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Post by Evil Abed on Mar 20, 2015 22:18:47 GMT -5
I was wondering if there ever was a reason why Owen wasn't pushed to the moon as a baby face after Survivor Series 97?
It seemed like all the pieces were there, he was a great wrestler, good on the mic, main event spot opened when Bret left, the story of revenge for his brother was all written for them, he even attacked Shawn for a month or two following the Montreal Screwjob. It really is confusing why he didn't become a main player at the end of 97 and into 98. I get Austin was going to be the man at Mania but Owen could have still been in the picture since all they had at the time was really Austin/Kane/Taker/Foley after Mania.
What was the point of putting him in a feud with Jarrett and then as a random part of the Nation?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 23:05:16 GMT -5
It should've been Owen vs. HBK at Royal Rumble.
If not, then they should've done it a month earlier at In Your House: DX.
The problem is that we never got that match. HBK got injured at Royal Rumble and went right into the WWF title feud with Stone Cold and didn't wrestle again till Wrestlemania 14.
That left Owen to basically feud with HHH for the European title and he even lost that match at Wrestlemania. After that, he was pretty much done as a face so he turned back heel and joined The Nation which was...weird. Really weird. Even at the time it was odd seeing Owen in The Nation.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Mar 20, 2015 23:29:02 GMT -5
It should've been Owen vs. HBK at Royal Rumble. If not, then they should've done it a month earlier at In Your House: DX. The problem is that we never got that match. HBK got injured at Royal Rumble and went right into the WWF title feud with Stone Cold and didn't wrestle again till Wrestlemania 14. That left Owen to basically feud with HHH for the European title and he even lost that match at Wrestlemania. After that, he was pretty much done as a face so he turned back heel and joined The Nation which was...weird. Really weird. Even at the time it was odd seeing Owen in The Nation. Owen Hart wrestled Shawn Michaels on the last Raw of 1997 for the WWE Title. It was supposed to be Triple H vs. Owen Hart but Triple H blew out his knee so Shawn took the match. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 23:35:28 GMT -5
It should've been Owen vs. HBK at Royal Rumble. If not, then they should've done it a month earlier at In Your House: DX. The problem is that we never got that match. HBK got injured at Royal Rumble and went right into the WWF title feud with Stone Cold and didn't wrestle again till Wrestlemania 14. That left Owen to basically feud with HHH for the European title and he even lost that match at Wrestlemania. After that, he was pretty much done as a face so he turned back heel and joined The Nation which was...weird. Really weird. Even at the time it was odd seeing Owen in The Nation. Owen Hart wrestled Shawn Michaels on the last Raw of 1997 for the WWE Title. It was supposed to be Triple H vs. Owen Hart but Triple H blew out his knee so Shawn took the match. Don't even remember that happening at all...which is kinda my point I guess. That match should've happened on a PPv. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Mar 20, 2015 23:47:30 GMT -5
Owen Hart wrestled Shawn Michaels on the last Raw of 1997 for the WWE Title. It was supposed to be Triple H vs. Owen Hart but Triple H blew out his knee so Shawn took the match. Don't even remember that happening at all...which is kinda my point I guess. That match should've happened on a PPv. Here it is... This match was on the Attitude Era Vol. 2 DVD/Blu Ray set |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 6:16:31 GMT -5
Its a really weird one with Owen....If I had to guess I would say it was Vince taking out his sh*t on Owen. I was a Stone Cold guy at this time(still am lol) BUT I was expecting big things from Owen at the RR.......I was stunned in 98 watching that RR and his treatment in it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 7:39:22 GMT -5
Can't find the exact video but Cornette said that Vince planned to push Owen as "Canada's greatest wrestler" but Shawn refused to work with him.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Mar 21, 2015 7:49:04 GMT -5
Not having Owen Hart vs. Shawn Michaels at the 1998 Royal Rumble was smart. You needed a really big angle to write off The Undertaker. The casket match accomplished that.
What really hurt Own Hart is he never approached Steve Austin and apologized for what happened at SummerSlam 1997. Austin never forgave Owen and Bret understood Austin's reasons. I feel this could play into why Michaels didn't want to have a program with Owen. Till the end of time, we won't fully know what went on backstage regarding Owen Hart.
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Post by BROKEN on Mar 21, 2015 9:02:57 GMT -5
Why did shawn seem like the biggest ass back then? Wouldnt put bret over? Wouldnt work with owen?
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Mar 21, 2015 9:06:44 GMT -5
Why did shawn seem like the biggest ass back then? Wouldnt put bret over? Wouldnt work with owen? With all of the bad habits Shawn Michaels had at the time, it could paint a clear picture as to why Michaels was the person that he was. Just wanted to point that out. |
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Post by BROKEN on Mar 21, 2015 9:09:11 GMT -5
Why did shawn seem like the biggest ass back then? Wouldnt put bret over? Wouldnt work with owen? With all of the bad habits Shawn Michaels had at the time, it could paint a clear picture as to why Michaels was the person that he was. Just wanted to point that out. Heard bret ripped his hair out  *1000 Post* |
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Post by k5 on Mar 21, 2015 18:12:37 GMT -5
Why did shawn seem like the biggest ass back then? Wouldnt put bret over? Wouldnt work with owen? he was a piece of crap, plain and simple. his ego was oversized and mcmahon, for whatever reason(s), allowed it. |
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Post by Hem-Ridge on Mar 22, 2015 10:02:42 GMT -5
Owen was pretty much probably the most miss-used wrestler I've ever seen in the WWE (Though the likes of Vader & Raven could count too).
He should have won the Title in '94, but was screwed over (Though I don't think he was all too fussed) & Shawn probably didn't want to work with him just because he was related to Bret (A stupid reason I know, but Shawn during this time was known for being a immature brat). Owen could've made Austin the big name like Shawn had to in the end at Wrestlemania 14.
I agree Owen was good enough & it would've fit, Owen gets revenge for Bret, Austin calls Owen out saying "You screwed me up & I'll never be the same again", cue scathing promos between the two & Austin interfering Owen's matches (similar with late '97 for the IC Title) when Owen's got the title on the line.
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I also remember Owen cut a promo pretty much apologizing to Austin about the broken neck with the Dan Severn storyline injury, everything seemed different, even his accent seemed different.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 10:20:27 GMT -5
OT: I also remember Owen cut a promo pretty much apologizing to Austin about the broken neck with the Dan Severn storyline injury, everything seemed different, even his accent seemed different. Really? I don't remember that-although I remember VERY little of what Owen did in 99 as a singles guy.....or 98 for that matter. |
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Post by BROKEN on Mar 22, 2015 10:23:52 GMT -5
OT: I also remember Owen cut a promo pretty much apologizing to Austin about the broken neck with the Dan Severn storyline injury, everything seemed different, even his accent seemed different. Really? I don't remember that-although I remember VERY little of what Owen did in 99 as a singles guy.....or 98 for that matter. I remember owen calling austin a crippled freak |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 11:47:45 GMT -5
Why did shawn seem like the biggest ass back then? Wouldnt put bret over? Wouldnt work with owen? he was a piece of crap, plain and simple. his ego was oversized and mcmahon, for whatever reason(s), allowed it.  |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Mar 22, 2015 11:53:43 GMT -5
OT: I also remember Owen cut a promo pretty much apologizing to Austin about the broken neck with the Dan Severn storyline injury, everything seemed different, even his accent seemed different. Really? I don't remember that-although I remember VERY little of what Owen did in 99 as a singles guy.....or 98 for that matter. Owen Hart's televised singles matches in 1998-1999 1998: vs. Brian Christopher (Shotgun-1.17.98) vs. Goldust (RAW-1.26.98) vs. Billy Gunn (RAW-3.2.98) vs. Jesus Castillo (Shotgun-2.14.98) vs. Jeff Jarrett (RAW-2.16.98) vs. Marc Mero (RAW-2.23.98) vs. Mark Henry (RAW-3.2.98) vs. Barry Windham (RAW-3.9.98) vs. Triple H (RAW-3.17.98) vs. Triple H (WrestleMania XIV) vs. The Rock (RAW-4.6.98) vs. Billy Gunn (RAW-4.13.98) vs. Triple H (Unforgiven: In Your House) vs. Triple H (RAW-5.11.98) vs. Scorpio (RAW-6.2.98) vs. Dan Severn (RAW-6.22.98) vs. X-Pac (King of the Ring) vs. Farooq (RAW-7.20.98) vs. Ken Shamrock (Fully Loaded: In Your House) vs. Dan Severn (RAW-7.27.98) vs. Ken Shamrock (SummerSlam 1998) vs. Triple H (RAW-9.14.98) vs. Val Venis (RAW-9.21.98) vs. Edge (Breakdown: In Your House) vs. Dan Severn (RAW-9.28.98) vs. Goldust (RAW-12.7.98) vs. Steve Blackman (Rock Bottom: In Your House) 1999: vs. Steve Blackman (Heat-1.10.99) vs. Ken Shamrock (Heat-1.31.99) vs. D'Lo Brown (RAW-3.8.99) vs. the Road Dogg (RAW-4.19.99) vs. the Road Dogg (Shotgun-5.1.99) - Owen Hart's last televised match Sources: www.thehistoryofwwe.com/98.htm , www.thehistoryofwwe.com/99.htm |
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Post by Hem-Ridge on Mar 22, 2015 18:38:44 GMT -5
OT: I also remember Owen cut a promo pretty much apologizing to Austin about the broken neck with the Dan Severn storyline injury, everything seemed different, even his accent seemed different. Really? I don't remember that-although I remember VERY little of what Owen did in 99 as a singles guy.....or 98 for that matter. Here's the video I'm on about, skip to the 2 Minute mark for the start of the promo. |
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Post by Barney Stinson on Apr 11, 2015 9:15:42 GMT -5
Not having Owen Hart vs. Shawn Michaels at the 1998 Royal Rumble was smart. You needed a really big angle to write off The Undertaker. The casket match accomplished that. What really hurt Own Hart is he never approached Steve Austin and apologized for what happened at SummerSlam 1997. Austin never forgave Owen and Bret understood Austin's reasons. I feel this could play into why Michaels didn't want to have a program with Owen. Till the end of time, we won't fully know what went on backstage regarding Owen Hart. I agree. I think it has more to do with the Austin thing than anything. I think hurting Austin had an effect on Owen mentally where it translated into his in ring performances. He was never the same in the ring after that. Add the screwjob on top of that and it just seemed that Owen was off and didn't care so much from that point on. If you watch Owen matches before Summerslam 97 and Owen matches after, there is a difference. While he still had some good matches, there isn't one memorable Owen Hart match that took place after that Summerslam. You could tell it really got to him. |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Apr 11, 2015 9:42:06 GMT -5
Not having Owen Hart vs. Shawn Michaels at the 1998 Royal Rumble was smart. You needed a really big angle to write off The Undertaker. The casket match accomplished that. What really hurt Own Hart is he never approached Steve Austin and apologized for what happened at SummerSlam 1997. Austin never forgave Owen and Bret understood Austin's reasons. I feel this could play into why Michaels didn't want to have a program with Owen. Till the end of time, we won't fully know what went on backstage regarding Owen Hart. I agree. I think it has more to do with the Austin thing than anything. I think hurting Austin had an effect on Owen mentally where it translated into his in ring performances. He was never the same in the ring after that. Add the screwjob on top of that and it just seemed that Owen was off and didn't care so much from that point on. If you watch Owen matches before Summerslam 97 and Owen matches after, there is a difference. While he still had some good matches, there isn't one memorable Owen Hart match that took place after that Summerslam. You could tell it really got to him. Had Owen Hart's mentality was really into his craft, I have no doubt the matches with him and Triple H would have been awesome. A lot of Owen's matches post-SummerSlam '97 weren't all that memorable. Owen's match with Triple H at WrestleMania XIV felt flat. I can see why Steve Austin and Owen Hart never cross paths again after the 1997 Survivor Series. Many can say that Owen Hart should have been a WWF Champion but timing was never on his side. Going back to what I said before in another thread, I'd rather have Own have a meaningful world championship reign over a not-so meaningful reign. Remember the classic saying in wrestling: "The performer has to make the championship, not the championship making the performer." |
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