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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 7:54:32 GMT -5
I read this every year since I first found dirt sheets on the internet.
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Post by attitudesback on Sept 26, 2015 13:53:51 GMT -5
Yes, this might be every years story but this time it's 10000% warranted. These are the worst ratings in YEARS. Record lows. That is not "dirt sheet gossip", that is fact. WWE have to do something, and do it quick. Putting a Swiss who can't talk won't fix it, using these NXT guys won't fix it. They need to change the formula and by change it I mean completely destroy it. If they have to, go back and look at what made the Attitude Era so popular. The content and guys were relatable. The storytelling was intense and everyone had a purpose. Now, it's any odd feud thrown together to make a random tag match after 2.5 hours of nothing but Authority garbage and Rollins moaning with some nothing matches in the middle.
Yeah, the in ring might be good. But to anyone in the real world, the in ring won't attract good viewers. It might entice people in, but they'll soon get bored of struggling to understand a Swiss guy or whoever WWE try and use, and then get even more frustrated storylines don't make sense or are just poorly told. The storytelling has to be great or no one cares. It's the same in movies and it's the same in any form of entertainment. If this isn't Wrestling, make sure that when you preach Sports Entertainment, your product is ENTERTAINING!
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Sept 26, 2015 14:29:17 GMT -5
Lack of stars, too much exposure and too scripted. PG audience...no booze, no curse words, doesnt appeal to the "degenerate" demographic that made such noise and showed such enthusiasm like in the attitude era therefore taking alot of the atmosphere out of the live audience.
It like politics with WWE, they are stuck in the centre ground playing it safe rather than going to the extreme of one end or the other and targeting a specific ideology and audience and really make their mark again.
Although saying all that, their ratings are still highly consistent when you take into account the amount of TV shows in the modern age therefore...why should they really change anything. Thats the dilemma WWE are in.
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Post by Rob on Sept 26, 2015 19:03:21 GMT -5
The huge problem with the product these days is lack of storylines. I want cliff hanger endings, I want stories i can get into, I want characters who have a background and story, I want to feel like if i miss a Raw, I'll miss a huge part of a storyline. This is how i felt in the Attitude era and early 00s. Now a typical Raw is this: - Authority opens up Raw - Rambles for 20 mins about some dumb crap - Thrown together singles match - Some intellectually- disabled ass back stage interview with WWE champion - random thrown together divas match - another in ring segment with a upper midcarder - random tag match - Some more filler interviews - random thrown together tag main event How in the am i suppose to be excited to watch that crap? There is nothing that makes me say "Wow, I HAVE to tune in next week". They had a period with Daniel Bryan vs the Authority where the product was "must watch" worthy but its been back to the same old bullcrap since then.
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Post by Boy Wonder on Sept 27, 2015 19:51:35 GMT -5
Go crazy and have a major storyline involving ROH or New Japan. Imagine the Bullet Club invading Raw.
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Post by Flair Forever on Sept 28, 2015 22:55:15 GMT -5
After watching such a lackluster RAW tonight, I have to think this story has no legs to it....
Yea, Vince might be concerned about low ratings..... tonight's RAW showed absolutely NO EFFORT to solve that problem though. It's like they slept through the entire show.
Terrible storylines, lack of star power, TOO MANY COMMERCIALS..... if Vince was that concerned about low ratings, he sure did nothing to try to raise them tonight.
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Post by Nivro™ on Sept 28, 2015 23:19:01 GMT -5
Go crazy and have a major storyline involving ROH or New Japan. Imagine the Bullet Club invading Raw. While I cant see WWE cross promoting with NJPW or ROH, I'd love for WWE to just quietly put some guys who are in awful gimmicks on he back burner and then just bring them out one night to thrash people as a faction. I mean lets be honest, people hate Roman Reigns. His cheesy ass promos, his dumb smile. Make him into a hell raising, ass kicking heel. Slap Jimmy & Jay Uso with him. Lets be honest, their careers arent really going anywhere wearing surfer shorts. You've got Nia Jax coming up through NXT soon. Slap them all together. You slick back some hair into ponytails, give them dark sunglasses & black suits. Have them beating guys up in the parking lot mafia style. You can even drop them a cool name like Samoan Swat Team and pay homage to their family. If the rumors of Carlito returning are true, you could stick the Colons together. You could stick 2nd/3rd generation superstars together like Cody Rhodes (cause the Stardust gimmick isnt going anywhere) with Curtis Axel (who's career is on life support) and a repackaged Bo Dallas. New Days has shown us that small (not nWo sized) factions can be very entertaining. Its just finding the right combinations & personalities to play the parts.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Sept 28, 2015 23:56:32 GMT -5
After watching such a lackluster RAW tonight, I have to think this story has no legs to it.... Yea, Vince might be concerned about low ratings..... tonight's RAW showed absolutely NO EFFORT to solve that problem though. It's like they slept through the entire show. Terrible storylines, lack of star power, TOO MANY COMMERCIALS..... if Vince was that concerned about low ratings, he sure did nothing to try to raise them tonight. Um, this is absolutely Vince "trying." He and Dunn think this was a good show and this is a good product. It's why they've been putting on the same show every Monday for relatively ten years with little variation.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Sept 29, 2015 0:02:21 GMT -5
Its NFL season so of course the Ratings will be low.They'll be fine. They have been they lowest they been since 1997, even before the NFL Season started.
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Post by The Yes Man on Sept 29, 2015 0:10:53 GMT -5
I actually kind of enjoyed Raw for the most part tonight. Only thing I would have changed would be Cesaro or Ambrose would've squashed Bo instead of Orton.
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Post by Joey Cush on Sept 29, 2015 1:41:03 GMT -5
The real issue with WWE right now is the fact they put such an emphasis on TV ratings. RAW is 3 hours and it seems they just do filler sh*t for time they have left over. They go by this TV show concept, where theres a start-finish to every show, where the issue is nearly resolved by the time the show is over. There is no cliffhanger main event, no reason to care about the mid card and the titles are seemingly worthless because they are just a prop.
The fact they worry about program timing and hourly ratings is killing the company. Regardless of rating, Daniel Bryan would have made you more money from Royal Rumble - WrestleMania and beyond than Batista/Orton. The live crowd translates to TV and if you notice, going from city to city the same guys are getting pops. They refuse to roll with it because of "ratings" and personal agendas. Just look at Cesaro. There is no reason he is in the position that he's in. He is top 5 most talented guys on the roster and the live crowd LOVES him. Kevin Owens same thing.
Vince and the rest of the WWE (maybe outside Triple H) doesnt understand where we are in 2015. With DVR, internet and even where Wrestling is, nothing is the same as it was then. A good portion of the audience will not sit through RAW 8-11 live, from start to finish. The audience doesnt like seeing Big Show wrestle Mark Henry. The audience likes wrestlers wrestling in a wrestling ring. The audience doesnt want the good guys winning all the time. And the audience wants an exciting reason to tune in next week.
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Post by dixol on Sept 29, 2015 5:10:05 GMT -5
After watching such a lackluster RAW tonight, I have to think this story has no legs to it.... Yea, Vince might be concerned about low ratings..... tonight's RAW showed absolutely NO EFFORT to solve that problem though. It's like they slept through the entire show. Terrible storylines, lack of star power, TOO MANY COMMERCIALS..... if Vince was that concerned about low ratings, he sure did nothing to try to raise them tonight. If there really were too many commercials, then Vince probably isn't worried at all. Commercials = revenue, and that's all that really matters.
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Post by cmiller79 on Sept 29, 2015 5:21:12 GMT -5
After last nights terrible raw I'd say he isn't worried to much
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 6:23:46 GMT -5
Go crazy and have a major storyline involving ROH or New Japan. Imagine the Bullet Club invading Raw. While I cant see WWE cross promoting with NJPW or ROH, I'd love for WWE to just quietly put some guys who are in awful gimmicks on he back burner and then just bring them out one night to thrash people as a faction. I mean lets be honest, people hate Roman Reigns. His cheesy ass promos, his dumb smile. Make him into a hell raising, ass kicking heel. Slap Jimmy & Jay Uso with him. Lets be honest, their careers arent really going anywhere wearing surfer shorts. You've got Nia Jax coming up through NXT soon. Slap them all together. You slick back some hair into ponytails, give them dark sunglasses & black suits. Have them beating guys up in the parking lot mafia style. You can even drop them a cool name like Samoan Swat Team and pay homage to their family. If the rumors of Carlito returning are true, you could stick the Colons together. You could stick 2nd/3rd generation superstars together like Cody Rhodes (cause the Stardust gimmick isnt going anywhere) with Curtis Axel (who's career is on life support) and a repackaged Bo Dallas. New Days has shown us that small (not nWo sized) factions can be very entertaining. Its just finding the right combinations & personalities to play the parts. He was interested in a deal but they lowballed him and he turned it down.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Sept 29, 2015 7:26:33 GMT -5
You mean people weren't just GLUED to the TV last night for that Big Show vs. Mark Henry match? lol
Yeah, I fell asleep during that match and woke up and it was after midnight. Completley missed RAW. I'm sure it was awful.
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Post by T R W on Sept 29, 2015 7:43:13 GMT -5
The amount of commercials isn't what kills me. It's the commercials during matches that kills me. It kills the pacing of the show. Even at the shows live I didn't mind because it gave me a couple of minutes to piss, sit down and relax, rest my voice, or get some food.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 29, 2015 9:28:01 GMT -5
You mean people weren't just GLUED to the TV last night for that Big Show vs. Mark Henry match? lol Yeah, I fell asleep during that match and woke up and it was after midnight. Completley missed RAW. I'm sure it was awful. You missed nothing. Everything after New Day was pretty bad.
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Post by revolution on Sept 29, 2015 9:48:19 GMT -5
You mean people weren't just GLUED to the TV last night for that Big Show vs. Mark Henry match? lol Yeah, I fell asleep during that match and woke up and it was after midnight. Completley missed RAW. I'm sure it was awful. You missed nothing. Everything after New Day was pretty bad.You could use that to describe most Raws the past few months.
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Post by J12 on Sept 29, 2015 9:52:04 GMT -5
After watching such a lackluster RAW tonight, I have to think this story has no legs to it.... Yea, Vince might be concerned about low ratings..... tonight's RAW showed absolutely NO EFFORT to solve that problem though. It's like they slept through the entire show. Terrible storylines, lack of star power, TOO MANY COMMERCIALS..... if Vince was that concerned about low ratings, he sure did nothing to try to raise them tonight. If there really were too many commercials, then Vince probably isn't worried at all. Commercials = revenue, and that's all that really matters. That's not really how it works. First of all, there's no more or less commercials on Raw now than there were before. Unless you're counting in-house promotional material, in which case, sure, but that doesn't count from a revenue perspective. Most importantly, the size of the sponsors WWE can attract correlates directly with how many people are watching their show. The bigger the audience, the larger appeal to a potential sponsor. Ratings are tanking, and sponsors, and more importantly, USA/NBC Universal, are going to start asking questions. There is absolute truth to this report, because they're at the lowest point they've been in eighteen years. If that isn't cause for concern, I don't know what is. The worst part is, he's incidentally sabotaging his own company. It's just that he doesn't realize it, because, as previously mentioned, because Vince feels that what they're putting out is a good show. He doesn't get it. He doesn't understand why people are running away and not looking back. He's oblivious, and has been for years. Vince's idea of "fixing" the problem was hot shotting the Lesnar/Taker blowoff, but it was so poorly planned and executed that they aren't even talking about it on Raw, presumably because neither Brock or Taker are available, and they backed themselves into the stupid Big Show corner.
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