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Post by TheChosen1 on May 4, 2015 11:35:33 GMT -5
- I don't see why people need to post pictures of figures they recently bought, especially recent current figures that everyone else is getting at the same time. - I don't understand why people are clamoring for an RVD figure with two titles, or more figures in general. We've gotten way too many RVD figures as it is, and he's not even that special. - I don't like that the packaging changes each year, and has been visually unappealing since the 2011 designs. - I think the recent Defining Moments that haven't been specific MOMENTS is lame. The priors were from specific matches or events, Razor could just have been a Flashback Elite, easily. - I don't see why we can't have more cloth clothing. They're made by the same company that makes Barbie. Does she get sculpted/molded dresses now? (Legit question) - There are WAY too many lines when coupled with store exclusives. TRU exclusives have become an abomination, Target exclusives have become very hard to find, Wal-Mart exclusives become hard to find once the rare one of the group is discovered. This forces me to support the secondary market. The Hall of Fame line should be spread among Target/TRU/Wal-Mart. I was lucky enough to grab the first HoF wave in one shot and then seeing how few Trish & Sarge were on the shelves, I think this second time around I'm going to support the secondary market so I don't have to go store hopping in hopes of finding them, especially Yokozuna. - Things like Super Strikers & Slam City are garbage. I can't get E28 Crush with silver detailing due to "budgets," but I can look at full pegs of this not well selling stuff? - I think Mattel jumped the gun in cutting the Legends line and Matty Exclusives as soon as they did. They killed them off and in Legends case, liquidated them way too soon. The Legends barely made it a year it feels like, but I've been looking at the same 10 Ice Cream Man CM Punk Slam City figures for more than a year, at full price. - Jakks figures were terrible. Aside from the fact that they would make anyone and every attire, their designs were horrendous, weren't scaled or proportioned well, and were very lazy looking. yep you said everything I needed to say so I'm good now..lol
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Post by RybackV1 on May 4, 2015 11:39:35 GMT -5
The first batch of Mattels looked like absolute $hit. Basic 1 made me laugh. And cry. That HHH head sculpt and those cartoonish colors they used. I was 100% done with figures after seeing that garbage. Elites too. Mattel started off and could hardly give figures away at big lots. And it's no surprise why. The quality was trash.
It's okay though. They weren't nearly as bad as the worst wrestling figures of all time. Jakks DA. In no way shape or form were these figures "deluxe". What was so special about the articulation? They were bonafide Giant sized finishing Moves figures (from TTL era years prior) it was nothing but a marketing ploy to try to get us to start an entire new collection. And some of you sadly fell right into their trap.
That's why I love Mattel so much now. The scale between figures is impeccable and I get sick when people try to bash them for scale issues. Go back to Jakks then. You can have a whole collection of basics and elites on display and they look perfect together. You don't have to choose between one or the other. Also They now have tons of colors they can use (apparently at first they had a limit of colors they were able to use) and the figures look better and better by the day. Some of these scans are insane. Dare I say perfect.
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Post by CodebreakerDX on May 4, 2015 11:41:45 GMT -5
Weak headscans lately, best example being the new Elite Dean Ambrose coming, his very first basic scan tops this in every way.
Not enough diva figures and they shouldn't be shortpacked, I'd take an updated Layla over an 80's and 90's jobber I never heard of or John Cena/Randy Orton/Rey Mysterio figure #810132312
Elite 2-packs should be a thing and Bill's excuses for why they aren't make me laugh.
They need to find packaging they're comfortable with instead of changing a billion times.
Super Strikers, Slam City and the rest of the gimmicks are actually good ideas, just executed poorly. If done better they'd appeal much more to children.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 11:42:43 GMT -5
E22 Tensai wasn't that bad a figure.
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Post by HVMMONS on May 4, 2015 11:44:17 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan's RSC Exclusive is garbage. The headscan doesn't help this figure's cause either. It will top Rock as the worst RSC Exclusive. Pathetic use of an exclusive. I agree only thing I like is the pose. But I did buy one for my mom only because the face scan looks like my step dad without his teeth in You win this thread.
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Post by jcm3344 on May 4, 2015 11:53:30 GMT -5
People getting mad about Exclusives being sold. Exclusives have been made forever by pretty much every corporation for all kinds of items. Stores want something to bring customers in and having something exclusive is the way to do that. If you collect something, there will be exclusives, get over it. People use Barbie all the time to compare things too, well they have store exclusives at every major retailer. Does it make it harder for collectors, yes. More expensive, yes. But at least we get things we would otherwise never see.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on May 4, 2015 11:59:23 GMT -5
Does it make it harder for collectors, yes. More expensive, yes. But at least we get things we would otherwise never see. That's the key thing. If they got rid of the store exclusives, those figures wouldn't get added to the main lines. They just wouldn't exist at all... Or a Sgt Slaughter repaint in elite 33 would mean no JYD, etc. Exclusives mean we get more stuff to choose from, and we can choose not to buy it if we don't like it.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 12:09:03 GMT -5
False. If Mattel eliminates a line and folds that line's budget into another line, then the line with the higher budget now carries a higher cost. We can play pretend that if Mattel added a ton to the budget of elite figures and keep the same price there'd be such an astronomic increase in sales that the economies of scale would make it worthwhile, but if we're over the age of twelve, we'd have to realise that that is not what would happen. And we're supposed to be over the age of twelve to sign up on here, so it's a discussion that wouldn't arise.Thanks for keeping this a serious discussion, I see where you have to divert to to try and get your point across. It's not false. Just because they'll have an increased budget, doesn't mean they'll have to use it all to pay it back. Your bank issues you a credit card with a $7,000 available balance, are you going to max it out? By your logic, yeah, because its there and thus you'll have your higher monthly payment. You've said increased budgets carries a higher cost, sure if you use it all. Is providing silver detailing on an E28 Crush really equal to Slam City figures? No, but now that there's an increased budget, it can be dipped into for a more accurate figure. And like I mentioned before, now that the shelves are clear, I can put out 2 cases of Elites and have the proven possibility of selling more Elites in the same time I would sell 1 case of Elites and Slam City figures. How does getting rid of two lines that aren't selling well (based upon real world scenarios that I've seen in person and in pictures of different stores from other members on this site) going to effect Elite prices? The company will be saving money by not manufacturing and distributing a product that doesn't sell, and not eat into their profits. Budget do not equal funds that has to be used, its your available funds. You have the availability to put the money into the line that's selling and now that you've cleared the shelves to allow for room for the product that's selling. So long as you keep your distribution in sync and the stores are properly stocked you'll prove that you don't need to have a bunch of different lines to sustain the product.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 12:24:09 GMT -5
-complaining about a figure you've never even seen in person..as in "thats not scale at all" So many people bitching about rsc hogan, you know what? You're all going to buy it anyway.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on May 4, 2015 12:26:39 GMT -5
It's not false. Just because they'll have an increased budget, doesn't mean they'll have to use it all to pay it back. Your bank issues you a credit card with a $7,000 available balance, are you going to max it out? By your logic, yeah, because its there and thus you'll have your higher monthly payment. You've said increased budgets carries a higher cost, sure if you use it all. Is providing silver detailing on an E28 Crush really equal to Slam City figures? No, but now that there's an increased budget, it can be dipped into for a more accurate figure. The budget for an Elite series is decided by the projected returns of an Elite series. The budget for a Slam City series is/was decided by the projected returns of a Slam City series. If you mix the budgets for the two, you have to meet the same return per unit from the two unless your production and sales scale up significantly (and as already pointed out, that wouldn't be happening). Those projected returns are being made by people with the actual numbers, not by a guy on the Internet who coincidentally has found all the lines he hates sell terribly and all the ones he likes sell like hot cakes. Mattel deciding that all elite figures now have the budget for $25 RRP worth of figures would mean those figures have to cost $25 RRP for the budgeting to work. Putting an extra paint app on Crush would not justify all that extra money, and it would kill the elite line because they now cost more than Defining Moments figures and thus stop selling. Just because some guy wanted more paint apps on Crush. And MDT coming on here and saying "yeah we have more of a budget for the elites, but we don't always use it because you guys don't max out your credit cards every month either" would not save the line. Rather than a strange vendetta against lines you don't like, you could more sensibly realise that Slam City figures have nothing to do with elite budgets and just suggest that Mattel's elite budget be increased slightly to allow an extra paint app or two. But that would still mean retail price increases for elites. And at this point, adding a dollar or two onto the price of a figure (on top of the usual inflation rises anyway) is probably going to lose more sales than extra paint apps would add. Short version: An elite budget is dependent on what they can justify spending to make a figure with an elite's retail price (well, wholesale price really) and sales figures. The budget doesn't increase without at least one of those other two things also increasing signifcantly.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 12:48:29 GMT -5
It's not false. Just because they'll have an increased budget, doesn't mean they'll have to use it all to pay it back. Your bank issues you a credit card with a $7,000 available balance, are you going to max it out? By your logic, yeah, because its there and thus you'll have your higher monthly payment. You've said increased budgets carries a higher cost, sure if you use it all. Is providing silver detailing on an E28 Crush really equal to Slam City figures? No, but now that there's an increased budget, it can be dipped into for a more accurate figure. The budget for an Elite series is decided by the projected returns of an Elite series. The budget for a Slam City series is/was decided by the projected returns of a Slam City series. If you mix the budgets for the two, you have to meet the same return per unit from the two unless your production and sales scale up significantly (and as already pointed out, that wouldn't be happening). Those projected returns are being made by people with the actual numbers, not by a guy on the Internet who coincidentally has found all the lines he hates sell terribly and all the ones he likes sell like hot cakes. Mattel deciding that all elite figures now have the budget for $25 RRP worth of figures would mean those figures have to cost $25 RRP for the budgeting to work. Putting an extra paint app on Crush would not justify all that extra money, and it would kill the elite line because they now cost more than Defining Moments figures and thus stop selling. Just because some guy wanted more paint apps on Crush. And MDT coming on here and saying "yeah we have more of a budget for the elites, but we don't always use it because you guys don't max out your credit cards every month either" would not save the line. Rather than a strange vendetta against lines you don't like, you could more sensibly realise that Slam City figures have nothing to do with elite budgets and just suggest that Mattel's elite budget be increased slightly to allow an extra paint app or two. But that would still mean retail price increases for elites. And at this point, adding a dollar or two onto the price of a figure (on top of the usual inflation rises anyway) is probably going to lose more sales than extra paint apps would add. Short version: An elite budget is dependent on what they can justify spending to make a figure with an elite's retail price (well, wholesale price really) and sales figures. The budget doesn't increase without at least one of those other two things also increasing signifcantly. You insinuated that I was a 12 year old because I didn't understand your flawed logic is not having a strange vendetta. It was me pointing out that you can't have a civil discussion. What attempt at using my words against me were you trying to do here? You're set in your ways, and that's great. Let me know what business you run, and what products you manufacture that don't sell and take up retail real estate and take away from one of your best sellers. I'd love to support the little man. I'm just going to reply to anything you say now by just liking your posts.
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Post by Last Trent Barreta Fan on May 4, 2015 12:51:58 GMT -5
They should try to make a Barbie line for Divas and slowly take them out of the basic and Elite lines.
Basics and their articulation is fine. The only thing I would do to make them better is hybrid elite leg articulation.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 12:54:35 GMT -5
They should try to make a Barbie line for Divas and slowly take them out of the basic and Elite lines. Basics and their articulation is fine. The only thing I would do to make them better is hybrid elite leg articulation. Wasn't there supposed to be a Barbie Beth Phoenix?
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Post by Last Trent Barreta Fan on May 4, 2015 12:59:27 GMT -5
They should try to make a Barbie line for Divas and slowly take them out of the basic and Elite lines. Basics and their articulation is fine. The only thing I would do to make them better is hybrid elite leg articulation. Wasn't there supposed to be a Barbie Beth Phoenix? Yeah, but nothing came of it, like the Unmatched Fury Orton/Punk we were supposed to get
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Post by HTMN on May 4, 2015 13:02:56 GMT -5
Defining Moments Undertaker is an amazing figure.
The body part choices used for Orton are perfect.
I don't think Mattel have done a decent HBK scan yet.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 13:07:19 GMT -5
People still banging on as if they know how Mattel run the business or what budgets they have! This never fails to make me laugh!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 13:22:38 GMT -5
I think that outside of SDCC taker that they kind of do a half ass job with his figures. They always have torsos that are way too small and we were treated to three Elites and inummerable basics with that very bland scan. And Elite 27 Taker's coat just looks like a chunky black blob. These are just my opinions, but that seems to be the point of the thread. I really wish they would try a little harder on him, he is a legend and he deserves nothing but the best. How does Heath Slater and Justin Gabriel have nicer figures when they are nobody in the presence of Taker? Amen brother
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on May 4, 2015 13:23:45 GMT -5
They should try to make a Barbie line for Divas and slowly take them out of the basic and Elite lines. Basics and their articulation is fine. The only thing I would do to make them better is hybrid elite leg articulation. Wasn't there supposed to be a Barbie Beth Phoenix? Not really, it was just a display piece they made for a convention. They've done a few of those things over the years, like the Punk/Orton statue and the legends brawlin' buddies.
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on May 4, 2015 13:44:54 GMT -5
Even though i created the thread i forgot to put my opinion haha. Legends 5 Macho Man is the best elite flashback to date. Nothing special just an awesome figure and the shirt is an incredible addition. I love it. I hope to get it MOC someday
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 14:11:28 GMT -5
I think they mess up with the Divas line It took WAY too long for Steph, Summer, Vickie etc. They also hardly ever do diva updates - LAYLA They lack on Elite Divas - Kelly, Elizabeth, A.J, Trish, Trish, Paige & Stephanie
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