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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 15, 2015 12:54:00 GMT -5
I don't understand why people don't "get" the concept that Brock beating Taker and Cena was so that a guy like Roman could benefit from it. The WWE didn't just give Brock arguably the strongest booking ever over the past year so that Seth could cash in MITB on him. Brock ended the streak. Saying he dominated Cena would be an understatement. How does Roman loosing and Seth cashing in MITB benefit anyone? Roman doesn't gain anything and Seth still looks like a typical cowardly heel. I've said it before but if Brock resigns for another year then I think it would benefit Roman to loose, go on a year-long redemption run like Shawn in '95, and beat Brock next year. However, Brock seems to be gone after WM. I think it is too soon for Roman to be the top guy but since Brock is going Roman NEEDS to beat him. If not then the last year of booking for Brock has no payoff what so ever. This. As much as I prefer Brock Lesnar to Roman Reigns, there is no logical way it doesn't end with Roman overcoming the conqueror.
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Post by johnnyb on Mar 15, 2015 12:55:34 GMT -5
At this point, I expect tone-deaf booking that has Roman cleanly beating Brock.
TBH I'm unlikely to watch at all. Might catch a replay of the IC title match if it's good, but I will probably sit out this year unless they add some sort of can't-miss match to the card.
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Post by HHH316 on Mar 15, 2015 13:12:23 GMT -5
If Brock won, I'd probably have a similar reaction I did when Miz beat Cena at WM28: uncontrollable laughter
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 13:16:23 GMT -5
I get the feeling Brock os retaining as well. Your theory is solid.
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Post by McBlake on Mar 15, 2015 13:25:19 GMT -5
I don't understand why people don't "get" the concept that Brock beating Taker and Cena was so that a guy like Roman could benefit from it. The WWE didn't just give Brock arguably the strongest booking ever over the past year so that Seth could cash in MITB on him. Brock ended the streak. Saying he dominated Cena would be an understatement. How does Roman loosing and Seth cashing in MITB benefit anyone? Roman doesn't gain anything and Seth still looks like a typical cowardly heel. I've said it before but if Brock resigns for another year then I think it would benefit Roman to loose, go on a year-long redemption run like Shawn in '95, and beat Brock next year. However, Brock seems to be gone after WM. I think it is too soon for Roman to be the top guy but since Brock is going Roman NEEDS to beat him. If not then the last year of booking for Brock has no payoff what so ever. 100% agree with you. Again.
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Post by The Dave on Mar 15, 2015 13:46:21 GMT -5
If Brock retains, I can honestly say I'd mark for the first time in quite awhile. I highly doubt it will happen, but man, if it does I might just pee a little.
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Post by Himmy! on Mar 15, 2015 14:13:32 GMT -5
I sure hope he retains.
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Post by attitudesback on Mar 15, 2015 14:51:25 GMT -5
Going to sound like a typical internet theorist here but if Lesnar no-showing Raw and whatever else was entirely planned by the WWE so people would believe Reigns is just walking out with the title and then Reigns gets annihilated, it would be absolutely awesome. Definitely would shock quite a few people, most seem to be in the mindset he's already booked for UFC's next PPV.
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Post by AJ F'n Brooks on Mar 15, 2015 15:06:25 GMT -5
Roman Reigns needs to win. That's why Brock Lesnar broke The Undertaker's undefeated Streak at last year's Wrestlemania and that's why he annihilated John Cena at Summerslam. Everything was done to create a new star for the company, and Roman Reigns is that guy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 15:20:26 GMT -5
Roman Reigns needs to win. That's why Brock Lesnar broke The Undertaker's undefeated Streak at last year's Wrestlemania and that's why he annihilated John Cena at Summerslam. Everything was done to create a new star for the company, and Roman Reigns is that guy. He sure is how could anyone say No To this face.
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Post by Weemanv1 on Mar 15, 2015 15:22:42 GMT -5
The only way Reigns isn't winning is if he gets hurt or does something to get himself fired. That said, it would be interesting to theorize what would happen if Brock did retain.
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 15, 2015 15:38:38 GMT -5
Cena winning still makes no sense to me. They've literally booked him as a has been, while Rusev is this "ultimate monster". If Rusev loses, his momentum is majorly ruined in my eyes. Anyone else with me on that? I still don't understand the Lesnar/Reigns bullcrap. If Lesnar is appearing on Raw the night after, what for? If he's lost his title, how are they gonna have a streak breaker and whatever just go "well crap, I'm off. bye!" ? Reigns/Rollins is boring even if they threw a title in there, match has happened nearly 60 times already. Honestly have no idea how they're going to do this, but if they do just go Reigns/Rollins for the title it's going to be awful. Reigns wins at Mania. next night on Raw Reigns comes out to celebrate. Brock comes out and goes apesh^t, destroys Reigns. enter the opportunistic Rollins ho cashes in and becomes Champ. The Authority won't grant Reigns a rematch right away. much like with the Rumble situation, Roman is going to have to earn a title shot. he spends the summer going through the Authority and whoever they put in his way, while he chases Rollins. meanwhile Rollins defends against guys like Cena, Ryback, Bryan, etc. finally, come the weeks before Summerslam, the Authority decides to grant Rollins the night off! however, the TRUE authority comes out to interrupt "Seth Rollins Appreciation Night" - Vince McMahon himself. he overrides the Authority's plans, and declares Seth WILL be defending the Title at SummerSlam, against an opponent who has more than proven himself by defeating the likes of Kane, Big Show, J & J Security in handicap matches, plus guys like Rusev, Luke Harper, and Cesaro, who the Authority put in his way. that opponent is Roman Reigns
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 15:52:32 GMT -5
Reigns is winning the title. The push he's in reminds me a lot of HBK's leading up to Wrestlemania 12. Bret was even entering "free agency" so the similarities are there, but of course Shawn was much more seasoned than Reigns is. Point is, they don't spend months making a guy look like the next champ only for him to get pinned in the title match. Even if Brock signs a new deal he's losing.
Now what happens in the moments after is harder to say. I think they may well have Rollins cash in, but I'm not sure they would actually have him win. Someone said earlier that if he did win, that scenario results in no payoff for Reigns and even Lesnar, but it creates an easy-bake program they could run through the next two PPVs with and I could easily see lazy booking like that.
Smarks are sour about the event overall but I'm pretty excited for this Wrestlemania. Should be interesting.
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Post by rustyy on Mar 15, 2015 16:20:47 GMT -5
I was thinking one of two things regarding Daniel Bryan and John Cena. A) They're being used to elevate the titles so that if any future former stars come in and take the title, there is a perceived main title being defended on the PPV B) They're being used to have a unification title match. Either one works well. I just roll my eyes every single time I see someone say this. I hear it every single time someone new is about to win the belt, and nothing ever changes. Remember Dean Ambrose's US title reign? That'll be Cena, or he'll drop it the night after he wins. They aren't elevating these belts, they don't care, I think it's pretty damn obvious. Jesus Christ could come down from the heavens above and win the belt and it would still mean nothing. That's how far these belts have fallen.
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Post by TurboEddie on Mar 15, 2015 17:18:42 GMT -5
That's a great point.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 15, 2015 17:32:55 GMT -5
I keep hearing that the last appearance on his contract is the Raw after WrestleMania. I'm wondering what the point of this is. If he's going to UFC, I could see either Reigns or Rollins walking out with the title and Brock not being used for that last Raw. If he's basically gone after WrestleMania, why use him for that last show? There'd be no point. Sure he could win at WrestleMania and then Rollins could cash in the next night, but it would make more sense for that to close out WrestleMania, imo. But if he is staying, they'll either use that Raw to set up the rematch or Brock's next challenger. It's hard to speculate on what will happen with the title without knowing what Brock is going to do. Wfigs a few months ago "WHAT THE IS THIS PARTTIME BULL$HIT THE CHAMP SHOULD BE ON ALL THE RAWS AND ALL THE SMACKDOWNS AND ALL THE WORLD TITLES NEED TO BE SEPERATED AGAIN AHHHH" Wfigs now: "Plz don't go Brock" That's how bad of an idea putting the belt on Roman would be right now.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Mar 15, 2015 17:34:39 GMT -5
He's been a very bad champion so it would make zero sense for him to keep the title. Also he doesn't draw like he did in 2012 and he has been basically a no show transition champion so him keeping the title would be bad for business.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 15, 2015 17:40:16 GMT -5
I don't understand why people don't "get" the concept that Brock beating Taker and Cena was so that a guy like Roman could benefit from it. The WWE didn't just give Brock arguably the strongest booking ever over the past year so that Seth could cash in MITB on him. Brock ended the streak. Saying he dominated Cena would be an understatement. How does Roman loosing and Seth cashing in MITB benefit anyone? Roman doesn't gain anything and Seth still looks like a typical cowardly heel. I've said it before but if Brock resigns for another year then I think it would benefit Roman to loose, go on a year-long redemption run like Shawn in '95, and beat Brock next year. However, Brock seems to be gone after WM. I think it is too soon for Roman to be the top guy but since Brock is going Roman NEEDS to beat him. If not then the last year of booking for Brock has no payoff what so ever. The problem with this is that Roman is not ready. If he was and it he was really over, they wouldn't have had to spend so much TV time with other people trying to convince us that he really is the guy. Vince is trying to force something that just isn't there yet. If they had waited a year or two they wouldn't have most of these problems. This shouldn't be Roman's year. I know there are some that don't want to hear this but it's Bryan's year again. Who else is more over? Brock vs Bryan is ing money. It's what the majority of the fans seem to want.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Mar 15, 2015 17:45:55 GMT -5
I don't understand why people don't "get" the concept that Brock beating Taker and Cena was so that a guy like Roman could benefit from it. The WWE didn't just give Brock arguably the strongest booking ever over the past year so that Seth could cash in MITB on him. Brock ended the streak. Saying he dominated Cena would be an understatement. How does Roman loosing and Seth cashing in MITB benefit anyone? Roman doesn't gain anything and Seth still looks like a typical cowardly heel. I've said it before but if Brock resigns for another year then I think it would benefit Roman to loose, go on a year-long redemption run like Shawn in '95, and beat Brock next year. However, Brock seems to be gone after WM. I think it is too soon for Roman to be the top guy but since Brock is going Roman NEEDS to beat him. If not then the last year of booking for Brock has no payoff what so ever. The problem with this is that Roman is not ready. If he was and it he was really over, they wouldn't have had to spend so much TV time with other people trying to convince us that he really is the guy. Vince is trying to force something that just isn't there yet. If they had waited a year or two they wouldn't have most of these problems. This shouldn't be Roman's year. I know there are some that don't want to hear this but it's Bryan's year again. Who else is more over? Brock vs Bryan is ing money. It's what the majority of the fans seem to want. A serious question. How in real life could Daniel Bryan defeat Brock Lesnar? Lesnar is a monster who ended the streak and basically destroyed Cena at Summerslam so how could Bryan ever stand a chance against him?
Also would Lesnar want to lose to Bryan? Think about it if Lesnar is going back to UFC would he be happy going back after losing his last wrestling match to a man half his size?
No offence to Bryan and I'm a fan but him against Brock wouldn't be a believable match.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 15, 2015 17:46:07 GMT -5
He's been a very bad champion so it would make zero sense for him to keep the title. Also he doesn't draw like he did in 2012 and he has been basically a no show transition champion so him keeping the title would be bad for business. You clearly don't understand the business. He's been a fantastic champion. Brock being off TV had made his appearances and title defenses an event. Seeing the champion is a special event again. But I do think they went overboard and used him too sparingly. It makes perfect sense to keep the title on him. He gets mainstream press coverage, which Vince is always after. What evidence do you have that he isn't drawing as well as he used to?
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