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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 24, 2015 11:10:33 GMT -5
I love watching the Monday Night War shows on the WWE Network because I laugh at the irony in some of the statements made on that show. Guys like Chris Jericho saying, "WCW was stale, they refused to make new stars, and once a guy was just starting to break out, they would pull the rug from underneath him."
You don't say Chris?? Just like in the past 10 years we have seen it time and time again in the WWE?? The same guys stay on top and when someone starts to get over (ex. Zack Ryder, Damien Mizdow, Dolph Ziggler, Dean Ambrose) it's time to stop that and allow Randy Orton and John Cena to be the main vocal points of the show, with Sheamus, Big Show, and Kane right underneath.
The fact that Seth Rollins got pushed and is still WWE Champion is quite unique actually. Maybe John Cena can be the one to end his reign of terror for Vince's sake.
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Post by bad guy™ on Sept 24, 2015 11:12:35 GMT -5
Vince will never compete with the NFL. It's just the truth. I watch wrestling over the NFL every week but the Sunday night/Monday nights when the Steelers play? Steelers first WWE second. He could come up with the most clever storyline in history, one of his massive summer stories and that's still not going to steal away many if any viewers. I didn't know you were a Steelers fan! That's awesome!! I went to SBXXL in Detroit and saw them defeat the Seahawks. Bleed Black n' Gold for all our teams brah.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2015 11:16:31 GMT -5
Its NFL season so of course the Ratings will be low.They'll be fine.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 24, 2015 11:19:40 GMT -5
Its NFL season so of course the Ratings will be low.They'll be fine. It's lower than ever. Just chalking up it up to "the NFL is back" can only work for so long.
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Post by MattelsRule on Sept 24, 2015 11:22:01 GMT -5
I am a lifelong fan and I am watching Monday Night Football over RAW.
What I have been doing is simply DVRing RAW, fast forwarding the show and watching some of the interesting parts/matches. Usually I'm done a 3 hour RAW in under 45 minutes.
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Post by Kanenite on Sept 24, 2015 11:24:46 GMT -5
It always seems like when the ratings are low, I usually end up liking said episode.
Oher than Cesaro jobbing to Show, this week's RAW was great.
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Post by marino13 on Sept 24, 2015 11:29:53 GMT -5
Another thing I think they should do is a good "Who dun it?" If there is a major injury keeping someone off TV for close to a year make it into a story line. Sorta like the who ran down Austin thing from many years back. Have them laid out in the back and nobody saw what happened. That way you can keep the injured talent in the spotlight while giving us a great mystery with a twist ending. Just don't make it an Uso. [Vince calls up Rikishi...] Vince: Rikishi, we got another "who dun it" storyline coming up. Rikishi: Ill do it for da Rock. No. No Rikishi. No Usos. Has to be someone credible this time.
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Post by J12 on Sept 24, 2015 11:33:43 GMT -5
I love watching the Monday Night War shows on the WWE Network because I laugh at the irony in some of the statements made on that show. Guys like Chris Jericho saying, "WCW was stale, they refused to make new stars, and once a guy was just starting to break out, they would pull the rug from underneath him." You don't say Chris?? Just like in the past 10 years we have seen it time and time again in the WWE?? The same guys stay on top and when someone starts to get over (ex. Zack Ryder, Damien Mizdow, Dolph Ziggler, Dean Ambrose) it's time to stop that and allow Randy Orton and John Cena to be the main vocal points of the show, with Sheamus, Big Show, and Kane right underneath. The fact that Seth Rollins got pushed and is still WWE Champion is quite unique actually. Maybe John Cena can be the won to end his reign of terror for Vince's sake. This is an interesting point that has been brought up a few times and that I wholeheartedly agree with. Before someone jumps down my throat claiming it's hyperbolic, let me clarify that I don't think what's happening is an indication that WWE is going to fold and go out of business soon. I'm not jumping to that conclusion at all. But, it is undeniable that from a creative/booking/talent perspective, WWE is very much starting to resemble late era WCW.
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Post by HVMMONS on Sept 24, 2015 11:49:46 GMT -5
"If you don't like it, STOP WATCHING!" Good one internet... Vince doesn't have a solution because he's the problem. I'm sure he could always put the title on Sheamus. I bet that will really put asses in seats.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 24, 2015 11:54:00 GMT -5
I love watching the Monday Night War shows on the WWE Network because I laugh at the irony in some of the statements made on that show. Guys like Chris Jericho saying, "WCW was stale, they refused to make new stars, and once a guy was just starting to break out, they would pull the rug from underneath him." You don't say Chris?? Just like in the past 10 years we have seen it time and time again in the WWE?? The same guys stay on top and when someone starts to get over (ex. Zack Ryder, Damien Mizdow, Dolph Ziggler, Dean Ambrose) it's time to stop that and allow Randy Orton and John Cena to be the main vocal points of the show, with Sheamus, Big Show, and Kane right underneath. The fact that Seth Rollins got pushed and is still WWE Champion is quite unique actually. Maybe John Cena can be the won to end his reign of terror for Vince's sake. This is an interesting point that has been brought up a few times and that I wholeheartedly agree with. Before someone jumps down my throat claiming it's hyperbolic, let me clarify that I don't think what's happening is an indication that WWE is going to fold and go out of business soon. I'm not jumping to that conclusion at all. But, it is undeniable that from a creative/booking/talent perspective, WWE is very much starting to resemble late era WCW. Nah, WWE won't go out of business. WCW clearly went out of business cause of the Time Warner/AOL merger thing. But it is weird that WWE is resembling the late WCW era in how they treat their talent. It's too bad a WCW wasn't still around, maybe guys like Cena, Orton, Sheamus, Big Show would have jumped ship for a fresh start and for guaranteed big money. Then guys on the under card could be moved upward and pushed and stay in that main event scene.
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Post by J12 on Sept 24, 2015 11:58:47 GMT -5
This is an interesting point that has been brought up a few times and that I wholeheartedly agree with. Before someone jumps down my throat claiming it's hyperbolic, let me clarify that I don't think what's happening is an indication that WWE is going to fold and go out of business soon. I'm not jumping to that conclusion at all. But, it is undeniable that from a creative/booking/talent perspective, WWE is very much starting to resemble late era WCW. Nah, WWE won't go out of business. WCW clearly went out of business cause of the Time Warner/AOL merger thing. But it is weird that WWE is resembling the late WCW era in how they treat their talent. It's too bad a WCW wasn't still around, maybe guys like Cena, Orton, Sheamus, Big Show would have jumped ship for a fresh start and for guaranteed big money. Then guys on the under card could be moved upward and pushed and stay in that main event scene. Right, I don't think they're in any danger of anything that drastic. But it's interesting to think about where they go as a company if they continue to move forward with the WCW philosophy. Do they fall out of favor with NBC Universal? How much negotiating power do they lose with rights fees? Do they move to smaller venues? Do they vastly change their production style to cut back costs? And, even more intersting, is what does it mean for wrestling as a whole? If they're not quite as accessible as they are now because they no longer have clout with the networks, does their lack of exposure drive casual viewers away from them, or from wrestling as a whole? Does it help or hurt the indy promotions? It's a really interesting topic, and I don't think any of the questions I poised above can be answered right now. We're in uncharted territory. The only game in town has been left to their own devices and it's essentially causing a great deal of self harm.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Sept 24, 2015 12:13:10 GMT -5
Other than returns, and who's left to return? Rock, Jericho, Triple H, Lesnar, Undertaker, all are quite regular these days. Outside of Stone Cold and CM Punk I dont see a return causing much of a stir.
Cena winning his 16th championship? Although historic not something people want to see. Cena turning heel? that would be huge, but not something I think will happen any time soon.
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Post by @.@ Hempsterdance @.@ on Sept 24, 2015 12:36:37 GMT -5
Vince needs to stop. Allow Hunter to take control for one month and see how it goes.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Sept 24, 2015 12:44:54 GMT -5
I know it's a crazy idea, but maybe if Vince put on a decent show every week the rating just might fix themselves...
He keeps putting on mediocre (at best) shows and is confused as to why it isn't clicking. It's time for him to retire and give the company over to Steph and Paul.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Sept 24, 2015 12:56:36 GMT -5
Other than returns, and who's left to return? Rock, Jericho, Triple H, Lesnar, Undertaker, all are quite regular these days. Outside of Stone Cold and CM Punk I dont see a return causing much of a stir. Cena winning his 16th championship? Although historic not something people want to see. Cena turning heel? that would be huge, but not something I think will happen any time soon. Why bother with returns? Small spike in ratings? It's not really the fix they need to keep themselves on top. They have so much good talent right now, use what you have, make it work.
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Post by A-Rob on Sept 24, 2015 12:57:25 GMT -5
It's only a matter of time untill USA Network begs Vince to return to tv.
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Post by Miztery on Sept 24, 2015 13:45:55 GMT -5
Vince McMahon only pushed the limit when he absolutely had to or else he'd be out of business. And a lot of what he did to when he actually pushed himself was stole off ECW. He's never competing with the NFL. Ever. It annoys me when people compare Wrestlemania to the Super Bowl. The only similarity that they have is both being the biggest show. The Super Bowl could be in a crowd of 500k and it would sell out. WM can't even get 100k guaranteed.
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Post by J12 on Sept 24, 2015 14:03:00 GMT -5
Vince McMahon only pushed the limit when he absolutely had to or else he'd be out of business. And a lot of what he did to when he actually pushed himself was stole off ECW. He's never competing with the NFL. Ever. It annoys me when people compare Wrestlemania to the Super Bowl. The only similarity that they have is both being the biggest show. The Super Bowl could be in a crowd of 500k and it would sell out. WM can't even get 100k guaranteed. Wrestlemania is still a bit bigger than I think you're giving it credit for. No, it's not the Super Bowl. No, it doesn't have the drawing power that the Super Bowl does. No, it's not a worldwide phenomenon. It is, however, one of the only other events that cities go out of their way to request. Wrestlemania consistently gives huge boosts to the local economy in the host city. WWE isn't wrong for hyping it the way that they do, it's a big deal. It's the one day of the year that they can point at themselves, say "see? we're making a positive impact" and not have the general public and mainstream media laugh them off. Also, on a semi-related note, I've seen a lot of people indicate that WWE could never compete with the NFL. That's certainly true now, and probably always has been to a certain extent, however, there are a lot of reports out there that indicate the NFL and ABC were genuinely concerned with the number of viewers they were losing to Raw during the Attitude Era. WWE was an absolute juggernaut at the time.
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Post by Dan on Sept 24, 2015 14:25:12 GMT -5
I just think they are nearing the time of hitting a wall creatively. They're coming to the point of full circle, in everything that's happened over the last couple of decades. The emphasis on having or forcing to create new Stars is bigger than ever, and that weight bear ultimately hinders certain guys progression to the top. 95% of every top Star from the 90's onwards has left the company, finally returned, left again, and returned again. The continuous year long cycle building from Wrestlemania to Wrestlemania has become draining for the fan, sitting in for the long haul is harder than ever. It's rinse, wash and repeat with trying to find a new guy, building him, and going on to the next one, filtered in with the hope of a return here and there, and trying to put together the pieces for the following years April showpiece. Even becoming frutrated with the logic behind things they do creatively (which used to get fans pumped, voice their opinions and hope they would ultimately change direction for the better) has become tiresome.
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Post by Sizzle on Sept 24, 2015 14:32:14 GMT -5
You've always got me, WWE. Unless the Dolphins or the Ravens are playing, I'll be watching RAW.
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