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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 21, 2015 22:49:06 GMT -5
So all that crap with John Cena was for nothing? Pretty much so. If WWE gave Owens this amazing win, feud and allowed these 2 to go out there and perform like stars.......I would expect them to have done it for a reason. Now it looks like they made Owens big in order to have Cena squash him. Im not ruling out more.....but this smells like a typical WWE move.
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Post by k5 on Jul 21, 2015 22:55:48 GMT -5
Owens wasn't a main event guy anyway, he was upper mid card to begin with. that's what ric flair said about steve austin in wcw. ...
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jul 22, 2015 1:19:53 GMT -5
Demoted? Where is there to go after beating Cena? He'd be US Champion which is still a mid-card title. It's not like he'd be wrestling for the World Title. Yeah I thought this was weird when I read it. I don't recall the US tittle being apart of the main event scene.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jul 22, 2015 2:12:33 GMT -5
Yeah, in his first match on ppv he got a CLEAN win over Cena - something they were never willing to give Punk during their feud. I don't think anyone has anything to complain about, when it comes to Owens' standing in the company.
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Post by King Silva on Jul 22, 2015 3:01:18 GMT -5
He's going to be feuding with Cesaro so I don't really mind because that feud should be really intense just like the Cena/Owens one.
Maybe instead of the US Title he will just win the IC Title?
As long as he doesn't get injured I would expect him to at least have a solid reign which is a hard for IC Champs to do for some reason..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 4:15:48 GMT -5
I'm disappointed to read this hopefully, it's just the usual rumor making the rounds. However, I really thought he was going to take the US Championship. When I read he actually tapped out and the feud was basically over, I thought something was strange. I've been watching and studying this business a long time and I know when something isn't jiving and I think there is something a little off and it may not be exactly what this report states, but something is strange with Kevin Owens push. It really seemed Kevin Owens was going to succeed in his feud with John Cena and go on to feud with other mid-carders, and put John Cena back into more of a main event position.
I mean really what was the point of the whole feud? It certainly didn't introduce him. Most everyone knew who he was to begin with so I can't really look at it that perspective and nothing was accomplished, the character didn't really grow in it. Kevin Owens is really just himself with an ability to turn off an emotion at notice with his character. Heel or Face, he just has that ability to go "there" I can't really describe it. So if that wasn't the reason and its not about his looks, or talent, or backstage antics, My question is what really caused this sudden change?
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Post by tiny04 on Jul 22, 2015 4:47:29 GMT -5
He's been on the main roster for about 2 months. You shouldn't expect instant success. He has to go through a few mid card feuds first before getting the really big push. If Kevin Owens beat John Cena 2-1 in his first feud on the main roster what does he do next? If you beat the top guy in your first feud everyone else after that is a step down. Personally I was happy to see Owens look like a threat to Cena straight away in his career and I'll now look forward to seeing him in a few good midcard feuds leading up to a Wrestlemania match with Sami Zayn.
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Post by Himmy! on Jul 22, 2015 5:00:42 GMT -5
Eh. I thought this may happen. I hope they find something good for him because he's a great talent.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 5:35:16 GMT -5
Owens wasn't a main event guy anyway, he was upper mid card to begin with. that's what ric flair said about steve austin in wcw. ... Haha, I didn't mean it in that way. I mean that when he came up from NXT, he was immediately in the upper mid card. He has everything and more to be in the main event, it's just a matter of time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 5:46:56 GMT -5
Great... He's getting buried because of fkin John Cena! I'm sick of Cena he's always winning, he's always got a belt, he's always on my T.V screen! Just because the kids like him doesn't mean everyone does! I'm not saying I hate people who like Cena or anything but he's just a joke. All he does is win do some Chocolate Sharkty promos and then win again. He'll get a belt, keep it for about 300 days, he'll bury the people he defeated. In other words I DON'T WANT TO SEE CENA ANYMORE! THERE'S A REASON YOU HAVE TALENTS LIKE ZIGGLER, ROLLINS, ORTON, OWENS, ZAYN, TAKER, LESNAR, BRAY, AMBROSE, NEVILLE, RUSEV, HHH, BALOR, ITAMI, SAMOA JOE AND EVEN DIVAS LIKE SASHA BANKS, BECKY LYNCH, CHARLOTTE & BAYLEY
Rant Over.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 7:07:30 GMT -5
The thing is though, Owens won't allow himself to be treated like a joke. If WWE try to slap a ridiculous gimmick on him, he'll go elsewhere.
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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Jul 22, 2015 7:22:59 GMT -5
How many stars come up to the main roster and instantly are main eventers?
Rollins, Ambrose and Reigns all entered main event status mid 2014, about 16 months after they debuted. Bryan about 3 years. Cena 3 years. Punk about 5 years. Owens isn't main event after two months and OHHHH HE'S BURIED!! He gave the GUY a run for his money, that doesn't happen often even with other top guys Cena faces.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 7:23:06 GMT -5
In other words, what I said in the other thread came true. WWE had no plans for him after losing to Cena and don't have any idea what to do with him now. He was booked too strong to be a midcarder and not good enough to be a main eventer. Therefore, he's in limbo with nothing to do. See also: Wyatt, Bray Rusev As much as I hate to admit it, this is 100% true. IKR... I said the opposite in the other thread myself and it's a shame for Owens , really ... I'm having crow for dinner tonight...you're invited over if you want
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jul 22, 2015 7:31:54 GMT -5
And this is why WWE goes through periods of just being absolutely terrible. Every chance they have to make a new star, they decide to have them lose to people like Cena who one loss isn't even going to phase.
John Cena could have lost the US Title to Kevin Owens, the win would have completely legitimized Owens....and Cena STILL could have come out on RAW and called out Rollins. He could have said:
"Yeah, Kevin Owens beat me last night, he was the better man at Battleground. I said since the very beginning of the US Open Challenge that one day somebody was going to beat me for that title, what I was offering was the opportunity to do so....Seth Rollins, are you about giving opportunity as well? It seems like every time you defend that title it's because you are FORCED to do so, no because you take pride in being a fighting Champion".
Something like that....although it might have been just as insulting for John Cena to go out there and act like Seth Rollins needed to give him an "opportunity" considering John Cena gets more World Title shots for NO REASON (kayfabe) than anybody in history.
The whole thing is just a mess. The Undertaker coming back and John Cena getting a World Title shot seem like Vince McMahon making a huge knee-jerk reaction to ratings being low and Network subscriptions slowing down. Unfortunately, Seth is probably going to take the bullet here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 7:35:15 GMT -5
And this is why WWE goes through periods of just being absolutely terrible. Every chance they have to make a new star, they decide to have them lose to people like Cena who one loss isn't even going to phase. John Cena could have lost the US Title to Kevin Owens, the win would have completely legitimized Owens....and Cena STILL could have come out on RAW and called out Rollins. He could have said: "Yeah, Kevin Owens beat me last night, he was the better man at Battleground. I said since the very beginning of the US Open Challenge that one day somebody was going to beat me for that title, what I was offering was the opportunity to do so....Seth Rollins, are you about giving opportunity as well? It seems like every time you defend that title it's because you are FORCED to do so, no because you take pride in being a fighting Champion". Something like that....although it might have been just as insulting for John Cena to go out there and act like Seth Rollins needed to give him an "opportunity" considering John Cena gets more World Title shots for NO REASON (kayfabe) than anybody in history. The whole thing is just a mess. The Undertaker coming back and John Cena getting a World Title shot seem like Vince McMahon making a huge knee-jerk reaction to ratings being low and Network subscriptions slowing down. Unfortunately, Seth is probably going to take the bullet here. ^ This. I thought the whole point of Owens dropping the NXT title was because they were going to put the U.S. strap on him. It seems like that was the plan anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 7:39:55 GMT -5
Sometimes we as wrestling fans forget that all of our favorites can't all be in the main event and be world champion. It's a tough reality.
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Post by "The Perfect Ten" Mizard on Jul 22, 2015 7:53:58 GMT -5
Doesn't really surprise me.
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Post by Midnight on Jul 22, 2015 8:51:35 GMT -5
Kevin Owens may not have the exact look that WWE likes but that dude can talk on the mic and bring it in the ring like no other. I hope he somehow gets the U.S. title from Cena. By the way he wasn't or isn't main event, at least not yet. I believe he will get there in time.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jul 22, 2015 9:29:37 GMT -5
This is why I keep saying it's a bad idea to bring guys up to the main roster when they haven't finished up with NXT yet.
Kevin Owens has an NXT Championship match at NXT Takeover on August 22 the night before SummerSlam...so odds are Kevin Owens isn't even going to be ON SummerSlam!
I would have helped the feud between Rollins and Cena if at some point between now and SummerSlam Seth Rollins were to cost John Cena the US Title...but if they put the US Title on Kevin Owens, he's just going to have to lose to Finn Balor anyway, so I guess even if Owens had won at Battleground, he's not finished up with NXT anyway.
WWE had a great thing going when NXT and WWE were TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE THINGS. Now, you've got guys and Divas in both places and it's just making the storylines confusing and illogical.
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Post by skribbel24 on Jul 22, 2015 9:54:34 GMT -5
If I were an NXT wrestler I would much rather stay there and be a big fish in a small pond rather than being called up to the WWE roster to be crapped on.
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