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Post by bigshab421 on Feb 3, 2016 8:28:18 GMT -5
Now I know that the ridiculous amounts of injuries have threw WWE's WrestleMania 32 plans into chaos, but does anyone think that Vince has just went nuts and said screw it? WrestleMania will sell itself this year?
With a show that is gonna be headlined by Reigns/HHH for the title, Wyatt/Lesnar, and Taker/Strowman, is it really past Vince to just be showing hubris in the WrestleMania brand name and being confident that he can throw any garbage to the fans and it will sell out 100,000 seats in Dallas?
Like I said before I know injuries sent plans into a spiral, but this as we all know is not the best that they could come up with for the biggest Mania ever.
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Post by Sizzle on Feb 3, 2016 8:32:16 GMT -5
None of that is confirmed yet, and some injured people may return. Wait and see.
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Post by bigshab421 on Feb 3, 2016 8:38:59 GMT -5
None of that is confirmed yet, and some injured people may return. Wait and see. I have read that Cesaro is close, but he won't be working a program with Taker, Lesnar or with anyone of importance on this show. It's just disheartening.
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Post by Squid: The Anti-Hero on Feb 3, 2016 8:40:23 GMT -5
I think this is the best they can come up with. The best THEY can, just based off how the product has been, of course it could be better, but in the Wwe, it never will
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on Feb 3, 2016 9:45:40 GMT -5
If the WWE treats WrestleMania the way the NFL treats the SuperBowl, the NHL treats the Stanly Cup, the NBA treats the Finals, the MLB treats the World Series, then sure, the WWE can rely on the WrestleMania brand itself to sell out the show. It’s now a 32 year tradition. The Main Event could be Dean Ambrose vs. Kalisto for the Undisputed Unified United-Continental Championship Title Belts, and it will still sell out due to who else could possibly show up. I can’t even imagine any Professional Sports Wrestling Entertainment fan skipping WrestleMania, especially for only $9.99 on the WWE Network. I mean, what else can you get for $9.99 that would have as much value as WrestleMania. You could get a 6 pack of beer or a very cheap 12 pack. You could get a pack of cigarettes or 2 very cheap packs. You could get the Grandest Stage of Them All, the Showcase of the Immortals, the Grand Daddy of Them All, the Show of Shows!!
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 3, 2016 9:50:34 GMT -5
I honestly think Vince is doing the best he can with the wrestlers he has available to him. Vince's best just doesn't lineup with the audience anymore, which is ultimately a big part of the problem.
Is filing that stadium going to be largely reliant on the WrestleMania brand name? Yes, 100%. I just don't think Vince has the tools available to him to make this a big spectacle. HBK refuses to un-retire, Batista doesn't want any because they burnt that bridge, Rock can't risk his physical health, Austin isn't coming back, Rollins, Orton, Sting, Bryan, and Cena are all hurt, and CM Punk obviously isn't coming back to save anything. That leaves Vince with a broken down Taker who is at the end of his rope, a babyface Roman Reigns who half the audience doesn't like, Bray Wyatt who has been positioned as a guy who can face top talent but can't beat them, Triple H to main event when he has never actually been "The Guy" for WWE, and Brock Lesnar, who honestly has lost quite a bit of his shine over the last year.
I don't have the answers. I think the only remaining trick WWE has to play is let Ambrose win the triple threat, have Brock vs Reigns II, have Ambrose win the title, and have Reigns turn heel to beat Brock and then join Triple H. That's an internet idea though, not a WWE one, at least not anymore.
If Mania was in a stadium with 20,000 people there would be no issue with the card. Because it's in a 100,000 seat arena, with 2/3 of the top talent down for the count, it's a bad situation for the fans and WWE. I don't think WWE is laying down but I think Vince is being forced to make the best out of a very bad situation, the only way he knows how to do it.
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Post by bigshab421 on Feb 3, 2016 10:03:09 GMT -5
I honestly think Vince is doing the best he can with the wrestlers he has available to him. Vince's best just doesn't lineup with the audience anymore, which is ultimately a big part of the problem. Is filing that stadium going to be largely reliant on the WrestleMania brand name? Yes, 100%. I just don't think Vince has the tools available to him to make this a big spectacle. HBK refuses to un-retire, Batista doesn't want any because they burnt that bridge, Rock can't risk his physical health, Austin isn't coming back, Rollins, Orton, Sting, Bryan, and Cena are all hurt, and CM Punk obviously isn't coming back to save anything. That leaves Vince with a broken down Taker who is at the end of his rope, a babyface Roman Reigns who half the audience doesn't like, Bray Wyatt who has been positioned as a guy who can face top talent but can't beat them, Triple H to main event when he has never actually been "The Guy" for WWE, and Brock Lesnar, who honestly has lost quite a bit of his shine over the last year. I don't have the answers. I think the only remaining trick WWE has to play is let Ambrose win the triple threat, have Brock vs Reigns II, have Ambrose win the title, and have Reigns turn heel to beat Brock and then join Triple H. That's an internet idea though, not a WWE one, at least not anymore. If Mania was in a stadium with 20,000 people there would be no issue with the card. Because it's in a 100,000 seat arena, with 2/3 of the top talent down for the count, it's a bad situation for the fans and WWE. I don't think WWE is laying down but I think Vince is being forced to make the best out of a very bad situation, the only way he knows how to do it. They really booked themselves into a corner by force feeding every heel to Reigns and once he topples HHH there is nobody left. I feel like even with a depleted roster we could have a much better card. Reigns/Ambrose/HHH(c) Wyatt/Brock Taker/Jericho Owens/Styles Sasha/Charlotte DZ/Cesaro/Rusev/Sheamus/ADR/Neville/Miz/Kalisto(c) ladder match Enzo&Cass/New Day(c) Show/Kane/Ryback/Harper/Rowan/Strowman (preshow) Nothing wrong with that card at all. The triple threat title creates unpredictability and the rest of the matches would be superb
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Post by HVMMONS on Feb 3, 2016 10:11:09 GMT -5
None of that is confirmed yet, and some injured people may return. Wait and see. I have read that Cesaro is close, but he won't be working a program with Taker, Lesnar or with anyone of importance on this show. It's just disheartening. Undertaker? Important? Wrestlemania? 2016? HA!
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Post by J12 on Feb 3, 2016 12:20:41 GMT -5
The Wrestlemania brand undoubtedly has a lot of clout and carries a built in number of ticket sales, without a doubt.
I do, however, think that Vince and company overestimate its overall goodwill.
And that trickles down to the rest of product as a whole. Vince and Stephanie are about putting themselves over first, the brand over second, and the talent third.
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Post by k5 on Feb 3, 2016 12:26:15 GMT -5
they should've been planning for Brock/Austin and paid Austin whatever he wanted.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Feb 3, 2016 13:02:01 GMT -5
They've got four top names on active duty: Reigns, HHH, Lesnar, Undertaker. Lesnar vs Undertaker, Lesnar vs HHH, and HHH vs Undertaker have been done to death. That limits the possible combinations of those four. That leaves Reigns vs HHH, or Reigns vs Undertaker, or Reigns vs Lesnar, as the main event.
Then they've got Ambrose, Owens and Wyatt (and maybe Jericho) as the guys who can kinda face the top guys, but aren't really on that level for a WrestleMania -- but because of the injuries, they have to be called on as viable opponents for the two top guys who aren't facing Roman Reigns.
Whichever way those names get shifted around, you can get a good card but not a "biggest WrestleMania ever" card. That's just the hand they've been dealt. But no matter how badly they've been hit, I can't see Braun Strowman getting into one of the top singles matches. It just won't work. Even if they book it, I would expect another Nathan Jones situation where he gets written out of the match on the day of the show.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 13:05:59 GMT -5
HHH vs Lesnar = Money & Entertaining... Repetitive but entertaining Undertaker = Money & Entertaining Charlotte vs Sasha vs Becky = Give good length amazing match Throw in good storylines involving, Reigns, Styles, Ambrose, Owens, Wyatts, New Day & Ziggler. NXT Stars if desperate. I bet there will be a return either between now and Mania or at Mania.
WWE will be okay.
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Post by ricflair4ever on Feb 3, 2016 13:39:12 GMT -5
The brand, on a year like this, is their biggest hope. We all expect a mind blowing show, in part, simply because its WrestleMania. We also thought some big things were gonna have to happen just to justify the size of the venue and Vinces hope for a new attendance record. But instead we have to settle for the cards that were dealt thru injuries late last year. I've detailed how i would salvage the card and what could be done to get it over as a solid draw, in other threads. All using ,for the most part, the existing non injured roster members. All they really need to do is step up the booking......period. "Write" the scenarios they are trying to build logically and with direction. Have a few surprises up their sleeve(read Daniel Bryan apperance in the tite match) and you'll draw in the audience, then leave them happy and excited to see the follow up on Monday. What really frustrates most of us on here ,i think, is that most of the issues we have with the product are in the illogical plot holes (anything to take title from Reigns......here have a title shot Reigns!) Work on that a little more heading into Mania, and give people a reason to care about your card, and it will be a success.
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Post by bigshab421 on Feb 3, 2016 13:46:29 GMT -5
But what I'm saying is with even such a depleted roster, they can do way better than Strowman/Undertaker and Reigns/HHH. They are lazy and it seems like they are just throwing in the towel.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Feb 3, 2016 14:02:07 GMT -5
Being in AT&T Stadium in Dallas is actually what really sells this event. You could put on one of the most mediocre cards in 'Mania history and it will sell out just because of where its at this year. I truly believe that.
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Post by kimberlasskick on Feb 3, 2016 14:02:38 GMT -5
i can't and won't believe taker vs strowman until I'm in the stadium watching it. they can't seriously even consider that
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Post by ricflair4ever on Feb 3, 2016 14:11:49 GMT -5
But what I'm saying is with even such a depleted roster, they can do way better than Strowman/Undertaker and Reigns/HHH. They are lazy and it seems like they are just throwing in the towel. Strowman vs Undertaker should NOT happen. I agree there totally. I'd rather it be Taker, Kane and Lesnar vs All 4 Wyatts in a handicapped tag match, than Taker vs Strowman 1 on 1. Now as for HHH vs Reigns, They've invested in it too much not to happen now. And thats where the logical booking, and some surprise twists at the event will help out. Its gonna have to be some smoke and mirrors to make it look like Roman is over by the end of the match. A distraction if you will. Now whether thats Daniel Bryan, Rock, Rousey or Austin ,it doesn't really matter. But its gonna be needed to get Reigns where they want. And by that ,i mean where they want him on THAT specific night. They don't want to have backlash or apathy at Manias main event. So they're gonna have to spruce him up, at least for then, and make it look better than what it really is. Any of those names mentioned above could potentially ease that presumed backlash/apathy. In truth, Reigns should be getting his revenge on HHH in a non title grudge match. Its less complicated and has the logical ending. The title match should have been between two other guys.....but they're gonna go with Reigns vs Hunter because thats what they been building since Survivor Series really.
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Post by LA Times on Feb 3, 2016 18:04:40 GMT -5
The Wrestlemania name can draw 60,000 by itself. Its whats on the card that draws the rest of the fans and Reigns/HHH, Stroman/Undertaker and Wyatt/Lesnar will not be getting the other 40,000 to sell out Cowboy Stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 21:15:14 GMT -5
The Rick Vs. Stong MUST main event WM32. It's the only way to save WM.
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Post by KPnDC on Feb 3, 2016 23:43:41 GMT -5
I hate reading spoilers. Most of the time they're in correct. None of those matches have been confirmed. Also, it's been CONFIRMED that Braun isn't facing the Undertaker and that the original article quoting that Alvarez guy was taken out of context. WM 31 was seen as a week event leading up to it and the card delivered some and more. The same can be said for 30. I wish wrestling fans would enjoy the product, stop reading those bullcrap "reports" and let WWE tell the story instead of trying to figure it out before hand. What fun is it knowing what's going to happen before it actually happens?
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