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Post by Word™ on Apr 8, 2015 21:59:07 GMT -5
My view on political parties is...
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Post by Tim of thee on Apr 8, 2015 22:32:37 GMT -5
I say you vote for the candidate that falls as close to your core principals as possible, regardless of political party or affiliation. Or you vote for someone you think you can trust with your freedom.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 22:47:14 GMT -5
Well as an Australia, I can't say I really care about who the next president of the United States will be. I know that W, who was also Australian, would've shared the same opinion as I do
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Post by theMOESIAH on Apr 9, 2015 3:03:52 GMT -5
It's sad knowing how swayed the people in this country are by the internet these days. right wing extremists try to frighten voters into voting for them, while left wing try to bribe the voters with crazy hopes. This race is going to be pathetic and there's really no one that will run, that should run. Who would you like to see run? Aside from a couple l o n g shots, I can't even name anyone I'd like to see run.
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Post by Adam on Apr 9, 2015 12:03:09 GMT -5
Rand announcing his candidacy probably eliminates any chance of Cruz winning the nomination. Still, the Republicans are going to need a strongly opened-minded and rationally in touch with present day America candidate to have any chance in 2016. That's why they should strongly consider Rand Paul. He's one of their best hopes as far as expanding the base. Ted Cruz? Not so much.
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Post by Nick the Quick on Apr 9, 2015 12:48:45 GMT -5
Rand announcing his candidacy probably eliminates any chance of Cruz winning the nomination. Still, the Republicans are going to need a strongly opened-minded and rationally in touch with present day America candidate to have any chance in 2016. That's why they should strongly consider Rand Paul. He's one of their best hopes as far as expanding the base. Ted Cruz? Not so much. He opposes gay marriage though, with more states making it legal (which it should be), that will hurt his chances of victory.
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Post by Tim of thee on Apr 9, 2015 13:54:59 GMT -5
That's why they should strongly consider Rand Paul. He's one of their best hopes as far as expanding the base. Ted Cruz? Not so much. He opposes gay marriage though, with more states making it legal (which it should be), that will hurt his chances of victory. So does Hillary as far as I know. (Unless she changed her position on this issue). Obama ran for prez and he was also against gay marriage.
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Post by Nick the Quick on Apr 9, 2015 15:30:04 GMT -5
He opposes gay marriage though, with more states making it legal (which it should be), that will hurt his chances of victory. So does Hillary as far as I know. (Unless she changed her position on this issue). Obama ran for prez and he was also against gay marriage. Gay marriage wasn't as accepted in 2008 as it is now, someone running for president opposing it in 2016 is going to have a hard time getting gays and people who support marriage equality to vote for him or her.
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Apr 9, 2015 15:38:45 GMT -5
So does Hillary as far as I know. (Unless she changed her position on this issue). Obama ran for prez and he was also against gay marriage. Gay marriage wasn't as accepted in 2008 as it is now, someone running for president opposing it in 2016 is going to have a hard time getting gays and people who support marriage equality to vote for him or her. That's what I'm thinking. The popular opinion has changed so much over the past half decade.
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Post by Tim of thee on Apr 9, 2015 15:41:49 GMT -5
So does Hillary as far as I know. (Unless she changed her position on this issue). Obama ran for prez and he was also against gay marriage. Gay marriage wasn't as accepted in 2008 as it is now, someone running for president opposing it in 2016 is going to have a hard time getting gays and people who support marriage equality to vote for him or her. Very true. But I don't believe either have changed their positions (that I'm aware of) on the topic of gay marriage. What was Obamas position during the 2012 election?
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Post by Adam on Apr 9, 2015 17:08:19 GMT -5
That's why they should strongly consider Rand Paul. He's one of their best hopes as far as expanding the base. Ted Cruz? Not so much. He opposes gay marriage though, with more states making it legal (which it should be), that will hurt his chances of victory. Regardless, an opponent of marriage equality is going to have a hell of time in the general election. This is especially if/when gay marriage becomes the law of the land this summer. But of course as you all know a politician is absolutely forbidden to change positions on anything...
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Apr 9, 2015 18:03:51 GMT -5
He opposes gay marriage though, with more states making it legal (which it should be), that will hurt his chances of victory. Regardless, an opponent of marriage equality is going to have a hell of time in the general election. This is especially if/when gay marriage becomes the law of the land this summer. But of course as you all know a politician is absolutely forbidden to change positions on anything... This Summer? Is there a specific court case or bill coming up that I missed? Gay marriage wasn't as accepted in 2008 as it is now, someone running for president opposing it in 2016 is going to have a hard time getting gays and people who support marriage equality to vote for him or her. Very true. But I don't believe either have changed their positions (that I'm aware of) on the topic of gay marriage. What was Obamas position during the 2012 election? www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/11/barack-obama/president-barack-obamas-shift-gay-marriage/
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Post by Tim of thee on Apr 9, 2015 18:30:12 GMT -5
Regardless, an opponent of marriage equality is going to have a hell of time in the general election. This is especially if/when gay marriage becomes the law of the land this summer. But of course as you all know a politician is absolutely forbidden to change positions on anything... This Summer? Is there a specific court case or bill coming up that I missed? Very true. But I don't believe either have changed their positions (that I'm aware of) on the topic of gay marriage. What was Obamas position during the 2012 election? www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/11/barack-obama/president-barack-obamas-shift-gay-marriage/That's good. I thought I saw something about him switching positions on that issue but I wasn't certain.
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Post by Adam on Apr 9, 2015 20:47:01 GMT -5
This Summer? Is there a specific court case or bill coming up that I missed? Not one case, but 4 cases SCOTUS agreed to hear back in January which will basically decide if states can ban gay marriage or not recognize it in other states, they say the final ruling should be in by June. www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/011615zr_f2q3.pdfTo tie it into the thread topic, maybe Ted Cruz will try to lead another government shutdown if the court doesn't rule his way.
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Apr 9, 2015 20:48:44 GMT -5
This Summer? Is there a specific court case or bill coming up that I missed? Not one case, but 4 cases SCOTUS agreed to hear back in January which will basically decide if states can ban gay marriage or not recognize it in other states, they say the final ruling should be in by June. www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/011615zr_f2q3.pdfWow. That's going to be interesting. I believe there's a case relating to the Affordable Care Act, as well. I'm interested in seeing how this effects candidates campaigns.
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Post by Word™ on Apr 10, 2015 0:46:27 GMT -5
I don't think being against gay marriage should be a deciding factor for gay people that vote.. If the candidate is against gay marriage, but (hypothetically) also happens to be hands down one of the best presidential candidates in the last 16 years.. Would they still not vote for him? Would his stance on sexual orientation be held against him if he was 100% able to get this country going again in the right direction? I'll never understand.. We separate church and state, yet the bible still plays a huge hand in how we treat the laws or "sanctity" of marriage.. Gay marriage is frowned upon still to this day because of what the bible says.. Our views are terrible, and it's amazing that we still live amongst people with that mindset. Marriage has become a giant joke anyways. I think we as a civilization would be much better if we were to reevaluate the ways and meaning of marriage. *sigh*.....this country is seriously ed up.
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Post by Kyle - legendkilla2k9 on Apr 10, 2015 11:33:38 GMT -5
Interesting fact: Hillary Clinton would become the second oldest President of all time if she's elected.
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Post by Tim of thee on Apr 10, 2015 12:05:26 GMT -5
*sigh*.....this country is seriously ed up. This kind of comment bothers me. Sure our country isn't perfect and could do a lot to improve but it's not even close to ed up. Being a product of an immigrant mother, who happens to be from a truly ed up place, I can tell you first hand how awesome and lucky I feel to live here and not anywhere else. With the freedom we enjoy here, I feel extremely blessed. When my mom came here she didn't speak one word of English. Now she's successful in her career and bilingual. It's amazing what kind of opportunities we have if you're just willing to work hard for it.
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 10, 2015 12:14:36 GMT -5
I don't think being against gay marriage should be a deciding factor for gay people that vote.. If the candidate is against gay marriage, but (hypothetically) also happens to be hands down one of the best presidential candidates in the last 16 years.. Would they still not vote for him? Would his stance on sexual orientation be held against him if he was 100% able to get this country going again in the right direction? I'll never understand.. We separate church and state, yet the bible still plays a huge hand in how we treat the laws or "sanctity" of marriage.. Gay marriage is frowned upon still to this day because of what the bible says.. Our views are terrible, and it's amazing that we still live amongst people with that mindset. Marriage has become a giant joke anyways. I think we as a civilization would be much better if we were to reevaluate the ways and meaning of marriage. *sigh*.....this country is seriously ed up. Right there is your problem. A lot of people dont look at the "big picture" and they see one or two smaller things that are irrelevant that they dont agree with so they vote for someone else. Black folks came out in record numbers to vote for Obama, why? Simple...because he was black. Nothing else. Your stereotypical "rednecks" vote Republican because "Dont takes my guns"....but your "rednecks" are more of a middle-lower class in financial terms and Liberal views benefit them more. If a candidate comes out and has a perfect plan for the economy & foreign affairs, but is against gay marriage, a lot of gay people will not vote for him. If a candidate has a perfect plan for the economy & foreign affairs but says he doesnt believe in God and/or any sort of Religion...he's going to lose those votes. Sometimes I really think you should have to take a test to vote to see if you're qualified to elect officials.
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Apr 10, 2015 15:53:40 GMT -5
I don't think being against gay marriage should be a deciding factor for gay people that vote.. If the candidate is against gay marriage, but (hypothetically) also happens to be hands down one of the best presidential candidates in the last 16 years.. Would they still not vote for him? Would his stance on sexual orientation be held against him if he was 100% able to get this country going again in the right direction? I'll never understand.. We separate church and state, yet the bible still plays a huge hand in how we treat the laws or "sanctity" of marriage.. Gay marriage is frowned upon still to this day because of what the bible says.. Our views are terrible, and it's amazing that we still live amongst people with that mindset. Marriage has become a giant joke anyways. I think we as a civilization would be much better if we were to reevaluate the ways and meaning of marriage. *sigh*.....this country is seriously ed up. Right there is your problem. A lot of people dont look at the "big picture" and they see one or two smaller things that are irrelevant that they dont agree with so they vote for someone else. Black folks came out in record numbers to vote for Obama, why? Simple...because he was black. Nothing else. Your stereotypical "rednecks" vote Republican because "Dont takes my guns"....but your "rednecks" are more of a middle-lower class in financial terms and Liberal views benefit them more. If a candidate comes out and has a perfect plan for the economy & foreign affairs, but is against gay marriage, a lot of gay people will not vote for him. If a candidate has a perfect plan for the economy & foreign affairs but says he doesnt believe in God and/or any sort of Religion...he's going to lose those votes. Sometimes I really think you should have to take a test to vote to see if you're qualified to elect officials.I think about this all the time, but I always think back to the literacy tests of the 1800s. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test----------------------------------------- Unrelated note, my town has a monthly get together of high school age kids where they debate and vote on things for our county. They have no political power, but just sort of act it out. They're a small interest group who believe kids should have some sort of say in their government. Any thoughts on that?
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