant gratification.
I used to download music all the time. Now that I'm older, there's something in me that doesn't like doing it. Yes, I'll use Beats quite often to listen to music. But these days, if I want to have the music via other means, I'll buy the mp3 version from Amazon. I'm the same way with books and movies. If I like it, I want to put my money into it.
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Post by k5 on Mar 5, 2015 12:18:10 GMT -5
has the product value of music decreased? absolutely, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. the actual value of music in my opinion has not decreased in the slightest - people still love listening to it, finding new music, etc. they value it as an entertaining art form. it's just how money all equates to it that has shown a decline.
making it a product to begin with was the largest advantage people have ever taken over music. we made songs into the same thing as buying a chocolate bar or pack of cigarettes...and that's a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 12:47:05 GMT -5
Yes and it really goes both ways too. A lot of 'artists' don't put any effort in their 'music' and instead making real music that's coming from the heart they make music in order to make money. Both these things have resultet in the music industry not nearly being as awesome as back in the day. I used to always be able to flick through the music channels and there'd be something good on. Now it's either some hideous rap, or some woman dancing in her underwear.
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Post by 0,Y on Mar 5, 2015 14:06:01 GMT -5
Yes and it really goes both ways too. A lot of 'artists' don't put any effort in their 'music' and instead making real music that's coming from the heart they make music in order to make money. Both these things have resulted in the music industry not nearly being as awesome as back in the day. I used to always be able to flick through the music channels and there'd be something good on. Now it's either some hideous rap, or some woman dancing in her underwear. It's a shame really.
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Post by JC Motors on Mar 5, 2015 15:39:05 GMT -5
I hate music piracy, absolutely hate it. If an artist can spend years writing and recording an album then why can't we spend a lazy $20 on a CD? I don't care if Taylor Swift makes $60 million a year. The price of a CD is cheap in comparison to the amount of time it took to make that CD. The whole 'why buy an album if only one or two songs will be good' excuse doesn't fly anymore since previews and single downloads are available on iTunes. Music is a luxury that can unfortunately be reached through illegal ways. If you can't afford it then go without. A lot of out of print CDs go for insane amounts of money. So do Japanese Video Game soundtrack CD's go for insane amounts of money via import. Many people resort to other means in order to obtain stuff like that. The third party prices for Out of print CDs are a real turn off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 15:42:07 GMT -5
I do tons of work with Media etc. However, I don't think it is. Its this generation. I'm a fan of lots of different artists. I like Pop, Rap & Rave/House music etc.
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Post by HVMMONS on Mar 5, 2015 19:16:52 GMT -5
Thanks for your feedback guys
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