Mass shooting in Orlando gay club.

I did get that. Copy and paste as in universally transfer something not as in ctrl + c & ctrl + v
My points still stand.

Well, what is your solution to this violence? Shrug your shoulders and move on?

We don't live in the 1700's any more, either. Are there any other Amendments you feel strongly about, or do you just love them there guns?

"Stricter laws & banning guns will stop gun violence"

Well since breaking & entering and theft are illegal, how bout you open your front and back doors to your house and go on vacation for a week. I mean, its illegal right so all your stuff will be there when you get home.

Thas not the point. 



even if you take alllll the guns away someone is going to have guns....you know who?  criminals.
just in case you didn't know, criminals dont follow laws.

Full out bans do not work. Look at Prohibition.. hell, they banned most firearms (and destroyed almost all of them) in the UK and there is still a tremendous amount of violence. Yes, it's not guns, but violent crime is VERY high per capita. Evil will always exist. Do I think the systems are flawed? absolutely. Are there things that we can fix? absolutely. Will they fix every problem? not at all. From the early reports, the guy was a valid license holder of not only a security license, but a concealed carry license. Part of the blame for this needs to go on the FBI who has apparently suspected him of being an ISIS sympathizer in the past, yet still allowed him to purchase firearms. (don't start any of that "gun show loophole" bullcrap because the FBI was clear in saying that the guns were purchased legally in the last few weeks.. meaning that he did a NICS check.. which goes through the FBI) The other portion of this has to go on the media.. look at the front page of CNN right now. Look at all the attention we're giving him.. this breeds copy cats. Finally, the Executive branch of the US has some blame in this, the US looks weak, we pulled out of the Middle East and caused it to become unstable. This is how ISIS was born. Had we not pulled out and instituted a new gov't there, we may have never had these issues.

I'm not taking the blame away from that thing you referred to as a human being.. there are other factors though.

I didn't direct that at you bro, it was just a generalized statement. I also had not read your post when I posted



but to the readily available statement above this, it's the people killing. The problem is the PEOPLE. P-E-O-P-L-E. 

People kill people based off choices they make. Individual choices. A gun didn't tell that guy to go kill people. It was in his mind. You can't make laws and amendments to fix someone's mindset. If he hadn't had a gun, it could've been a bomb. A rocket launcher. He could've driven a bus through the building. For God's sake, 9/11 consisted of boxcutters, zip ties, and airplanes. If people want to commit an act of terror, they will by any means necessary. I have access to guns and have never shot a person, nor do I ever intend to. BUT if someone tries to break into my house and harm me or my family, I can use my gun to protect my family because as an American I have a RIGHT TO. I'm sick and tired of people wanting to slowly strip away rights that made this country come to so great. 

- Stricter laws on civilians gun rights (much more extensive background checks, limits on ammunition, etc.)
- A lot more focus from authorities on the illegal trading of weapons. They know it happens, so why not try to find out how and make an attempt to stop it?

Killers are killers.