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Post by hbkjason on Mar 16, 2016 4:41:05 GMT -5
Do You Think Bret Hart Would Have Taken The Title To WCW?
I know what you are thinking “oh great another Montreal Screwjob post” and yes it is, but instead of focussing who was right and who was wrong. What I want to get people’s opinions on today was if they actually believe that Bret Hart would have taken the WWF title to WCW had he been allowed to walk out of Survivor Series 1997 as champion?
I honestly just cannot see anyway that Bret Hart actually does this and this is what seemed to be the big concern of Vince McMahon that resulted in the screwjob happening. But had things gone down the way it was said to with the run in and DQ finish with Bret Hart then giving up the belt the next night on RAW. Were they scared that Bret would no show RAW and head straight to Nitro with the title? The whole screwjob to me seems like it was just an excuse for people to get one over on Bret.
There was nothing in Bret Harts character that would suggest he would do anything like this so in my opinion no matter if Bischoff threw Turners cheque book at him I just do not see him taking he title to WCW.
So do you think there was ever a chance that Bret Hart would have taken the WWF title to WCW?
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Post by 0,Y on Mar 16, 2016 5:57:23 GMT -5
I've always wondered that too. I highly doubt Bret would have done that. Your explanation on how this was just a way to give Bret a big  you makes more sense imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 7:39:06 GMT -5
Bret. He didn't wanna do business. Lol in all seriousness though I think he would have |
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Post by 500DaysofNight on Mar 16, 2016 8:59:55 GMT -5
He couldn't even if he wanted to according to Bischoff. They had already been sued over the Hall & Nash debacle and there's no way they could've gotten away with it without getting sued again for the same thing.
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Post by cmiller79 on Mar 16, 2016 10:00:56 GMT -5
They were still in the middle of a lawsuit over the women's championship
NO WAY eric let's him show up on t.v with belt
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 11:24:32 GMT -5
No.
Bret was a loyal company man to WWE. So he wouldn't have done it even if Bischoff asked him to.
Bischoff was in heaps of crap for letting Blaze do it with the woman's title, no chance he would have OKd it even if Bret had wanted to.
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Post by JC Motors on Mar 16, 2016 11:42:01 GMT -5
They were still in the middle of a lawsuit over the women's championship NO WAY eric let's him show up on t.v with belt Yep. They didn't want to be entangled in more legal troubles. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 16, 2016 13:57:05 GMT -5
No way.
1) Bret said he never entertained or had any plans to bring the Belt to WCW. In fact, he WANTED to drop it on Raw the next night to HBK, if Shawn would just do him the favor at survivor series. So it was never on his radar to do such a thing.
2) As others said, WCW and Bischoff were in the middle of a massive lawsuit due to WWF owned intellectual property appearing on Nitro without consent or reimbursement ( the Women's Belt). Bischoff himself said there was no way in hell Turner would let him do it again,even if he wanted to. Which he didn't.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Mar 16, 2016 14:58:54 GMT -5
I think Bret would have not just taken it to WCW, but ECW, NJPW, the defunct AWA and even IWCCW.
But seriously, from what I remember Bret had it in his contract that he was in the WWE until December, because he was going to wrestle on the December PPV, so even if he did hold onto the belt at Survivor Series, he wouldn't be going to WCW the following night. Once again, another reason as to why I feel the Montreal Screw Job was a work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 15:55:31 GMT -5
They were still in the middle of a lawsuit over the women's championship NO WAY eric let's him show up on t.v with belt I disagree. Bischoff was crazy nuts. He'd likely take another lawsuit. |
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Post by Gone. on Mar 16, 2016 15:58:04 GMT -5
No. He would have handed it to Bulldog.
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 16, 2016 17:36:24 GMT -5
They were still in the middle of a lawsuit over the women's championship NO WAY eric let's him show up on t.v with belt I disagree. Bischoff was crazy nuts. He'd likely take another lawsuit. Bischoff himself said no. That the Turner execs would have killed him if he brought another multi-million dollar lawsuit against the organization. It might even have cost him his job. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 16, 2016 17:53:07 GMT -5
I think Bret would have not just taken it to WCW, but ECW, NJPW, the defunct AWA and even IWCCW. But seriously, from what I remember Bret had it in his contract that he was in the WWE until December, because he was going to wrestle on the December PPV, so even if he did hold onto the belt at Survivor Series, he wouldn't be going to WCW the following night. Once again, another reason as to why I feel the Montreal Screw Job was a work. This is true. a lot of people assume his last contracted day was the day after survivor Series, but it actually ran into December like you said. After the SS cluster caused by Michaels, Bret told Vince they still had time to come up with another solution, and was willing to drop it to Taker,Austin,even Shamrock or Mankind at a Raw or the next PPV. But Vince was the one absolutely insisting it had to be done that weekend,and when Bret refused to drop it to HBK, Vince came up with the idea of him surrendering the title on Raw the next night. For those who don't know the HBK cluster - Bret was set to drop the title to Michaels at Survivor Series. Bret had no issues with this, and had a locker room conversation with Michaels once this booking plan was made. Bret says that the Anvil and Shamrock were there with him to validate his claims. Bret told Michaels that Vince planned the title switch, and he had no issues with it, and despite their past issues he could trust Bret to be safe with him in the ring. Shawn said he appreciated that,but if the shoe was on the other foot, he would not return the favor and job out to Bret. This royally pissed Bret off, as he felt totally disrespected by Shawn,especially as he was going to be giving him the Title on his way out. Bret and Vince went back and forth for weeks about what to do. Bret had a counterproposal - he WOULD drop the Belt to Shawn, but on the Raw the night after Survivor Series. But only if Shawn would do the favor for Bret at the PPV itself. Bret said he felt this was fair, as it not only gave him some respect back (by winning his last WWF PPV match), but it also put Shawn in his place for openly refusing to lose matches. And Bret also argued that more people would see the Title switch on Raw than the PPV, giving Shawn more exposure in becoming the Champion. But Vince absolutely insisted it simply HAD to be at the PPV. And the logjam on both sides led to the Montreal Screwjob. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Mar 16, 2016 18:21:19 GMT -5
I think Bret would have not just taken it to WCW, but ECW, NJPW, the defunct AWA and even IWCCW. But seriously, from what I remember Bret had it in his contract that he was in the WWE until December, because he was going to wrestle on the December PPV, so even if he did hold onto the belt at Survivor Series, he wouldn't be going to WCW the following night. Once again, another reason as to why I feel the Montreal Screw Job was a work. This is true. a lot of people assume his last contracted day was the day after survivor Series, but it actually ran into December like you said. After the SS cluster caused by Michaels, Bret told Vince they still had time to come up with another solution, and was willing to drop it to Taker,Austin,even Shamrock or Mankind at a Raw or the next PPV. But Vince was the one absolutely insisting it had to be done that weekend,and when Bret refused to drop it to HBK, Vince came up with the idea of him surrendering the title on Raw the next night. For those who don't know the HBK cluster - Bret was set to drop the title to Michaels at Survivor Series. Bret had no issues with this, and had a locker room conversation with Michaels once this booking plan was made. Bret says that the Anvil and Shamrock were there with him to validate his claims. Bret told Michaels that Vince planned the title switch, and he had no issues with it, and despite their past issues he could trust Bret to be safe with him in the ring. Shawn said he appreciated that,but if the shoe was on the other foot, he would not return the favor and job out to Bret. This royally pissed Bret off, as he felt totally disrespected by Shawn,especially as he was going to be giving him the Title on his way out. Bret and Vince went back and forth for weeks about what to do. Bret had a counterproposal - he WOULD drop the Belt to Shawn, but on the Raw the night after Survivor Series. But only if Shawn would do the favor for Bret at the PPV itself. Bret said he felt this was fair, as it not only gave him some respect back (by winning his last WWF PPV match), but it also put Shawn in his place for openly refusing to lose matches. And Bret also argued that more people would see the Title switch on Raw than the PPV, giving Shawn more exposure in becoming the Champion. But Vince absolutely insisted it simply HAD to be at the PPV. And the logjam on both sides led to the Montreal Screwjob. In looking back, it would have been smarter to have Bret drop the belt to HBK on Raw. Ratings for the WWE were horrible during that time frame, and if a big title match took place on Raw between those 2 - and having a title change hands between them - wouldn't bring in the ratings, then I don't know what would?!?! |
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 16, 2016 18:32:02 GMT -5
This is true. a lot of people assume his last contracted day was the day after survivor Series, but it actually ran into December like you said. After the SS cluster caused by Michaels, Bret told Vince they still had time to come up with another solution, and was willing to drop it to Taker,Austin,even Shamrock or Mankind at a Raw or the next PPV. But Vince was the one absolutely insisting it had to be done that weekend,and when Bret refused to drop it to HBK, Vince came up with the idea of him surrendering the title on Raw the next night. For those who don't know the HBK cluster - Bret was set to drop the title to Michaels at Survivor Series. Bret had no issues with this, and had a locker room conversation with Michaels once this booking plan was made. Bret says that the Anvil and Shamrock were there with him to validate his claims. Bret told Michaels that Vince planned the title switch, and he had no issues with it, and despite their past issues he could trust Bret to be safe with him in the ring. Shawn said he appreciated that,but if the shoe was on the other foot, he would not return the favor and job out to Bret. This royally pissed Bret off, as he felt totally disrespected by Shawn,especially as he was going to be giving him the Title on his way out. Bret and Vince went back and forth for weeks about what to do. Bret had a counterproposal - he WOULD drop the Belt to Shawn, but on the Raw the night after Survivor Series. But only if Shawn would do the favor for Bret at the PPV itself. Bret said he felt this was fair, as it not only gave him some respect back (by winning his last WWF PPV match), but it also put Shawn in his place for openly refusing to lose matches. And Bret also argued that more people would see the Title switch on Raw than the PPV, giving Shawn more exposure in becoming the Champion. But Vince absolutely insisted it simply HAD to be at the PPV. And the logjam on both sides led to the Montreal Screwjob. In looking back, it would have been smarter to have Bret drop the belt to HBK on Raw. Ratings for the WWE were horrible during that time frame, and if a big title match took place on Raw between those 2 - and having a title change hands between them - wouldn't bring in the ratings, then I don't know what would?!?! I just assume it was Vince being the spiteful bastard he usually is when he doesn't get what he wants. |
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Post by OmegaGaijin on Mar 16, 2016 18:44:26 GMT -5
I actually spoke to Bret about this. He said he'd never do it, even if Eric asked. Bret's main reason more than anything is his dad. He said doing something like that would disgust Stu.
There ya go, case closed.
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Post by OmegaGaijin on Mar 16, 2016 18:47:18 GMT -5
I think Bret would have not just taken it to WCW, but ECW, NJPW, the defunct AWA and even IWCCW. But seriously, from what I remember Bret had it in his contract that he was in the WWE until December, because he was going to wrestle on the December PPV, so even if he did hold onto the belt at Survivor Series, he wouldn't be going to WCW the following night. Once again, another reason as to why I feel the Montreal Screw Job was a work. This is true. a lot of people assume his last contracted day was the day after survivor Series, but it actually ran into December like you said. After the SS cluster caused by Michaels, Bret told Vince they still had time to come up with another solution, and was willing to drop it to Taker,Austin,even Shamrock or Mankind at a Raw or the next PPV. But Vince was the one absolutely insisting it had to be done that weekend,and when Bret refused to drop it to HBK, Vince came up with the idea of him surrendering the title on Raw the next night. For those who don't know the HBK cluster - Bret was set to drop the title to Michaels at Survivor Series. Bret had no issues with this, and had a locker room conversation with Michaels once this booking plan was made. Bret says that the Anvil and Shamrock were there with him to validate his claims. Bret told Michaels that Vince planned the title switch, and he had no issues with it, and despite their past issues he could trust Bret to be safe with him in the ring. Shawn said he appreciated that,but if the shoe was on the other foot, he would not return the favor and job out to Bret. This royally pissed Bret off, as he felt totally disrespected by Shawn,especially as he was going to be giving him the Title on his way out. Bret and Vince went back and forth for weeks about what to do. Bret had a counterproposal - he WOULD drop the Belt to Shawn, but on the Raw the night after Survivor Series. But only if Shawn would do the favor for Bret at the PPV itself. Bret said he felt this was fair, as it not only gave him some respect back (by winning his last WWF PPV match), but it also put Shawn in his place for openly refusing to lose matches. And Bret also argued that more people would see the Title switch on Raw than the PPV, giving Shawn more exposure in becoming the Champion. But Vince absolutely insisted it simply HAD to be at the PPV. And the logjam on both sides led to the Montreal Screwjob. It was hilarious Bret bringing that up on the Bret vs Shawn Documentary. Poor Shawn was squirming in his seat, he knew he'd been caught out. |
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Mar 16, 2016 21:56:19 GMT -5
No, I don't. He didn't even want to go to WCW. He felt he was being forced out by Shawn and Triple H.
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Post by k5 on Mar 16, 2016 22:12:32 GMT -5
I actually spoke to Bret about this. He said he'd never do it, even if Eric asked. Bret's main reason more than anything is his dad. He said doing something like that would disgust Stu. There ya go, case closed. sounds about right. bret hart grew up in the tradition of pro wrestling - to go against that would be to go against who he was integrally. it's the same reason i've refused to believe that the screwjob was even possibly worked. bret brought up that he was screwed around by mcmahon himself after owen's death - if he really was to take it that far, then we've been fed a complete lie by dozens of people about how bret hart's personality is. |
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Post by HHH316 on Mar 17, 2016 1:24:13 GMT -5
Even if Bischoff asked Bret to bring it, I honestly wouldn't think he would have. I just couldn't picture him doing it. He has too much character.
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