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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 7:15:35 GMT -5
Well, what WERE you trying to say? You obviously meant to say something. The security guard had a gun and exchanged gunfire with the shooter. It didn't seem to help. What is INSANE is that this guy, who had been investigated twice for terrorist ties, still can just go and buy an automatic weapon. NOBODY in the U.S. has any need to be buying automatic weapons. Yet, so we can be proud of our "freedom", we let horrible hateful losers arm themselves and hurt others, over and over again. Gun Free Zones dont work. You know what makes gun free zones not work? Guns
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Post by Jack Specific on Jun 13, 2016 7:26:30 GMT -5
Why, why, why in the 21st century are people still being persecuted for their sexuality, skin colour or religion? This has to stop. These poor people went to what they thought was a safe haven for gay men - and some bigot walks in and guns them down. It's absolutely vile. Because unfortunately the Human Race as a whole has not evolved out the violent tendencies and hatred. Our species has not evolved far enough to realize that we are all one race, the Human Race, despite the color of our skin, the nation we are born, the sexual orientation that we are, etc. Human beings still have that instinct of "if you are not one of us, we hate you and want you gone from this world". One day we will get there, I know we will, and we are on our way to a fully peaceful race, but we are just not there yet... and that's if we survive long enough as the way we are now. Look back in time throughout history and you can clearly see that we are getting less and less violent. Always have hope for our future generations. JS
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Post by Word™ on Jun 13, 2016 7:44:42 GMT -5
There will never be total peace.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 7:59:23 GMT -5
I don't think that being gay is right, as I was raised a Southern Baptist, but killing a mass amount of people is not the way to go. I disagree with a lot of things in this world but I don't want to kill people in spite of it. I feel really bad for those victims and their families, I'm sure they've went through enough as it is having to deal with their child/siblings life choices and then this happens? It's absolutely horrible. No man hold's the right to control who lives and who doesn't. 50 people were robbed of their lives and it's truly a sad time for the USA.
And I'm sure this will cause more stir ups in the gun control world. You can make all guns disappear right now and it's still not going to stop crazy people from killing others. If someone wants to take lives, they will find the means to do so.
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Post by K.O.S.S. on Jun 13, 2016 8:52:24 GMT -5
Very tragic.
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Post by Kollector_Kombat on Jun 13, 2016 8:55:48 GMT -5
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Post by rowdy1971 on Jun 13, 2016 9:19:01 GMT -5
Totally senseless and horrible. My heart goes out to them all.
Go ahead and ban guns. The bad guys will still be able to get them while we sit there and watch.
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Post by Dex on Jun 13, 2016 9:24:39 GMT -5
No civilian should have the right to buy automatic weapons. That's all I have to say. Everyone acts like banning guns is going to do something. Yet they happen to forget the core concept of what a criminal is, that they do not obey our laws.
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Post by Word™ on Jun 13, 2016 9:40:01 GMT -5
I'm trying to piece together how one man with one assault rifle can kill 49 people.
Why when this story first broke were there multiple sources (once again) reporting multiple shooters.. How is this always something that happens in the wake of a tragic terrorist attack?
I just find it hard to believe that one man with one weapon was able to kill so many people while injuring just as many more.
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Post by RybackV1 on Jun 13, 2016 9:52:48 GMT -5
I don't care what kind of club it is. Gay, straight whatever. No group of innocent people deserve their lives to end in this manner. Getting really sick of these young disturbed minds somehow getting ahold of guns and using them in the worst way possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 10:08:38 GMT -5
No civilian should have the right to buy automatic weapons. That's all I have to say. Everyone acts like banning guns is going to do something. Yet they happen to forget the core concept of what a criminal is, that they do not obey our laws. You cant deny that stricter laws will at least help
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Post by Word™ on Jun 13, 2016 10:26:46 GMT -5
Everyone acts like banning guns is going to do something. Yet they happen to forget the core concept of what a criminal is, that they do not obey our laws. You cant deny that stricter laws will at least help You can though. Gun free zones, and places with strict gun laws still have massive gun violence. Why? Because people that want to kill will find a way to kill.. There are already millions, upon millions, UPON MILLIONS of guns illegally sold on the black market.. Are you trying to tell me that someone that wants to kill others will hit the roadblock of some gun law and just throw his hands in the air giving up his goal? Probably not man..
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Post by HR2X on Jun 13, 2016 10:43:05 GMT -5
No civilian should have the right to buy automatic weapons. That's all I have to say. Select fire, or full auto weapons have been HEAVILY regulated since 1934. After 1986 you cannot buy a newly manufactured select fire weapon (they're restricted to LE Agencies and MIL) Everyone acts like banning guns is going to do something. Yet they happen to forget the core concept of what a criminal is, that they do not obey our laws. You cant deny that stricter laws will at least help Actually, you can. The facts are there. The Clinton 94 ban did nothing to combat gun violence.. hell, when it expired, crime went down. States like NY and CA have strict gun laws and they still have shootings daily. Oh, and lets not start on Chicago...
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Post by Adam on Jun 13, 2016 11:11:54 GMT -5
Count down to the conspiracy theory claims in 3...2...1...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 11:16:05 GMT -5
Some of my thoughts:
- This is a hideous crime, and I feel absolutely awful for everyone affected by it. - The REAL problem here isn't much to do with gun control as it is to do with a religion that teaches its followers to persecute and kill gays (among others). The sooner people STOP ignorantly turning a blind eye to how violent Islam is in its teachings, the sooner it can get a reformation. It is absolutely, the biggest threat to freedom and safety in the world. - If people want to kill other people, they will with or without guns. Though I don't think assault rifles or military weapons should be available for average civilians. Banning guns altogether is NOT the answer.
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Post by Tim of thee on Jun 13, 2016 11:34:05 GMT -5
No civilian should have the right to buy automatic weapons. That's all I have to say. Select fire, or full auto weapons have been HEAVILY regulated since 1934. After 1986 you cannot buy a newly manufactured select fire weapon (they're restricted to LE Agencies and MIL) You cant deny that stricter laws will at least help Actually, you can. The facts are there. The Clinton 94 ban did nothing to combat gun violence.. hell, when it expired, crime went down. States like NY and CA have strict gun laws and they still have shootings daily. Oh, and lets not start on Chicago... I feel like we combat the same participants on this forum regarding our Second Amendment rights and yet they still believe the same thing.
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Post by 0,Y on Jun 13, 2016 11:53:56 GMT -5
You cant deny that stricter laws will at least help You can though. Gun free zones, and places with strict gun laws still have massive gun violence. Why? Because people that want to kill will find a way to kill.. There are already millions, upon millions, UPON MILLIONS of guns illegally sold on the black market.. Are you trying to tell me that someone that wants to kill others will hit the roadblock of some gun law and just throw his hands in the air giving up his goal?
Probably not man..
At this point it's a broken system. The point of no return was passed several decades ago if not when the 2nd amendment was created. You can't deny that countries with strict gun laws have a hell of a lot less gun violence than the US. So gun control does work if done right.
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Post by Tim of thee on Jun 13, 2016 12:21:41 GMT -5
You can though. Gun free zones, and places with strict gun laws still have massive gun violence. Why? Because people that want to kill will find a way to kill.. There are already millions, upon millions, UPON MILLIONS of guns illegally sold on the black market.. Are you trying to tell me that someone that wants to kill others will hit the roadblock of some gun law and just throw his hands in the air giving up his goal?
Probably not man..
At this point it's a broken system. The point of no return was passed several decades ago if not when the 2nd amendment was created. You can't deny that countries with strict gun laws have a hell of a lot less gun violence than the US. So gun control does work if done right. Different culture. Different foundation to build on. You cannot copy and paste these things because life in all in randomness is not predictable.
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Post by 0,Y on Jun 13, 2016 12:37:07 GMT -5
At this point it's a broken system. The point of no return was passed several decades ago if not when the 2nd amendment was created. You can't deny that countries with strict gun laws have a hell of a lot less gun violence than the US. So gun control does work if done right. Different culture. Different foundation to build on. You cannot copy and paste these things because life in all in randomness is not predictable. I didn't copy and paste anything. The first point was a personal opinion and the second was an undeniable fact. The only reason the US has an enourmous amount of gun violence in relation to other countries is the fact that guns are so easily (again in relation to other countries) available.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 12:46:39 GMT -5
You cant deny that stricter laws will at least help You can though. Gun free zones, and places with strict gun laws still have massive gun violence. Why? Because people that want to kill will find a way to kill.. There are already millions, upon millions, UPON MILLIONS of guns illegally sold on the black market.. Are you trying to tell me that someone that wants to kill others will hit the roadblock of some gun law and just throw his hands in the air giving up his goal? Probably not man.. This is a conversation that neither of us will budge on, so im stepping out . Facts are different on each side of the fence, so this argument is pointless.
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