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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 14:22:32 GMT -5
What is his reasoning for being?
Why is he doing what he's doing?
I'm not trying to pick on the guy, but dude's like this are what frustrates me about modern WWE. His whole schtick is that he's just happy to be there. Am I missing something? I watched NXT, I am watching him now...Stuff like this is why I feel some newer/casual fans have trouble investing in the current product. Characters aren't fleshed out nearly as much as they should be. They're focusing way too much on the WORKRATE aspect of wrestling, and not nearly enough on the entertainment aspect. We can have great matches, but what's the point of they have no reason?
Remember that one RAW where half of the crew was missing and they let Luke Harper cut a promo on himself for once? Remember how everyone said that was awesome and we enjoyed it? Why can't we have more of that?
Like when AJ faced Kevin Owens. What was the point? They took several unnecessary bumps and for what? It advanced no story, it didn't build their characters. It was just a long, pointless match. When you take a look at CM Punk vs John Cena on RAW a few years ago, you can tell an immediate difference. There was a great story behind that, and they went in there and put on one of the best RAW matches in history. It takes a combination of story and wrestling for things to work out like that.
I think he's talented, regardless of me not being a fan, but I just don't understand why I'm supposed to root for this guy. And it's not just Sami. Same can be said for Apollo Crews and even AJ Styles. And AJ's one of my favorite wrestler's mind you, but looking only at his WWE stuff...who is this guy? Why should I cheer him?
Anyone agree or am I just a jaded, old wrestling fan at this point?
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Post by Sizzle on Apr 18, 2016 14:28:42 GMT -5
I agree. I like Zayn, but I agree. You nailed every point. Wrestling needs a good mix of wrestling and story, like said CM Punk vs. Cena match. The recent NXT call ups should have vignettes or at least promos to tell you who they are and why they're here. Not everyone has their reasons, but at least tell us who you are. The Wyatts are good examples of guys who have a purpose.
The whole workrate over story idea is part of the reason WWE is being heavily criticized in a negative light. People care more about a good match then a match that tells a story.
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Post by motleyspoisongun on Apr 18, 2016 14:29:34 GMT -5
with the hat he wears & the checkers on his tights (remind me of the old cabs), all i think of when i see him is a taxi cab driver lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 14:38:25 GMT -5
What is the obsession with gimmicks and characters? The guy is an underdog who loves to wrestle. He's obviously over as hell. He has direction. Hes doing just fine.
And I don't understand people who have to be against workrate. I'd rather watch a match that's going to be fantastic in the ring than need every match to be story driven.
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Post by Mox on Apr 18, 2016 14:44:05 GMT -5
Isn't his gimmick kind of "world traveled wrestler"? Like he's been around the block a hundred times and now he's finally at the big show. I know it's not much but that's how I view his character.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 14:45:12 GMT -5
I thought his gimmick was can't win a match to save his life.
Poor guy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 14:47:34 GMT -5
Not everyone can have a gimmick. There's only so many things that you can do that will actually work. You've got your golden boy's(Roman Reigns, Cena, Rock). Your crazy guys(Ambrose, Pillman, and Foley). Your snakes(Rollins, heel Orton, heel HHH). The badass that fights the system(D-Bry, Punk, SCSA). Lovable jerks(New Day, DX) And a bunch of weird gimmicks that somehow got guys championship reigns(Taker, Kane, Jeff Hardy, Goldust, Sting.) Salsa dancers, Matadors, vampires, dancing fat guys, gladiators, barbarians, and stereotypical black guys all failed. There have been a ton of gimmicks. Only a handful were successful. In order for guys like Neville, Sami, and KO to be successful, they have to be themselves. Not every character works well with guys who fight in a ring. All of those gimmicks I just named go to maybe 2-3 guys per era. Everyone else either sinks or swims without one. Just my opinion...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 14:48:44 GMT -5
What is the obsession with gimmicks and characters? The guy is an underdog who loves to wrestle. He's obviously over as hell. He has direction. Hes doing just fine. And I don't understand people who have to be against workrate. I'd rather watch a match that's going to be fantastic in the ring than need every match to be story driven. Because what they're doing now is clearly not working, and all of the biggest stars in wrestling history had great characters/gimmicks. Wrestling by itself has never drawn in America. It has always taken a combination great characters, story and wrestling. Just having a bunch of guys wrestling for no reason will not work. The Attitude era/nWo era is the biggest era in wrestling ever and it was focused much more on story rather than wrestling. Goldberg was the biggest draw in WCW ever and he's not exactly known for having great "workrate". The WWF title was traded around like a hot potato, yet it still felt x10 more prestigious then vs now. And Sami being over as hell is questionable. Maybe to certain types of fans, but he has yet to blow the roof off the arena everywhere he has gone. |
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Post by tylerbreezee on Apr 18, 2016 14:52:07 GMT -5
What is Kevin Owens gimmick? What is AJ Styles, Seth Rollins, Cesaros, Sheamus, etc? A lot of these guys are just dudes lol Sure they have nicknames but they're not gimmicks. Why are you specifically picking out Sami Zayn?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 14:54:25 GMT -5
What is Kevin Owens gimmick? What is AJ Styles, Seth Rollins, Cesaros, Sheamus, etc? A lot of these guys are just dudes lol Sure they have nicknames but they're not gimmicks. Why are you specifically picking out Sami Zayn? I mentioned AJ. Sami I mentioned specifically because he's one of the newer members of the roster, and the biggest "just happy to be there" kind of guy. It can be said for a lot of guys, honestly. |
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Post by Mox on Apr 18, 2016 14:55:44 GMT -5
Zayn is just thankful they didn't put a stupid cape on him when he made the main roster. RIP Neville.
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Post by Sizzle on Apr 18, 2016 14:57:19 GMT -5
Zayn is just thankful they didn't put a stupid cape on him when he made the main roster. RIP Neville. Neville would have been less popular without that cape, though. |
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Post by tylerbreezee on Apr 18, 2016 14:59:05 GMT -5
What is Kevin Owens gimmick? What is AJ Styles, Seth Rollins, Cesaros, Sheamus, etc? A lot of these guys are just dudes lol Sure they have nicknames but they're not gimmicks. Why are you specifically picking out Sami Zayn? I mentioned AJ. Sami I mentioned specifically because he's one of the newer members of the roster, and the biggest "just happy to be there" kind of guy. It can be said for a lot of guys, honestly. Writers probably just want it to seem more realistic. That's really all I can come up with as to why a lot of guys are like that |
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Post by Mox on Apr 18, 2016 14:59:07 GMT -5
Zayn is just thankful they didn't put a stupid cape on him when he made the main roster. RIP Neville. Neville would have been less popular without that cape, though. Agreed. He had very little chance to begin with. WWE's plan: Sink or swim. Unfortunately a lot of guys sink with a plan like that. |
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Post by Sizzle on Apr 18, 2016 15:00:20 GMT -5
Neville would have been less popular without that cape, though. Agreed. He had very little chance to begin with. WWE's plan: Sink or swim. Unfortunately a lot of guys sink with a plan like that. He never had a real character or point. Even in NXT he was just the British flying guy. |
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Post by tiny04 on Apr 18, 2016 15:02:18 GMT -5
Not everyone needs a gimmick. I always find that my favourite wrestlers are basically just their normal self, but turned up.
Sami fits that. He's just a normal guy, who is also a world travelled wrestler. He's a proper underdog character who the crowd will get behind like they did with Daniel Bryan.
He's been booked very well so far and I have high hopes for his future.
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Post by E N I G M A on Apr 18, 2016 15:13:06 GMT -5
He's the heart and soul of NXT, Maggle!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 15:17:54 GMT -5
I just get Zayn is being himself and loves Ska music. Good enough for me.
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Post by Mox on Apr 18, 2016 15:19:49 GMT -5
I just get Zayn is being himself and loves Ska music. Good enough for me. The first skanking WWE Champion? Maybe?? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 15:25:13 GMT -5
I just get Zayn is being himself and loves Ska music. Good enough for me. The first skanking WWE Champion? Maybe?? He very well could be! |
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